May Raped Men Require Abortion?

[flyingfish]

A man should have the option of giving up his parental rights and responsibilities. That is the equivalent of abortion for a man, who never actually has to sustain the fetus with his body.

 

[kage_ar]

So a man should be forced to have a child, to be the parent of a living human being who is walking around somewhere on the planet, even if he was forced to parent that child due to a violent crime?

What a double standard the pro aborts have.

 

[lobster]

A man should have the option of giving up his parental rights and responsibilities.

Parenting is not an option. It is a responsibility.

That is the equivalent of abortion for a man, who never actually has to sustain the fetus with his body.

We were not responsible for own conceptions, yet we are now somehow responsible for our lives.

 

[flyingfish]

So a man should be forced to have a child, to be the parent of a living human being who is walking around somewhere on the planet, even if he was forced to parent that child due to a violent crime?

You seem to really want to push this point, why I don’t understand. As a Catholic there are plenty of other arguments against abortion. This particular argument makes no sense because a man does not get pregnant.

Parenting is not an option. It is a responsibility.

Parents can give children up for adoption, women can choose to have abortions. It’s only logical that a man should be able to relinquish parental rights and be freed of having to pay child support if he so chooses.

 

[adstrinity]

I had a friend who was (maybe still is) pro-life because of this line of thinking. Basically, you can’t require a man to pay child support if it’s not a human, ergo, it must be human and therefore abortion would be murder.

 

[lobster]

Parents can give children up for adoption,

This does not relinquish the parents responsibility. God has blessed them with the responsibility for their children’s lives. Adoption under certain circumstances is a legitimate direction in carrying out that duty. Throwing up ones hands and saying, “I did not choose to bring this child into the world and therefore am not responsible” is not.

women can choose to have abortions.

Anyone can choose to do wrong. Sin is slavery.

It’s only logical that a man should be able to relinquish parental rights and be freed of having to pay child support if he so chooses.

If a woman chooses to do wrong, it does not logically follow that the action becomes just and moral. Therefore, it cannot extend also to men.

 

[mamabear3]

In another thread, many posters contend that after rape a woman is justified and has the right to abort the child conceived by the rape.

Men get raped.

When a man is raped, should that act impregnate his rapist, would it be permissible for him to force that child to be aborted?

Should a man be forced to be come a father against his will?

You can bet this will probably never happen…have you ever heard of a woman raping a man in this way? It’s just ridiculous.

 

[Eris_Discordia]

You can bet this will probably never happen…have you ever heard of a woman raping a man in this way? It’s just ridiculous.

Yes, I have. I am really getting irritated by the fact that everyone ignores it.

 

[Rence]

You can bet this will probably never happen…have you ever heard of a woman raping a man in this way? It’s just ridiculous.

Yes, I have. What is ridiculous is the lack of respect, understanding, compassion and charity towards victims of rape, whether they are men or women. I’m beginning to see a trend though. It’s been enlightening.

No disrespect or criticism intented, but I’m observing that evidently, rape is no big deal to some Catholics

 

[centurionguard]

** Originally Posted by Middleman
The rape of men is almost always done by other men. A situation where a man was sexually aroused against his will by a woman and then forced to have sex would be extremely rare. It’s an off the charts hypothetical situation.**

A situation where a man was sexually aroused against his will by a woman and then forced to have sex would be extremely rare.

What you are saying here holds little water. By what inference are you claiming that such occurrence is extremely rare. Statistics hold little truth to back up this kind of situation. Men use their own strength, knives and guns to overcome female victims.
What’s to prevent women from using the same methods? Such situations are for the most part never publicly released because in such an event rarely will a man declare a woman raped him because of public bias scrutiny.

 

[flyingfish]

A situation where a man was sexually aroused against his will by a woman and then forced to have sex would be extremely rare.

What you are saying here holds little water. By what inference are you claiming that such occurrence is extremely rare. Statistics hold little truth to back up this kind of situation. Men use their own strength, knives and guns to overcome female victims.
What’s to prevent women from using the same methods? Such situations are for the most part never publicly released because in such an event rarely will a man declare a woman raped him because of public bias scrutiny.

Not to mention that thinking that a woman must rape a man by using his penis ignores all the other way that a person can be raped (such as a man can be raped by a woman with an object). It might not happen nearly as often, and women definitely don’t commit anywhere near the number of violent crimes as men. Still… there have been female serial killers, why not rapists too.

