Masturbation a Sin ? :confused:

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In all things, God works for the good of those who love Him. This is especially true of repentant masturbators.
 
Faithdancer said:
You don’t understand the concept of an eternal God, do you?
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Well, to add to this, I don’t know if the kingdom is “at hand” anymore. I’m fairly certain the Church sees it inaugurated with his Crucifixion and Resurrection, or at least at Pentecost. We are already in the kingdom of God. Christ is already reigning as king. The fullness of this will be revealed at the end time according to Catholic teaching, true, but the kingdom is here and now.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
…are you having a conversation with yourself?
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Just to elaborate a little more:
Making assertions does not appeal to a person who reflexively rejects them before consideration.
Part of having a conversation is to question the underlying erroneous assumptions.
Hence the questions:

Are nocturnal emissions sinful?
What is morality?
Morality is an evaluation of human acts, not a list of prohibitions. The poster reflexively assumes that Catholics will condemn nocturnal emissions because they sorta look like masturbation.
False.

Since we are evaluating human acts, what is an act?
And act involves the will. Something that happens when a person is essentially unconscious cannot be a willed act.

So the answer to the poster’s dilemma is to consider what it is she is debating, rather than to reflexively reject straw man propositions based on false assumptions.

It’s an effort to bring the poster to think rather than emote.
 
I get all that…I was half joking, just because it looked like you were answering your own question.
 
NM505StKate said:
Ever thought that Yeshua was talking about the current time he was living in and not years in the future?
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No, I don’t think so:

“Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18)
 
NM505StKate said:
Ever thought that Yeshua was talking about the current time he was living in and not years in the future?
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Kate, this isn’t an attack or anything, but I do find it really, really bizarre that you’re an atheist who insists on using very specific names for God besides the ones commonly used in modern English.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Kate, this isn’t an attack or anything, but I do find it really, really bizarre that you’re an atheist who insists on using very specific names for God besides the ones commonly used in modern English.
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I noticed that too. It’s the biblical exegesis that really needs work, though. But that’s understandable since few atheists learn systematic theology…or what Christ’s hypostatic union entails, in this case.

I think many atheists here are actually seeking God, but aren’t ready to humble themselves before Him yet.
 
goout said:
“Years” mean nothing to God. God is outside time.
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Pope Francis said Catholics must realize: “We are not living an era of change but a change of era.”

“Before the problems of the church it is not useful to search for solutions in conservatism or fundamentalism, in the restoration of obsolete conduct and forms that no longer have the capacity of being significant culturally,” the pontiff said at one point during his remarks.

“Christian doctrine is not a closed system incapable of generating questions, doubts, interrogatives — but is alive, knows being unsettled, enlivened,” said the pope. “It has a face that is not rigid, it has a body that moves and grows, it has a soft flesh: it is called Jesus Christ.”

aleteia.org/blogs/deacon-greg-kandra/pope-francis-we-are-not-living-an-era-of-change-but-a-change-of-era
 
Cimachol said:
No, I don’t think so:

“Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18)
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"Not taking risks, please, no… prudence…’ ‘Obeying all the commandments, all of them…’ Yes, it’s true, but this paralyzes you too, it makes you forget so many graces received, it takes away memory, it takes away hope, because it doesn’t allow you to go forward. And the present of a Christian, of such a Christian, is like when one goes along the street and an unexpected rain comes, and the garment is not so good and the fabric shrinks… Confined souls… This is cowardliness: this is the sin against memory, courage, patience, and hope.”
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Pope Francis
romereports.com/2017/01/27/pope-in-santa-marta-explains-the-sins-that-paralyze-christians
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The superior general of the Society of Jesus has said that all Church doctrine must be subject to discernment.
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In an interview with a Swiss journalist, Father Arturo Sosa Abascal said that the words of Jesus, too, must be weighed in their “historical context,” taking into account the culture in which Jesus lived and the human limitations of the men who wrote the Gospels.
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catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=30831
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National Catholic Register Commentary: According to the logic of the Maltese bishops and their defenders, in the area of sexuality subjective conscience can annul universal moral principles.
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ncregister.com/daily-news/amoris-laetitia-malta-and-conscience
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Cimachol said:
No, I don’t think so:

“Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18)
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So follow the old laws? Yeshua says it right that that not the smallest letter or part of the letter should change. Nothing in this passage says not to follow the old laws.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Kate, this isn’t an attack or anything, but I do find it really, really bizarre that you’re an atheist who insists on using very specific names for God besides the ones commonly used in modern English.
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I find it more accurate imo. I could use El Elohim.
 
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