Masturbation: NOT A SIN

[Methodi]

Your logic isn’t panning out. So you have a compunction against married people orally stimulating each other before actual intercourse, but you are okay with single people to manual stimulate themselves? And it should be okay with God and His Church? And your reasons are that less children will be born out of wedlock?

Now, you didn’t answer my original question. How would masturbation solve the problem of sexual activity outside of marriage, when it only opens the door to lust–given that one must think lustful thoughts in order to acheive the desired effect of the activity, and those thoughts don’t just POOF–go away after orgasm?

I dont think God cares if we masturbate, he has more things to worry about. Masturbation isn`t going away

 

[CWBetts]

I dont think God cares if we masturbate, he has more things to worry about. Masturbation isn`t going away

Ummm…It really does not matter waht any of us think. The Church (you know, the Pillar of Truth) says it is a grave matter, and if we do it with full knowledge and consent, it is a mortal sin. So, yeah, I’m gonna have to go aginst you on this one.

 

[Methodi]

Ummm…It really does not matter waht any of us think. The Church (you know, the Pillar of Truth) says it is a grave matter, and if we do it with full knowledge and consent, it is a mortal sin. So, yeah, I’m gonna have to go aginst you on this one.

The Church is sometime in error, they could be wrong about it, sorry thats the way I feel, small children masturbate teens do big time & a lot of people do it throughout their whole lives even tho they are catholic & even many married people do it.
We have the ten commandments, we know what they are, the church has inserted all these things under the ten commandments, the commandments are plain to understand, I dont think all these sub sins should be under them. I also think God is more concerned with the way we love & treat one another , rather than our personal sins

 

[Methodi]

Ummm…It really does not matter waht any of us think. The Church (you know, the Pillar of Truth) says it is a grave matter, and if we do it with full knowledge and consent, it is a mortal sin. So, yeah, I’m gonna have to go aginst you on this one.

Adam & eve eating the forbidden fruit was in the cards, God knew from the beginning they would do that

 

[Lucky7]

Ummm…It really does not matter waht any of us think. The Church (you know, the Pillar of Truth) says it is a grave matter, and if we do it with full knowledge and consent, it is a mortal sin. So, yeah, I’m gonna have to go aginst you on this one.

I think it is also important to point out that the catechism also states:

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

 

[jenlovesyu]

Adam & eve eating the forbidden fruit was in the cards, God knew from the beginning they would do that

Yeah but do you think He was happy about that? He still banished them from the Garden of Eden.

 

[Methodi]

I think it is also important to point out that the catechism also states:

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

Good Post Lucky

 

[musicgal4jesus]

The Church is sometime in error, they could be wrong about it, sorry thats the way I feel, small children masturbate teens do big time & a lot of people do it throughout their whole lives even tho they are catholic & even many married people do it.
We have the ten commandments, we know what they are, the church has inserted all these things under the ten commandments, the commandments are plain to understand, I dont think all these sub sins should be under them. I also think God is more concerned with the way we love & treat one another , rather than our personal sins

Just because “many people do it” doesn’t mean it’s right. Do you think abortion is right, because many people have them?

Also, you said the Church is sometimes in error. The humans in the Church can (and do) err, but the Church is never wrong in the matters of faith and morals.

 

[Methodi]

Just because “many people do it” doesn’t mean it’s right. Do you think abortion is right, because many people have them?

Also, you said the Church is sometimes in error. The humans in the Church can (and do) err, but the Church is never wrong in the matters of faith and morals.

I am against abortion, I think it`s better for a couple to use condoms or other means of birth control, rather than to conceive & then abort

 

[musicgal4jesus]

I am against abortion, I think it`s better for a couple to use condoms or other means of birth control, rather than to conceive & then abort

Okay, sorry if I’m hijacking the thread… anyway, that too goes directly against church teachings. I’m trying to find a charitable way to say this, but you can’t say “I’m a good Catholic” and then turn around and say “but I don’t follow the church on x important issues.” I’m sorry, it just doesn’t work. It’s called cafeteria Catholicism.

 

[Methodi]

Okay, sorry if I’m hijacking the thread… anyway, that too goes directly against church teachings. I’m trying to find a charitable way to say this, but you can’t say “I’m a good Catholic” and then turn around and say “but I don’t follow the church on x important issues.” I’m sorry, it just doesn’t work. It’s called cafeteria Catholicism.

