Masturbation: NOT A SIN

[Methodi]

When what you think is in direct opposition with what the Church teaches…well, friend, you’re entitled to your opinion and it’s worth only that…one man’s opinion vs.God’s revelation. I’m going with God’s revelation.

“Was in the cards” implies predestination. Bzzzzt. Wrong. God’s foreknowledge is not the the same thing as predestination.

God knows what we are gonna do even before we do it, when God created this world, from the beginning he knew we would be here, each of us, U people dont get it, God is not out to get us, all he asks is that we try,when he took a look at the world he sent a savior cause he knew we would need one.God knows man is weak & He also knows our hearts. Most catholics do have a problem with the church teachings, most catholics say U cant live by them, maybe thats why only about 20% of catholics across the country are practicing at all,in Europe its even less. I am one of the 20% who is trying, I fail all the time, but at least i am trying, Thats all God expects.Jesus Was the only perfect person God ever created, there will never be another perfect personGod Bless us One & all cause we sure do need it.Where do I get my information, I ask Catholics, I am like a poll taker. Thee are definitely a lot of issues with the catholic Church that people dont understand, God is a Mystery, we will never know the true answers to a lot of things till we die

 

[Methodi]

These are the comments of someone who wants to twist God to their will because they don’t want to do God’s will.
By the way the Church has never made an error in matters of faith and morals as you indicated in an earlier thread, although I would like you to support your claim by evidence so we can see what specifically you are talking about.

I am the great twister, I think You people on here twist things way more than I do, I been attending Church for many many years, I must have learned something along the way

 

[Methodi]

Ok I am starting to think that you aren’t really paying attention to what I am writing.

**Sex in marriage is for uniting a husband and wife (giving one’s self to the other, which will inevitably result in some pleasure), and possibly creating new life. God created sex to unite a husband and wife and to create children. **

I suggest you talk to your priest to get a better understanding of why we have sexual drives in the first place, or read a book. We are not mere animals that can’t control ourselves. We are human beings created in the image of God. Lots of people are treating sex like nothing because they either don’t know or don’t care about God’s Word. Jesus came to help us to overcome sin so we could be saved in the end just like He overcame death after the crucifixion. Sin=death. Jesus believes we are much stronger than we give ourselves credit for.

When people have sex their brains release Oxytocin which is a “trust” hormone as some people like to call it. It brings the two people together. God gave us sexuality for marriage. For marriage. I am a woman who has a VERY filthy past. Do I still masturbate as much as I use to? I don’t even masturbate at all! And trust me, I did it a lot. Can I not live without “releasing the tension?” I’m telling you, once you make it a HABIT to stop, it becomes extremely easy to avoid touching yourself. All I do is think of other things when dirty thoughts start to trail their way into my head, or start saying a prayer. Dwelling on them is unhealthy and wont bring you closer to God.

How do you think your actions now are going to affect your future marriage? What if your wife can’t please you the way your hand can? What if you end up resorting to touching yourself when your wife isn’t around because what she does doesn’t satisfy you? Masturbation causes you to only think about what YOU can get out of it. Also, people tend to think of other people as sex objects when they masturbate. How does that build up another person, how is that respecting another person? Love is a giving action not a “what can I get” type deal. It wont help your future wife and it’s a slap in God’s face to think that sex was meant for anything else He designed it for. He wants you to project those sexual urges towards your wife, but in a healthy, loving way. If you think oral sex is wrong, don’t do it. But as a Catholic, you are required to abide by the Church’s teaching whether you agree with it or not.

Please, to stop masturbating is truly for your benefit and your future wife’s. You are not helpless without it. You are being lied to by that ugly red thing that the only way to control your sexual urges is to masturbate. It’s a lieeee! If only you knew my past you would be very astounded as to how I have been able to control myself the way the Church and God really wants me to. I’m very far from perfect but seriously, this stuff ain’t as hard as you think it is. With God everything is possible, and perfectly wonderful!

I been married for 35 yrs. Yes supposedly all things are possible with God, But it doesnt always seem that way, & I dont see where oral sex fits into mariage, thats why I say if oral sex is ok just for the pleasure of it then why not pleasure for all let them masturbate with no sin attached. Oral sex to me is a pure animal act& I know people who would never lower themselves to do it, & thats why in some cases a partner will cheat cause thay will go out to find someone who will do that

 

[thistle]

I am the great twister, I think You people on here twist things way more than I do, I been attending Church for many many years, I must have learned something along the way

You made the assertion that the Church has made errors. Why are you not able to back up your claim by telling us what errors the Church has made and the evidence to support it??

