Masturbation?

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Is Masturbation sin ? Because some says that its not,some says it is.
 
Yes. If you do a search on the topic the forum is chock full of discussion of this common sin.
 
My understanding is that it isn’t regarded as sinful as long as you aren’t fantasizing about anyone while commiting the act. In other words, the lust is sinful, but not the masturbation.

Without lust, after all, it just becomes the act of stroking part of your body. Why would that be wrong in itself? Is itching wrong because it is pleasurable?
 
Oreoracle said:
My understanding is that it isn’t regarded as sinful as long as you aren’t fantasizing about anyone while commiting the act. In other words, the lust is sinful, but not the masturbation.

Without lust, after all, it just becomes the act of stroking part of your body. Why would that be wrong in itself? Is itching wrong because it is pleasurable?
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This is not Catholic teaching but your own opinion. You are entitled to your own opinion but all should know that this is not what the Catholic Church teaches nor what Catholics believe.

-Tim-
 
Yes, masturbation is a sin. Period.
Whether or not there is fantasizing or lust with it as well does not matter.
The only thing up for discussion is: to what degree is it sinful (venial or mortal).

Please refer to the Catechism of the Catholic Church to help you gain understanding. Or, just do a search here in CAF and you will find all the answers you seek as well.
 
Oreoracle said:
My understanding is that it isn’t regarded as sinful as long as you aren’t fantasizing about anyone while commiting the act. In other words, the lust is sinful, but not the masturbation.

Without lust, after all, it just becomes the act of stroking part of your body. Why would that be wrong in itself? Is itching wrong because it is pleasurable?
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Yes it is grave matter for *mortal sin *-- fantasizing or not…
 
TimothyH said:
This is not Catholic teaching but your own opinion. You are entitled to your own opinion but all should know that this is not what the Catholic Church teaches nor what Catholics believe.
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The variety of opinions held by Catholics is far greater than you imagine, I think. I’m not aware of the Church’s “official” position on the matter, but there are certainly some Catholics who argue that, without lust, masturbation isn’t wrong.

Since this is a forum wherein opinions like the above are meant to be shared, our friend should be made aware of this opinion held by several Catholics, should he not?
 
Oreoracle said:
The variety of opinions held by Catholics is far greater than you imagine, I think. I’m not aware of the Church’s “official” position on the matter, but there are certainly some Catholics who argue that, without lust, masturbation isn’t wrong.

Since this is a forum wherein opinions like the above are meant to be shared, our friend should be made aware of this opinion held by several Catholics, should he not?
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Actually such is very incorrect. The Churches teaching - IS that it is gravely wrong and cannot be done. Period. One is not free to hold or tell others otherwise - anymore than one is free to say that killing ones wife is not grave…

I understand that with background of being an “atheist- agnostic” you may have heard various things --but such is not what the Church Teaches and Catholic Moral Theology explains. Opinions of some Catholics that are contrary to the Teaching of the Church -are well – contrary to the Teaching of the Catholic Church and good Catholic Moral Theology (the forum here is about such)…
 
Bookcat:

The debatable point here is what “sexual pleasure” means. It is conceivable that a young person could masturbate before knowing the sexual function of that part of the body. It feels good in the same way that itching feels good, regardless of whether your intention is sexual or not.
 
Oreoracle said:
Bookcat:

The debatable point here is what “sexual pleasure” means. It is conceivable that a young person could masturbate before knowing the sexual function of that part of the body. It feels good in the same way that itching feels good, regardless of whether your intention is sexual or not.
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No debatable point there. See posts above -I added to my last.

There is absolutely no debatable point here – this is a settled issue.

We are not talking about involuntary actions --but that which is done with knowingly with consent.
 
Oreoracle said:
The variety of opinions held by Catholics is far greater than you imagine, I think. I’m not aware of the Church’s “official” position on the matter, but there are certainly some Catholics who argue that, without lust, masturbation isn’t wrong.

Since this is a forum wherein opinions like the above are meant to be shared, our friend should be made aware of this opinion held by several Catholics, should he not?
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Your opinion, is that of Evangelical James Dobson, and has been highly criticized by Catholics. Even without lust it spills the seed without its procreative function which is sinful. Just like Catholics cannot do that when having intercourse.

In Catholic teaching, sex is primarily a giving to another person rather than a pleasuring of self that masturbation is.

CCC teaches clearly.

2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."139

To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.
 
Oreoracle said:
The variety of opinions held by Catholics is far greater than you imagine, I think. I’m not aware of the Church’s “official” position on the matter, but there are certainly some Catholics who argue that, without lust, masturbation isn’t wrong.

Since this is a forum wherein opinions like the above are meant to be shared, our friend should be made aware of this opinion held by several Catholics, should he not?
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When I was in RCIA, we were told that if you sinned in this fashion, you did not have to go to confession. Is this wrong? I wonder why there are different views.
 
Masturbation is a mortal sin so basically 99.1 percent of people are going to hell?

Maybe I need new friends but I don’t know really know anyone who doesn’t.

Don’t get me wrong I accept the church’s teachings, but it’s hard to think about the fact that the majority of people will in fact die in mortal sin unless they don’t know it is or meet the 3 requirements for being mortal sin which it’s fair to say outside of Catholicism most don’t, heck even inside the church but even among those that do many don’t care or flat out reject it. I’m not gonna lie these are one of the sins I’m resentful about…it’s almost as if I had just never found out the true teaching I could just not worry about it. Doesn’t seem fair as the case with many other sins and growing in knowledge of the faith. I trust in God but I can’t help but feel annoyed at times. It also does not help to have priests teaching conflicting things on this matter.
 
Simca said:
When I was in RCIA, we were told that if you sinned in this fashion, you did not have to go to confession. Is this wrong? I wonder why there are different views.
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Unless you are addicted to masturbation, it is mortal sin.

So admit your culpability is lessened because of mental illness /addiction, or go to confession.

At the least talk to your priest.
 
HoneyBea said:
Masturbation is a mortal sin so basically 99.1 percent of people are going to hell?

Maybe I need new friends but I don’t know really know anyone who doesn’t.

Don’t get me wrong I accept the church’s teachings, but it’s hard to think about the fact that the majority of people will in fact die in mortal sin unless they don’t know it is or meet the 3 requirements for being mortal sin which it’s fair to say outside of Catholicism most don’t, heck even inside the church but even among those that do many don’t care or flat out reject it. I’m not gonna lie these are one of the sins I’m resentful about…it’s almost as if I had just never found out the true teaching I could just not worry about it. Doesn’t seem fair as the case with many other sins and growing in knowledge of the faith. I trust in God but I can’t help but feel annoyed at times. It also does not help to have priests teaching conflicting things on this matter.
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They won’t go to hell if they aren’t culpable or even if they are…just go to confession! Our Lord is faithful and just and forgiving!
 
It’s fairly obvious that masturbation is wrong, even to a non-Catholic such as myself, a universal sort of morality always told me it was wrong even when doing it. Masturbation is an addictive and dangerous thing, I always felt ashamed after doing it and it took a long time to quit doing it but I have been much happier for it.
Somebody in another thread on this subject posted something by CS Lewis which was really accurate.
 
I know… isn’t that what I just said?

And what if the culpable ones don’t make it to confession?
 
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