Masturbation...why?

[NovusFidem]

I’m not sure why meds can never be the answer. There are chemical reasons in some cases, and meds can also mediate the symptoms while a person gets behavioral treatment. Examples of abuse to not nullify the entire field.

Meds can be the answer, but they are VERY rarely treated correctly. I think the only medication I see people using responsibly are antibiotics, and even THAT they mess up (use for only 4 days out of a 7day cycle, for example).

Usually, they’ll stop trying to find out what caused the pain as soon as the pain is gone. Say, if you get a lot of shoulder pain: you take medication and forget you ever had pain… until it comes back. You’ll keep on analgesics instead of changing the height of your keyboard, which is causing the pain.

 

[billcu1]

Well, may I give a small and common example? I’ll use my sister:

The pills make everything easier, so she goes for it. The other options reduce pain, but never eliminate it immediately or completely.

The use of hormones (birth control pills) causes her body to STOP producing hormones - if there is too much hormone available (thanks to the pill), why produce more?

By NOT producing hormones, her body consumes fat, transforms it in cholesterol… and doesn’t know what to do with it. Cholesterol is essential for hormonal production; if you don’t need hormones, cholesterol simply stays on the bloodstream, raising its blood levels, causing all sorts of metabolic syndromes. Eventually, fatigue, pains, headaches, will make one look for the doctor again. And now:

My sister, at first, took all treatment options, except stopping with the pill. As soon as the medication kicked it, she did without the diet and exercise. If the cholesterol levels lowered and the migraine stopped, why bother? Now, she decided it’s all good and well to take a bucket load of medication (for her age).

In the end, her body will stop working properly.

Cholesterol medicines will prevent her body from transforming fat/carbs into cholesterol, lowering its blood levels. That alone will put a burden on her liver, as it stops the liver from doing one of its jobs. It will also increase the chance of diabetes (too much carb available), mental confusion, memory loss, muscle inflammation, more fatigue, nausea…

So, in the end, we will have:

Right now, her migraine remains, but the doctor wants at least 3 months use for the migraine medication to “take effect”.

And it all might be cured by simply removing one innocent birth control pill. She doesn’t even have to stop using the pill, but could at least change the medication (other hormones). But since the pill is good for her acne problems and painful periods, she wants to keep it.

See how it goes? May sound absurd, but it is far too common, specially in older patients. One of mine (elderly, cancer, **non-**palliative care) was a bit bothersome (kept calling for his wife). She asked for something to calm him; doctor prescribed benzodiazepines - caused mental confusion on the patient. Doctor diagnosed him with “end of life symptoms”, saying to keep him comfortable and remove all other treatment - meaning: remove cancer treatment, but keep with the pain medication (including the benzodiazepines)

arachnoid.com/psychology/

This is kind of interesting

 

[Rau]

…My sister (27yo, thin as a stick) has high cholesterol. I am certain it is due to her oral contraceptives, but she won’t take my word for it and stop, for just two months!, to see if I am right.

What reason does she give for not going off the Pill for even a couple of months as a trial? Perhaps if it turned out that that overcame her symptoms, it would place her in a more difficult situation, thus she’d rather not know?

 

[NovusFidem]

What reason does she give for not going off the Pill for even a couple of months as a trial? Perhaps if it turned out that that overcame her symptoms, it would place her in a more difficult situation, thus she’d rather not know?

What else? A boyfriend, bullheadedness, stubborness… the bane of every health professional: your own family doesn’t trust your (name removed by moderator)ut

PS: I edited my previous post instead of posting a new one, sorry

 

[Rau]

What else? A boyfriend, bullheadedness, stubborness… the bane of every health professional: your own family doesn’t trust your (name removed by moderator)ut

PS: I edited my previous post instead of posting a new one, sorry

Silly me, I’d assumed she was married!

 

[NovusFidem]

Silly me, I’d assumed she was married!

Hehe! Not to insult your line of thought, but I don’t think being married would make much more sense, in this day and age! (unfortunately :doh2

 

[Rau]

Hehe! Not to insult your line of thought, but I don’t think being married would make much more sense, in this day and age! (unfortunately :doh2

Well, you’d hope a married couple might trust each another enough to go 2 months with no pill to see how that affected health.

 

[NovusFidem]

Well, you’d hope a married couple might trust each another enough to go 2 months with no pill to see how that affected health.

We’d hope… I’d hope a sister would listen to her own sister’s concern, but at times it feels like I’m asking for too much…

 

[Thorolfr]

I’m not sure why meds can never be the answer. There are chemical reasons in some cases, and meds can also mediate the symptoms while a person gets behavioral treatment. Examples of abuse do not nullify the entire field.