You know nothing about me, you have no clue about my CATHOLICITY, actually I do follow the teachings of the church, I do what I have to do that is necessary for my salvation. I know all about cafeteria catholics, I dont think I am one of them. As a mortal I am expressing my feelings & beliefs, but the church which is my guide gives me the spiritual view which I must abide by, I can still have my own opinion & still live by the rules of the church, trust me I am not the only catholic who is this way

 

[Muckdog]

Wow! Never thought I would read through four pages on masturbation.

There are very strong arguments for and against masturbation which deserve serious consideration. I view any sexual topic from the perspectives of; 1: Is it intimate love? and 2: Is it abusive?.

I fear there are increasing numbers of people who supplant Intimacy with sex. This saddly removes us from the intimacy which, I feel, is our fundamental craving and desire. Disregarding intimacy often developes a frustration that brings us precariously close to abuse.

Masturbation can easily put us on a dangerous tight rope of self abuse and obstruct us from developing intimacy with others.To me it seems void of the love we are instructed to share with God and each other.

 

[lumenorientale]

I dont think God cares if we masturbate, he has more things to worry about. Masturbation isn`t going away

You speak as if the Mind of God was somehow finite, that He only has so much room or time during any given day to “worry about” things. Well, God can comprehend every sin, every virtue, everything at once and He is not pleased with any sexual act outside of marriage. Period. If you disagree with what HIS Holy Church teaches, the Church HE established to promote HIS teachings to the ends of the earth, well, fine. Then you have to render an account for that. But I certainly hope you are not spreading your view of the Church somehow “being in error” on this subject as if you represent what the Catholic Church teaches.

Mind you, I am not saying I will pass judgement on people who masturbate. It is difficult, in the sex-saturated and consumerist culture to distinguish needs vs. wants. Sex is a want, not a need. Sometimes a very strong want, but just a want still. Yet, our media tells us we need it like the air we breathe. Hogwash.

And what has widespread libertine sexual behavior–including masturbation–gotten us? Teen pregnancy, abortion, sky rocketing divorce rates, and “social diseases.” Masturbation contributes to the problem, does not help it. Teens do it as a prelim to actual sexual activity. Grown ups do it because of internet porn and the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show (on prime time network t.v., for Pete’s sake!).

As I’ve said, this culture is diseased. The only thing that can fix the problem is the Grace of God. Definitely not more various and sundry sexual practices.

 

[CWBetts]

The Church is sometime in error, they could be wrong about it, sorry thats the way I feel, small children masturbate teens do big time & a lot of people do it throughout their whole lives even tho they are catholic & even many married people do it.
We have the ten commandments, we know what they are, the church has inserted all these things under the ten commandments, the commandments are plain to understand, I dont think all these sub sins should be under them. I also think God is more concerned with the way we love & treat one another , rather than our personal sins

Do you understand what Magesterial Infallibility means? The CHurch is NEVER in error in matters of faith, morals or doctrine. So sorry to burst your bubble. You do not trump the Church.

Score : Methodi- 0 Holy Mother Church- INFINITE

 

[musicgal4jesus]

You know nothing about me, you have no clue about my CATHOLICITY, actually I do follow the teachings of the church, I do what I have to do that is necessary for my salvation. I know all about cafeteria catholics, I dont think I am one of them. As a mortal I am expressing my feelings & beliefs, but the church which is my guide gives me the spiritual view which I must abide by, I can still have my own opinion & still live by the rules of the church, trust me I am not the only catholic who is this way

I apologize if I sounded like I was judging you, but I’m just saying- you can’t follow just some Church teachings and not others. I agree that we all still have our own opinions, etc. (free-will, right?) But when the Church says something is a sin, it’s a sin. No ifs, ands, or buts.

 

[c659smith]

You know nothing about me, you have no clue about my CATHOLICITY, actually I do follow the teachings of the church, I do what I have to do that is necessary for my salvation. I know all about cafeteria catholics, I dont think I am one of them. As a mortal I am expressing my feelings & beliefs, but the church which is my guide gives me the spiritual view which I must abide by, I can still have my own opinion & still live by the rules of the church, trust me I am not the only catholic who is this way

We are weak Human beings when it comes to sin and we as humans like to rationalize that what we may be doing is ok.

If you sin though turn away from that sin and try your best to sin no more but you know what we still do and all we can do is work at it to try to become holy.

