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I think it’s time for me to stop trying to be someone I’m not. I try and try to be a Catholic, but I fail anyway. I think it’s time to just admit that it’s just not something I believe in.
I don’t believe in a lot the dogma. I just don’t. I don’t like shutting my mind to things, but I realize there are parts of Catholicism that I just don’t believe. And the state of the church with all the scandals and hypocrisy, how could this be what God intended?
Even more general than my doubts about Catholicism, are my doubts about God. To me, God just seems so far away and unattainable. Everyone says we should look forward to eternity with God. I just don’t think I want eternity with someone I’ve never really come to know. I want be with my family and my friends forever. According to Catholicism, approximately none of them meet the standards to make it to heaven. Why would I want to go to heaven if I won’t know anyone there?
Sorry about the rant, but could anybody help to put my mind at ease? :confused:
 
Even more general than my doubts about Catholicism, are my doubts about God. To me, God just seems so far away and unattainable. Everyone says we should look forward to eternity with God. I just don’t think I want eternity with someone I’ve never really come to know. I want be with my family and my friends forever.
Maybe you need to spend time getting to know God. You could start by reading the bible and praying about it, or praying the rosary while meditating on the mysteries that have Jesus in them. Or other things that get you to spend time with God’s word or meditating about Him. Maybe if you put in the effort He’ll introduce Himself to you.
 
Thanks for the reply.
I do try to get to know God, but He seems so distant and impersonal. I’ve tried studying the Bible and praying, but the more I learn and experience, the less I believe.
 
I think it’s time for me to stop trying to be someone I’m not. I try and try to be a Catholic, but I fail anyway. I think it’s time to just admit that it’s just not something I believe in.
I don’t believe in a lot the dogma. I just don’t. I don’t like shutting my mind to things, but I realize there are parts of Catholicism that I just don’t believe.
There are many things that are difficult to understand. It’s okay to say, “I don’t know,” or “I don’t understand.” There is no way that any of us can grasp everything. Some things just have to sit on a shelf in your mind, without being too worried about them.
And the state of the church with all the scandals and hypocrisy, how could this be what God intended?
You know, I imagine that Mark, the young boy who ran away from the Crucifixion was thinking exactly that same thought. How could this be what God intended? How could Judas have been allowed to get Jesus crucified? Was God asleep at the wheel and didn’t notice the disaster taking place right under His nose, to His own Son? Surely Jesus must be an impostor - God would have saved the real Messiah from such a terrible fate.

The truth is that God allows some very strange things to happen. From our point of view, they seem quite terrible. But God has a plan, and everything works out for the best. Jesus had to go to the Cross in order to save us from our sins, and then rise again from the dead.

Perhaps there is a good reason for God to allow terrible sinners to be part of our Church, as well. 🤷 We will probably not know the reason in our lifetimes.
Even more general than my doubts about Catholicism, are my doubts about God. To me, God just seems so far away and unattainable. Everyone says we should look forward to eternity with God. I just don’t think I want eternity with someone I’ve never really come to know. I want be with my family and my friends forever. According to Catholicism, approximately none of them meet the standards to make it to heaven. Why would I want to go to heaven if I won’t know anyone there?
First, we have no way of knowing whether our family members will make it to Heaven or not. Trust in God and have hope. God, after all, loves them more than you or any human being ever can.

Second, you can come to know God by means of prayer. I would suggest that you simply begin by coming to a Catholic Church and spending some time in front of the Tabernacle. You don’t need to say or do anything - just be there for a while, and take in the quiet. Over time, your relationship with Hm will grow closer. Spend time with Him, and it will happen. 🙂
 
Hi Irish Eyes.We all have doubts from time to time and that is completely normal and understandable. Many many people who represent the catholic church have let God down and the church down by their actions and have brought scandal to the name of catholicism.
Sometimes I don’t recognise much Christian love in people who call themselves catholic but then again they probably look at me and my failings and assume I am not a very good catholic!