It seems like some people believe mental illnesses (acute and/or chronic) are a fiction. That’s not to deny over prescribing or misdiagnoses, but I’d say that’s driven by profiteering and greed, not bad science, in most cases.

I agree that medications can help some people and that mental disorders are certainly real. But in most cases, a diagnosis of such disorders does not necessarily describe a discrete disease with a known cause but rather a collection of symptoms that have been put together in the DSM (the bible of psychiatry) under a label such as Major Depressive Disorder or Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. For example, whether everyone who seems to have the collection of symptoms grouped together in the DSM under the name Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and has been diagnosed with this disorder actually has the same disease with the same biological cause is usually unknown.

Most theories about how most mental illnesses work are often based on pretty flimsy science and the explanations for how psychiatric medications work are also often just as speculative. Even the biological causes of something as common as depression is still not well understood. As for treatment, antidepressants are often used for depression, but surprisingly, the first antidepressants such as isoniazid and iproniazid, were discovered by accident. They were developed after the Second World War by a Swiss company from leftover German V2 rocket fuel! Scientists can see that they sometimes seem to help people with depression, but how this actually works is not completely understood.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

I agree that medications can help some people and that mental disorders are certainly real. But in most cases, a diagnosis of such disorders does not necessarily describe a discrete disease with a known cause but rather a collection of symptoms that have been put together in the DSM (the bible of psychiatry) under a label such as Major Depressive Disorder or Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. For example, whether everyone who seems to have the collection of symptoms grouped together in the DSM under the name Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and has been diagnosed with this disorder actually has the same disease with the same biological cause is usually unknown.

Most theories about how most mental illnesses work are often based on pretty flimsy science and the explanations for how psychiatric medications work are also often just as speculative. Even the biological causes of something as common as depression is still not well understood. As for treatment, antidepressants are often used for depression, but surprisingly, the first antidepressants such as isoniazid and iproniazid, were discovered by accident. They were developed after the Second World War by a Swiss company from leftover German V2 rocket fuel! Scientists can see that they sometimes seem to help people with depression, but how this actually works is not completely understood.

In any case, I think we can all agree that psychology is a very inexact “science” at best.

 

[billcu1]

I agree that medications can help some people and that mental disorders are certainly real. But in most cases, a diagnosis of such disorders does not necessarily describe a discrete disease with a known cause but rather a collection of symptoms that have been put together in the DSM (the bible of psychiatry) under a label such as Major Depressive Disorder or Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder. For example, whether everyone who seems to have the collection of symptoms grouped together in the DSM under the name Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder and has been diagnosed with this disorder actually has the same disease with the same biological cause is usually unknown.

Most theories about how most mental illnesses work are often based on pretty flimsy science and the explanations for how psychiatric medications work are also often just as speculative. Even the biological causes of something as common as depression is still not well understood. As for treatment, antidepressants are often used for depression, but surprisingly, the first antidepressants such as isoniazid and iproniazid, were discovered by accident. They were developed after the Second World War by a Swiss company from leftover German V2 rocket fuel! Scientists can see that they sometimes seem to help people with depression, but how this actually works is not completely understood.

From what I’ve read about MAOI inhibitors they interact with everything. I am glad I’ve never taken one. But certain SSRIs are better for anxiety (Paroxetine) which is being marketed under another name now other than Paxil for women’s problems I believe. And Luvox which is a better SSRI for specific anxiety such as OCD. I had a friend that nothing was helping her OCD. I recommended luvox and it helped her immensely. Better than anything else she claimed. Tricyclics and Tetracyclics are supposed to have more side effects than SSRIs but I don’t know sometimes.
I think too btw. This has some relavence to masturbation too. Especially anxieties and depression.

 

[Thorolfr]

I think too btw. This has some relavence to masturbation too. Especially anxieties and depression.

Doctors also used to claim that masturbation caused insanity. Dr. Charles Edward Spitzka, the author of the landmark psychiatric manual “Treatise on Insanity,. Its Classification, Diagnosis and Treatment” which was published in 1883 wrote the following about masturbation in 1887:

…the typical age of onset of masturbatic insanity is between 13 and 20 years; it is at least five times as common in males as in females because of the greater rarity of masturbation in females; in the majority of cases there is a rapid decline into agitated dementia, but where deterioration is less rapid “the obtrusive selfishness, cunning, deception, maliciousness and cruelty of such patients” is such that “the [doctor] may find it impossible to reconcile himself to regarding them as anything else than repulsive eye-sores and a source of contamination to other patients, physically and morally.”

skepticalob.com/2009/08/masturbatory-insanity-rise-and-fall-of.html

 

[Rau]

Doctors also used to claim that masturbation caused insanity. Dr. Charles Edward Spitzka, the author of the landmark psychiatric manual “Treatise on Insanity,. Its Classification, Diagnosis and Treatment” which was published in 1883 wrote the following about masturbation in 1887:

skepticalob.com/2009/08/masturbatory-insanity-rise-and-fall-of.html

A cautionary tail indeed! But what caught my eye was this statement in your source…

“…with religious conservatives trying to persuade the public that homosexuality is deviant behavior and that abortion is physically harmful.”