The danger comes in when we rationalize our faults to be ok and then we rationalize it is ok to vote for a politician who adamately is pro-choice, Embryotic stem cell research, It is ok for others to committ homosexual acts.

The Church teaches these are wrong for a reason

In the Old Testament one needed to be circumcised- infections and desease from keeping that area clean.

No Pork-- no refrigerators very dangerous and tough meat to keep from going rancid and not to mention tricanosois.

Not to mix dairy with meat --cross food contaimination

Salting meat before eating turns out salt kills alot of bacteria and keeps meat fresh longer.

When people rationalized here and said to themselves it was ok they usually died from these causes eventually

Health Science was not the greatest then and through God these were the rules but they turned out to be rules that were for our benefit not God’s but God’s for us.

These were many of the Jewish laws that still exist today.

While Christ fullfilled these laws and taught us that these laws are for man’s benefit and not for God’s benefit but given by God for man.

We are taught to love one another and masterbation is self love. It is not the idea of masterbating but where the mind is when one masterbates.

 

[Holly3278]

Masturbation is a grave sin. Period. The Church has ruled on this infallibly. Masturbation is selfish and almost always, if not always, includes lustful thoughts.

 

[thistle]

The Church is sometime in error, they could be wrong about it, sorry thats the way I feel, small children masturbate teens do big time & a lot of people do it throughout their whole lives even tho they are catholic & even many married people do it.
We have the ten commandments, we know what they are, the church has inserted all these things under the ten commandments, the commandments are plain to understand, I dont think all these sub sins should be under them. I also think God is more concerned with the way we love & treat one another , rather than our personal sins

These are the comments of someone who wants to twist God to their will because they don’t want to do God’s will.
By the way the Church has never made an error in matters of faith and morals as you indicated in an earlier thread, although I would like you to support your claim by evidence so we can see what specifically you are talking about.

 

[Methodi]

You speak as if the Mind of God was somehow finite, that He only has so much room or time during any given day to “worry about” things. Well, God can comprehend every sin, every virtue, everything at once and He is not pleased with any sexual act outside of marriage. Period. If you disagree with what HIS Holy Church teaches, the Church HE established to promote HIS teachings to the ends of the earth, well, fine. Then you have to render an account for that. But I certainly hope you are not spreading your view of the Church somehow “being in error” on this subject as if you represent what the Catholic Church teaches.

Mind you, I am not saying I will pass judgement on people who masturbate. It is difficult, in the sex-saturated and consumerist culture to distinguish needs vs. wants. Sex is a want, not a need. Sometimes a very strong want, but just a want still. Yet, our media tells us we need it like the air we breathe. Hogwash.

And what has widespread libertine sexual behavior–including masturbation–gotten us? Teen pregnancy, abortion, sky rocketing divorce rates, and “social diseases.” Masturbation contributes to the problem, does not help it. Teens do it as a prelim to actual sexual activity. Grown ups do it because of internet porn and the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show (on prime time network t.v., for Pete’s sake!).

As I’ve said, this culture is diseased. The only thing that can fix the problem is the Grace of God. Definitely not more various and sundry sexual practices.

Some people seek the grace of God, but never succeed from breaking away from it. Its been here since the beginning of time, it isnt going away& I am not trying to corrupt the world, I am for purity, I am just saying how it is, everyone else on here tells it like he thinks it is. Really, none of us can be completely sure about anything. We are humans, & as humans we fail all the time,Jesus died for the unjust, the just had no need of him. Theologians are still trying to interpret the Bible. We know nothing except that there is a God who sustains the world

 

[Newbie2]

The Church is sometime in error, they could be wrong about it, sorry thats the way I feel, small children masturbate teens do big time & a lot of people do it throughout their whole lives even tho they are catholic & even many married people do it.
We have the ten commandments, we know what they are, the church has inserted all these things under the ten commandments, the commandments are plain to understand, I dont think all these sub sins should be under them. I also think God is more concerned with the way we love & treat one another , rather than our personal sins

When what you think is in direct opposition with what the Church teaches…well, friend, you’re entitled to your opinion and it’s worth only that…one man’s opinion vs.God’s revelation. I’m going with God’s revelation.

Adam & eve eating the forbidden fruit was in the cards, God knew from the beginning they would do that

“Was in the cards” implies predestination. Bzzzzt. Wrong. God’s foreknowledge is not the the same thing as predestination.