Perhaps this is down to our personal perception of our personal relationship with Christ.I love going to Mass I love God and my relationship with Him.I talk to Him all the time.I pray all throughout my day.I have gradually developed a relationship with Him.He answers many of my prayers and I have sought much guidance and recieved it.

In all walks of life you will meet different types of people.Some will be generous natured thoughtful kind and caring others may have different political views to you,others may treat you poorly and you may feel hurt.We are all God’s children no matter who or where we come from.
“Even the hairs on your head are numbered”.God loves each and every one of us.

My advice to you would be pray to God for guidance.Develop a relationship with Him,He is listening.Don’t assume all catholics are the same…we are all different and have very different political views and values.God is the judge of our soul not anyone here on earth.None of us know if we may indeed share eternal life with Him.

I have been very disillusioned by some posters here at CAF.This is not a good representation of catholicism.Speak to a priest you trust or find one that you can talk to and tell him honestly of your concerns,I am sure he will be able to set you on the right road.

I am no expert,we are all just normal regular people from all walks of life.Don’t let some people put you off what is the church that Jesus established.Yes some things have gone badly wrong that is because we are human and susceptible to failure.They will be answerable for their actions to God.This is still the right church just human’s often fail.

May God bless you my friend and guide you
 
I just don’t think I want eternity with someone I’ve never really come to know. I want be with my family and my friends forever. According to Catholicism, approximately none of them meet the standards to make it to heaven. Why would I want to go to heaven if I won’t know anyone there?
Hey Irish Eyes,

I’m sorry to hear about the turbulence that you are going through in these spiritual matters. Life can certainly bring up things that can shake our faith.

At the moment I would like to address the concern you’ve expressed about heaven. Without asking names or specific details (which would involve information probably too personal to be shared in this forum) can you tell me why you feel they haven’t met the standards to make it to heaven? For simplicity, maybe you could describe (in general terms) the “worst case scenario” among them. It could be that there is a credible reason to believe that this person could end up in heaven, even from the Catholic perspective. And if the worst case scenario could make it then we could presume that the others could make it as well.

In terms of your concern about certain friends and family not ending up in heaven, I think it would be best to verify that this is, indeed, a valid concern in the context of Catholic teaching. If not then there is no reason for you to have to worry about it any longer. That, at least, would be one less item on the list (for whatever that is worth).
 
Thanks for the insight everyone.
@Eric- I think every one of my family and friends deserves heaven. To answer your question, I know many of them commit any combination of not going to church, lying, cheating, drugs, drinking, fornication, divorce, contraception, homosexual activity, swearing, fighting, and just about all the “no’s” according to Catholicism. However, I also know they can be good and honest and kind, and for the most part, that’s what they are. I don’t judge them for doing this because I do some of those things too. I just don’t see how I will never give up on them, even when they are doing something wrong, but God can just throw them away because they didn’t meet His standards. They stick with me and I stick with them, and I know that being with them is the only thing that feels like Heaven to me.
 
Thanks for the insight everyone.
@Eric- I think every one of my family and friends deserves heaven. To answer your question, I know many of them commit any combination of not going to church, lying, cheating, drugs, drinking, fornication, divorce, contraception, homosexual activity, swearing, fighting, and just about all the “no’s” according to Catholicism. However, I also know they can be good and honest and kind, and for the most part, that’s what they are. I don’t judge them for doing this because I do some of those things too. I just don’t see how I will never give up on them, even when they are doing something wrong, but God can just throw them away because they didn’t meet His standards. They stick with me and I stick with them, and I know that being with them is the only thing that feels like Heaven to me.
Just always remember that God loves them even more than you do, and that even when you are tempted to give up on them, God never will. Be at peace regarding them, know that they are doing their best, and just focus on your own journey with God, making sure that you, too, are also doing the best that you know. You might be held to a higher standard than them, and that’s okay, too.