 

[musicgal4jesus]

I been married for 35 yrs. Yes supposedly all things are possible with God, But it doesnt always seem that way, & I dont see where oral sex fits into mariage, thats why I say if oral sex is ok just for the pleasure of it then why not pleasure for all let them masturbate with no sin attached. Oral sex to me is a pure animal act& I know people who would never lower themselves to do it, & thats why in some cases a partner will cheat cause thay will go out to find someone who will do that

We’ve already said that oral sex fits into marraige only as foreplay, and that it’s not okay “just for the pleasure of it.” But I’ll repeat it if you’d like. Just because some people “would never lower themselves to do it” doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I mean, following that logic, I know a lot of people who would never lower themselves by masturbating. I don’t see what cheating has to do with this discussion exactly…

 

[Methodi]

We’ve already said that oral sex fits into marraige only as foreplay, and that it’s not okay “just for the pleasure of it.” But I’ll repeat it if you’d like. Just because some people “would never lower themselves to do it” doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I mean, following that logic, I know a lot of people who would never lower themselves by masturbating. I don’t see what cheating has to do with this discussion exactly…

Masturbation isn`t wrong either

 

[musicgal4jesus]

Masturbation isn`t wrong either

Yes, it is! The Church has explicity said so. And the Church is always right in matters of faith and morals and doctrine.

 

[Methodi]

Yes, it is! The Church has explicity said so. And the Church is always right in matters of faith and morals and doctrine.

You seem Like a very nice person, I commend You for defending the faith, I was once like you, I didnt want to hear anything negative about my church, but some where along the way I lost some momentum, I congratulate you & others who steadfast defend their faith. Things have happened in my life to make me a little skeptical, but I never want to entirely lose my faith, I know its most important thing we have going for us. Over the years from hearing different things from different priests regarding certain matters, It can become confusing. One says one thing, one says another. Sometimes it`s hard to know what to believe.

 

[musicgal4jesus]

You seem Like a very nice person, I commend You for defending the faith, I was once like you, I didnt want to hear anything negative about my church, but some where along the way I lost some momentum, I congratulate you & others who steadfast defend their faith. Things have happened in my life to make me a little skeptical, but I never want to entirely lose my faith, I know its most important thing we have going for us. Over the years from hearing different things from different priests regarding certain matters, It can become confusing. One says one thing, one says another. Sometimes it`s hard to know what to believe.

I agree, which is why I’m glad I have the Church here to guide me!

 

[twf]

Methodi

I feel that oral sex shouldnt be permitted at all, to me its perverse, I dont see how it could be pleasing to God, so if married couples can do that according to the church, so then single people should be able to masturbate, at least they wont be bringing children into the world out of wedlock

With all due respect, did you even read my post? I clearly explained how oral sex as FOREPLAY is nothing like masturbation. With masturbation, selfish sexual pleasure is the ONLY end…there is no attempt at unity, no attempt at openess to life…it is intrinsically perverse. Oral sex BY ITSELF is also intrinsically perverse. Oral sex with the intention of completing the act with intercourse is a totally different matter…it simply allows some married men and women to more fully and comfortably give theirself to the other…the end is always unity, giving of one’s self, and openess to life. Please read my first post again. BTW - you have a right to personally feel that oral sex is always perverse…but oral sex as foreplay and oral sex as an ends to itself are clearly two different ball games.

 

[Methodi]

Methodi

With all due respect, did you even read my post? I clearly explained how oral sex as FOREPLAY is nothing like masturbation. With masturbation, selfish sexual pleasure is the ONLY end…there is no attempt at unity, no attempt at openess to life…it is intrinsically perverse. Oral sex BY ITSELF is also intrinsically perverse. Oral sex with the intention of completing the act with intercourse is a totally different matter…it simply allows some married men and women to more fully and comfortably give theirself to the other…the end is always unity, giving of one’s self, and openess to life. Please read my first post again. BTW - you have a right to personally feel that oral sex is always perverse…but oral sex as foreplay and oral sex as an ends to itself are clearly two different ball games.

It always horrified me that people do oral sex & then kiss their children, I dont mean right after the act, the fact that they do it at anytime after.Also where does it say oral sex is permitted actually I am a Long time catholic & have never heard of this, to me foreplay yes, but not oral foreplay

 

[MarieCB]

It always horrified me that people do oral sex & then kiss their children, I dont mean right after the act, the fact that they do it at anytime after.Also where does it say oral sex is permitted actually I am a Long time catholic & have never heard of this, to me foreplay yes, but not oral foreplay

I even touch my kids with the same hands that I use to wash my bum (among other things. like sex!) And my breasts have been both sexual and for breastfeeding. And men urinate with the same organ that they put inside their wives.

While I’ve not known many people who were bothered by the first, I did know a woman who made everyone wash their hands and wrists with antibacterial hand sanitizer before they touched her child, even after he was a toddler, because they might have used the toilet and not sufficiently washed.

I’ve known a number of people who have been horrified at breastfeeding because breasts are used sexually and because oxytocin is released during both breastfeeding and orgasm.

Although I have to admit that thinking too much about the third one squicks me out a little.

 

[Methodi]

I even touch my kids with the same hands that I use to wash my bum (among other things. like sex!) And my breasts have been both sexual and for breastfeeding. And men urinate with the same organ that they put inside their wives.

