MATTHEW 16: 17 - 19, "The Rock"!

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Go to the original Greek that the New Testament was translated from. What word do they use for Cephas in John 1:42? They use πετρος. If you don’t have that font it looks like netpoc. So if we go to Matthew it should be the same word for both places because it should read, technically “you are a rock, and upon this rock I will…”
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Well, when Jesus say’s “Peter” the word used is πετρος or netpoc. Is it the same further down the sentence? No, it’s πετρα or netpa. The first is masculine, the second is feminine. Jesus isn’t talking about Peter because he uses a different word. Unless Peter suddenly turned into a girl or Jesus is a really funny joker but I’m sure that isn’t the case.
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Since we’re talkin about the original language here, let’s remember that they were speaking Aramaic (as was well shown in The Passion of the Christ). Now, since Aramaic has not got the gender problems that Greek does it becomes clear that Jesus was NOT calling Peter (“my little rock” so to speak). If that had been his intention he would have (firstly have to have been speaking to Peter in Greek, which we KNOW was not the case.) used thy actual Greek word for a small stone…“lithos”. The authors of the Gospel knew this and chose to use the word Petra, making it clear that Christ DID indeed mean that Kepha was the rock upon which he built his church.

Also, the fact that Jesus tells Peter that he will give him the keys to the kingdom is VERY significant since when a king did that for any person, that person henceforth spoke with the authority of the king. (See your Old Testament for the instances, but just think of Joseph in Egypt and the Kings of Israel especially). At any rate the point is that Christ gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom and since Jesus is the King of Kings and King of Israel, the question is moot. (This Kingship of Christ is also important concerning the Blessed Virgin’s special position as “Giberah” and intercessor for His Church, but that’s another thread topic.)

So the whole non-Catholic argument against the primacy of St. Peter is founded on poor scholarship and misunderstanding and collapses accordingly.
 
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This made me loose respect for your post! Jewish is a very ancient language and as with all languages should be neutrally respected!

Also I was reading something about THe Rock, St Peter, and apparantly in Aramaic, the word rock is KEpha I think it said, also another issue is that there were two different dialects of Greek used. But the author did say that in Aramaic and in English and in one of the Greeks, St Peter is definately the Rock and the first Pope. Those who denie this are the typical non Cath fundy who has been brainwashed not to reserach history and they therefore denie historical facts!
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You said you lost respect for my post. You, angel_crooks, didn’t like that I said that Christ spoke to Peter in the vulgar language of the Jews. Actually I was correct! Jesus was speaking Aramaic, not Hebrew. Cephas (Kepha) is an Aramaic word.

The language used by the Temple Priests of the Jews was the Religious language : Hebrew. Hebrew was the "upper-class " Language of the Religious sect. The Apostles spoke Aramaic.

The common language of the Jews was ARAMAIC. Jesus spoke to Peter in Aramaic…Cephas is Aramaic, not Hebrew! The “Vulgate”, the Latin Bible is called the “Vulgate” because it was written in common Latin of the time, not some "upper-class language.

Vulgate, vulgar, and common all refer to the same meaning; what is common. Aramaic was the “vulgar” language of the Jews. HOWSZATT?

DEFINITION: Vulgar: 2. characteristic of the masses of common people, as disinguished from the educated or privalidged elite.
 
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**Sei **wrote this :But the difference is that these people you pray to are dead. You can’t go and talk to them and ask them to pray to God for you. You’re praying to them so that they can be the mediator between you and God, because you’re asking them to go to God for you. Why do you need someone else to go to God for you when He told you to go directly to Him? The scriptrues say there is only one mediator between God and man, who is Christ Jesus

Sei, How you got so far away from the subject of my original question, I don’t know. But, you have ursuped this thread with your eratum. The question was how can anyone say that Jesus was NOT talking to Peter in Matt 16: 18 - 19? That is the question! The question is about who is Jesus talking to in Matt16:v 18-19.**

I have seen that your off-topic post have generated some responces. Do you wonder why? In my opinion you would post more eloquently if you did your homework. I am sorry to tell you but your posts have some glaring errors.
 
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:clapping: Nice post. I doubt those who are Protestant will necessarily agree with you though.
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That’s so typical, they can’t even agree with themselves. Long live the RE-formation!:rolleyes:
 
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