🙂
 
I think it’s time for me to stop trying to be someone I’m not. I try and try to be a Catholic, but I fail anyway. I think it’s time to just admit that it’s just not something I believe in.
I don’t believe in a lot the dogma. I just don’t. I don’t like shutting my mind to things, but I realize there are parts of Catholicism that I just don’t believe. And the state of the church with all the scandals and hypocrisy, how could this be what God intended?
Even more general than my doubts about Catholicism, are my doubts about God. To me, God just seems so far away and unattainable. Everyone says we should look forward to eternity with God. I just don’t think I want eternity with someone I’ve never really come to know. I want be with my family and my friends forever. According to Catholicism, approximately none of them meet the standards to make it to heaven. Why would I want to go to heaven if I won’t know anyone there?
Sorry about the rant, but could anybody help to put my mind at ease? :confused:
I cannot help you.
You are seeking the truth andyou have got all the doubts that all beievers have. Now it takes time to solve all these questions that cannot be solve with a coup of magician.

Seek God. Good Journey.
 
A lot of Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular is a bit difficult.

There are a couple of things that keep me going:

When I say the Apostles Creed, sometimes I get stopped near the beginning where it says " … maker of heaven and earth …" The more I study the “self-regulating” nature of the planet Earth … all of the changes that have occurred … the other day I was channel surfing and there was this television program about how the Sahara Desert shifts back and forth from lush greenery to desert and back because there is this little “wobble” in the earth’s rotation so that every 20,000 years the rains shift to the north. There are a LOT of these quirky qualities that the planet earth possesses and we are only just now getting to know about them; and yet it is clear that those “quirks” were designed in by a superior Being.

The relationship between the Old Testament and Jesus. Spread out over 5000 years or so, there are just so many “mysteries” that some people devote their entire lives to studying them.

Jesus. He was severely criticized during His life here because HE HAD A TAVERN MINISTRY. It makes me just close my eyes and shake my head. His tavern friends most probably knew that the Jesus they knew … was Divine … God. And His first public miracle was changing water into wine. And the first saint of the Christian Church was … Dismas … a sociopathic criminal … If Dismas could make it, then there is hope for me. And the “praised prayer” … “Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner” … and the words of the Centurion: “Lord, I am not worthy for you to enter under my roof, but just say the word and my servant will be healed”. [So, tell me again … who exactly IS Jesus?]

Finally … there is Mary. The Jewish Mother who does all the “heavy lifting” with the apparitions. I love Mary.
 
Thanks for the reply.
I do try to get to know God, but He seems so distant and impersonal. I’ve tried studying the Bible and praying, but the more I learn and experience, the less I believe.
Maybe praying to the Saints and Angels could help make God feel more personal? Reading mystics or praying to modern Saints may help you have a relationship with God because you might be able to relate to them

Hope this is helpful
 
I think it’s time for me to stop trying to be someone I’m not. I try and try to be a Catholic, but I fail anyway. I think it’s time to just admit that it’s just not something I believe in.
I don’t believe in a lot the dogma. I just don’t. I don’t like shutting my mind to things, but I realize there are parts of Catholicism that I just don’t believe. And the state of the church with all the scandals and hypocrisy, how could this be what God intended?
Even more general than my doubts about Catholicism, are my doubts about God. To me, God just seems so far away and unattainable. Everyone says we should look forward to eternity with God. I just don’t think I want eternity with someone I’ve never really come to know. I want be with my family and my friends forever. According to Catholicism, approximately none of them meet the standards to make it to heaven. Why would I want to go to heaven if I won’t know anyone there?
Sorry about the rant, but could anybody help to put my mind at ease? :confused:
The scandal started at the Last Supper when Judas betrayed Jesus. We are defiant creatures. Adam disobeyed God,Moses did too, Judas betrayed Jesus, a few hours later Peter denied Jesus three times, only one apostle stood at the foot of the cross while the others hid fearing they’d be next. And these were Christ’s friends.
Yes, I too thought that priests were special and functioned on a higher plane than the rest of us. We were mistaken. We forgot that Christ was betrayed too.

What dogma don’t you believe? How about the Nicene Creed? I don’t find anything difficult in that. Do you? How does the Church make you shut your mind to things?

Who told you you would not see your family and friends in heaven? What standards wouldn’t they not meet to attain heaven? If Catholics avail themselves of confession, they should die without sin on their souls, so what’s the problem? The Good Thief was told…today you will be with me in Paradise. Was he Catholic?