I’ll skip over the reference to homosexual sex acts, but I will question how one could argue that abortion is not physically harmful.

 

[Elizium23]

Doctors also used to claim that masturbation caused insanity. Dr. Charles Edward Spitzka, the author of the landmark psychiatric manual “Treatise on Insanity,. Its Classification, Diagnosis and Treatment” which was published in 1883 wrote the following about masturbation in 1887:

Pretty much spot-on analysis. Science has lost and forgotten (and wilfully buried) more than it’s gained.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Doctors also used to claim that masturbation caused insanity. Dr. Charles Edward Spitzka, the author of the landmark psychiatric manual “Treatise on Insanity,. Its Classification, Diagnosis and Treatment” which was published in 1883 wrote the following about masturbation in 1887:

skepticalob.com/2009/08/masturbatory-insanity-rise-and-fall-of.html

Repulsive eyesores is right! That secret little dirty obsession! Thanks for posting this.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Pretty much spot-on analysis. Science has lost and forgotten (and wilfully buried) more than it’s gained.

yes the lunatics are running the asylum today!

 

[billcu1]

A cautionary tail indeed! But what caught my eye was this statement in your source…

“…with religious conservatives trying to persuade the public that homosexuality is deviant behavior and that abortion is physically harmful.”

I’ll skip over the reference to homosexual sex acts, but I will question how one could argue that abortion is not physically harmful.

LOL. Really! Do they mean to the embryo/fetus? Can they argue it’s not harmful to it?

 

[billcu1]

Repulsive eyesores is right! That secret little dirty obsession! Thanks for posting this.

Yes definitely. Us Catholics definitely see a problem. But I don’t know so much as bringing about dementia as there being a problem there if the first place. Habit. As many things are. There are many older medicinal theories some modern docs call bad too that they do not understand. I have more faith in homeopathy and Hippocratic and Galen’s medicine actually fixng something than modern medicine. Since when did alleopathy fix something. Treat the symptoms. But that’s another story.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Yes definitely. Us Catholics definitely see a problem. But I don’t know so much as bringing about dementia as there being a problem there if the first place. Habit. As many things are. There are many older medicinal theories some modern docs call bad too that they do not understand. I have more faith in homeopathy and Hippocratic and Galen’s medicine actually fixng something than modern medicine. Since when did alleopathy fix something. Treat the symptoms. But that’s another story.

I agree!

 

[moosewood5]

thank God somebody had the courage to say something about this.

I study sexuality and was in an ivy program where they encouraged me to study it, but then, purposely repressed me sexually.

I was like an animal in a cage for them. and masturbation was part of this abuse.

then, mom and dad too, who forced me into CERTAIN relationships with people THEY felt comfortable with. and chaos in catholic church, so NO support from there either.

the community where I live is horribly sexually abusive and is just starting to coh me out of denial about this, and now, start to do Something about there open abuse.

whatever else it is, IT is sexual abuse and repression of us catholics.

and yes, they target us, and HATE crimed us, although we love and that means ‘care’ for each other, and I do mean that.

but like in a domestic violent marriage, you love the husband even while he is beating you practically to death.

this repression forces one either to use whores they have in ample supply (and guess which religion they all are???) or, to force us to ,asturbate. and they used methods like cutting off our phones and blocking/sifting emails to wield their control over us.

they make fun of us, pretending it is because we are ‘not good enough’. (pretty, strong, tough, cool, etc).

then, they expected us not to say anything about us, and live here like a prisoner.

they point openly to the ‘catholic queers’ like our priests and the very idea of the pope.

um, and then want to have sex with us, using us into their whore rings because "we are not good enough’. those catholic ladies who are ‘good enough’ for marriage are so fed up with the bourgie living, the stepford wife ideals plastered on them, they become depressed and you know that that means. yup, trips to the jewish doctrine based psychiatrists who force us on the pills they themselves all inside invest in, and that ruin our fertility and also, give us chemical lobotomies.

dad (good catholic) is okay with this because I caught him cheating with his protestant mistress, and hates women anyway, seeing us as dumb you know whats anyway, and so doesn’t care how we fill our need for sex.

can we talk about the role of the designated child let’s see, the mary, or the stag, or the one going into the priesthood who isn’t allowed to play outside with the other kids, or the ‘retarded’ child who is a cane to her abusive mother, who treats her like an imbecile because that is what she was taught to do to look cool .