While I’ve not known many people who were bothered by the first, I did know a woman who made everyone wash their hands and wrists with antibacterial hand sanitizer before they touched her child, even after he was a toddler, because they might have used the toilet and not sufficiently washed.

I’ve known a number of people who have been horrified at breastfeeding because breasts are used sexually and because oxytocin is released during both breastfeeding and orgasm.

Although I have to admit that thinking too much about the third one squicks me out a little.

we are talking about a whole different thing, we are talking about organs that we excrete waste out of & people putting their mouthes on them

 

[MarieCB]

we are talking about a whole different thing, we are talking about organs that we excrete waste out of & people putting their mouthes on them

If something is so dirty that it can’t go in my mouth, it’s not going near my genitals. Vaginal infections are not a lot of fun.

 

[lumenorientale]

You seem Like a very nice person, I commend You for defending the faith, I was once like you, I didnt want to hear anything negative about my church, but some where along the way I lost some momentum, I congratulate you & others who steadfast defend their faith. Things have happened in my life to make me a little skeptical, but I never want to entirely lose my faith, I know its most important thing we have going for us. Over the years from hearing different things from different priests regarding certain matters, It can become confusing. One says one thing, one says another. Sometimes it`s hard to know what to believe.

It is confusing, when those who are supposed to be in authority are not consistently teaching the truth. And things can happen in our lives that become a heavy cross to bear. But the Lord is there to help us carry our burdens.

 

[thistle]

You seem Like a very nice person, I commend You for defending the faith, I was once like you, I didnt want to hear anything negative about my church, but some where along the way I lost some momentum, I congratulate you & others who steadfast defend their faith. Things have happened in my life to make me a little skeptical, but I never want to entirely lose my faith, I know its most important thing we have going for us. Over the years from hearing different things from different priests regarding certain matters, It can become confusing. One says one thing, one says another. Sometimes it`s hard to know what to believe.

You are all hot air.
We have told you the Church cannot make errors in matters of faith and morals. You made the claim that the Church had made errors but still have failed to support your claim by telling what these errors are and how such a claim is supported.
By the way, some priests get it wrong but that is not the Church being wrong. If you want to know what the Church teachings are then read the CCC which contains all of them (doctrine and discipline).

 

[Methodi]

You are all hot air.
We have told you the Church cannot make errors in matters of faith and morals. You made the claim that the Church had made errors but still have failed to support your claim by telling what these errors are and how such a claim is supported.
By the way, some priests get it wrong but that is not the Church being wrong. If you want to know what the Church teachings are then read the CCC which contains all of them (doctrine and discipline).

Why dont U give it up, ur more full of hot air than I am,when I said the church makes errors, I mean just what i wrote in the post your looking at,when the priest tells me something, I should abide by what he says right,& truthfully there are some changes that the church made that riled a lot of people but I am not going ito it, I have listened to many stories from people over the years, & I am not a theologian like yourself
,truthfully they too just interpret the bible to what they think is means

 

[thistle]

Why dont U give it up, ur more full of hot air than I am,when I said the church makes errors, I mean just what i wrote in the post your looking at,when the priest tells me something, I should abide by what he says right,& truthfully there are some changes that the church made that riled a lot of people but I am not going ito it, I have listened to many stories from people over the years, & I am not a theologian like yourself
,truthfully they too just interpret the bible to what they think is means

Okay so now you admit the Church has not made errors.
Also if you have doubts about what a priest tells you then check the Church teachings (CCC). Priests can be wrong but the Church cannot.

 

[Methodi]

Okay so now you admit the Church has not made errors.
Also if you have doubts about what a priest tells you then check the Church teachings (CCC). Priests can be wrong but the Church cannot.

I wouldnt say the church never made errors, theres a lot we dont know & never will know, the church admits it has faults
,church was governed my popes for 2000 years, there were some of them there for power
some of the popes weren`t very good they could have taught error

 

[Wowbagger]

I’m not reading the rest of this topic, because bad spelling and grammar is my kryptonite. However…

The Catholic Church (of course, back then, we were simply the Christian Church, because ya’ll Protestants hadn’t run off and tried to steal our name yet) has had some really awful Popes. Alexander VI comes to mind (Popes, as a rule, should not catch syphillis while Pope). The Church is and always has been half-full of bad, bad men and women, and, in the words of Flannery O’Connor, “You’ll suffer as much from the Church as for it.”

However, the Church as a corporate body of bishops is led unerringly by the Holy Spirit. Though the individuals who comprise the Church, from the terrible Alexander VI right up to the great John Paul II, are all flawed and sinful men (and women), the Church has never taught error under its magisterial authority. Even Pope Alexander avoided that. If the fact that Pope Alexander and some of his late-medieval ilk didn’t destroy the Church isn’t proof of our divine leadership, I don’t know what is.