 

[centurionguard]

Not to mention that thinking that a woman must rape a man by using his penis ignores all the other way that a person can be raped (such as a man can be raped by a woman with an object). It might not happen nearly as often, and women definitely don’t commit anywhere near the number of violent crimes as men. Still… there have been female serial killers, why not rapists too.

Totally Agree!

 

[mamabear3]

I’m sorry if my earlier post has offended people. i was not trying to be insensitive. I am a surivor of rape. I know men can be raped by woman. and rape doesn’t have to be violent either it can be manipulative and played out with mind games. so anyway I’m sorry my post was rude.

should man have the right to make woman abort an unwanted child that was conceived by rape? no, that child is innocent and has done no wrong. It’s just that this scenario is pretty out there, not to say it couldn’t happen.

 

[centurionguard]

I’m sorry if my earlier post has offended people. i was not trying to be insensitive. I am a surivor of rape. I know men can be raped by woman. and rape doesn’t have to be violent either it can be manipulative and played out with mind games. so anyway I’m sorry my post was rude.

should man have the right to make woman abort an unwanted child that was conceived by rape? no, that child is innocent and has done no wrong. It’s just that this scenario is pretty out there, not to say it couldn’t happen.

Mammbear; I too am a rape victim trying to survive and find healing. No apology necessary, its easy to get caught up in emotionality given the sensitive nature of this thread.

Peace Chris

 

[mamabear3]

thank you

 

[pathia]

You can bet this will probably never happen…have you ever heard of a woman raping a man in this way? It’s just ridiculous.

I have heard of of it too. Directly within my circle of friends too, so it’s not a ‘soandso said this about soandso’.

Edit: Saw that you replied again. It is completely understandable, I don’t think you offended anyone.

 

[Eris_Discordia]

Yes, I have. What is ridiculous is the lack of respect, understanding, compassion and charity towards victims of rape, whether they are men or women. I’m beginning to see a trend though. It’s been enlightening.

No disrespect or criticism intented, but I’m observing that evidently, rape is no big deal to some Catholics

I’m seeing this, too. Mamabear apologized, but it bothers me that some Catholics think very little of rape victims. Plus, male victims get the least help. Especially Female on Male rape. I’m trying to start a Sexual Assault Survivor group on campus, and I’m trying to figure out how to make it gender neutral. It’s proving to be a challenge.

 

[centurionguard]

I’m seeing this, too. Mamabear apologized, but it bothers me that some Catholics think very little of rape victims. Plus, male victims get the least help. Especially Female on Male rape. I’m trying to start a Sexual Assault Survivor group on campus, and I’m trying to figure out how to make it gender neutral. It’s proving to be a challenge.

**I think it would be an extreme challenge at best trying to make a Survivor Group gender neutral. Not that I myself go against such a great idea. I think both female and male victims could learn something constructively good from one another with the promise of healing.

However; it is truly regrettable that women since the beginning of time have taken the greatest curse in respect to overall numbers being victims of rape from male savages.

Being a man myself and a victim of gang-rape torture I really don’t know how so many women in history can find it within themselves to forgive these kind of men for their wretched shameful deeds other than only finding healing through God Himself.

I still think that after the Great Sin of Abortions that Rape is the least concerned moral issue in this confounded world. In North America a woman, man, or child gets raped every three seconds. On the continent of Africa its two people being raped every second.
How does one stop this insanity? It certainly won’t happen in my life time. Everytime I hear about someone getting raped my eyes well up with tears the same way I do when I hear about abortions. **

 

[Eris_Discordia]

**I think it would be an extreme challenge at best trying to make a Survivor Group gender neutral. Not that I myself go against such a great idea. I think both female and male victims could learn something constructively good from one another with the promise of healing.

However; it is truly regrettable that women since the beginning of time have taken the greatest curse in respect to overall numbers being victims of rape from male savages.

Being a man myself and a victim of gang-rape torture I really don’t know how so many women in history can find it within themselves to forgive these kind of men for their wretched shameful deeds other than only finding healing through God Himself.

I still think that after the Great Sin of Abortions that Rape is the least concerned moral issue in this confounded world. In North America a woman, man, or child gets raped every three seconds. On the continent of Africa its two people being raped every second.
How does one stop this insanity? It certainly won’t happen in my life time. Everytime I hear about someone getting raped my eyes well up with tears the same way I do when I hear about abortions. **

:console: I feel the same way…