Try talking to God. I thank Him in the morning for the hot shower I’m enjoying. Christ never had a hot shower on tap. I get to pick food from all over the world, I have electricity to watch my TV shows, air conditioning, beautiful sun sets. Do I understand everything that God does? No, and I never will. Even when I do go to heaven, I still will not comprehend everything but that’s okay.

Knew a woman who had a NDE. Before that happened she was not religious and could not imagine anything more boring than to spend eternity in heaven singing in a choir. Well, she died. Was taken in the light, saw Christ,was enveloped in LOVE and then came back. She became a hopital chaplin so something must have happened and she will say that she cannot imagine anything more wonderful than to experience the same when she finally does die.
 
And the state of the church with all the scandals and hypocrisy, how could this be what God intended?
Do not judge the Church by those who do not live by its teachings, but by those who do - the saints. The Church is holy because its Founder is holy and its saints are holy.

Do you know that real diamonds are seldom found without impurities? It is easier to find a fake diamond that looks like a perfect crystal (with no impurities) than it is to find a pure and real diamond. The Catholic Church is like a precious diamond. That there are bad people in the Church only means that the Church is real and not fake. It is made of sinners - real men and women - with their weaknesses and sins.

I am a member of that Church. I am one of those who contribute to the impurities that scandalize you. I am sorry. I am sorry that I am not perfect. But at least I am real, not something you just wish for in your imagination but isn’t true. When I go to heaven, I’ll make up for it by praying for you.
 
I think it’s time for me to stop trying to be someone I’m not. I try and try to be a Catholic, but I fail anyway. I think it’s time to just admit that it’s just not something I believe in.
I don’t believe in a lot the dogma. I just don’t. I don’t like shutting my mind to things, but I realize there are parts of Catholicism that I just don’t believe. And the state of the church with all the scandals and hypocrisy, how could this be what God intended?
Even more general than my doubts about Catholicism, are my doubts about God. To me, God just seems so far away and unattainable. Everyone says we should look forward to eternity with God. I just don’t think I want eternity with someone I’ve never really come to know. I want be with my family and my friends forever. According to Catholicism, approximately none of them meet the standards to make it to heaven. Why would I want to go to heaven if I won’t know anyone there?
Sorry about the rant, but could anybody help to put my mind at ease? :confused:
IrishEyes, God is closer to us than any friend or family member… and He loves us (not collectively, but individually) much more than anyone else can. Do you think it could help you to maybe open up to Him a little bit more? I found reading the book “Consoling the Heart of Jesus” by Fr Michael Gaitley, very helpful in opening up to God and being closer to Him. Would you consider reading it? 🙂

Regarding the dogmas… any problem in the Church is not a result of the dogmas, but it’s a result of human free will, sin, and the devil. The Church has a human element, which is imperfect, and a divine element, which is perfect. Doctrine comes from the divine element, because the Holy Spirit protects the Church. Jesus said to Peter (Peter’s name means rock) “You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it”.

God bless!
 
Well put Rom422. We have a plethora of heretics, schismatics, sinners, and rebels against the church, right inside of the church. There are some of us that are fighting to protect the Bride of Christ also. I hope you will join us.

Try reading some of these.
  • Forgotten Catholic Heroes
  • 39 New Saints You Should Know
  • Paul of Tarsus
  • Seven Lies About Catholic History
Get to know the heroes and the villans.

Of course it seems like God is distant here. That is because we are in a fallen world and have our own inclination to sin. We have been ejected from the Garden of Eden, for a real reason! It is all in the book of Genesis.

God has his hand extended, sending help you are unaware of and the necessary grace to lead you back, back to heaven. The decision is yours. The outcome is eternal. Place your bet. Which side are you on.

Your relatives deserve heaven. It may be your role to help lead them across the finish line.
 
There are bad people within the church yes, but that is apart from it’s teachings, and those who are bad within the church are those who do not listen to the church, they are what we call bad examples, but they need help just as much as anyone else, they need saving too, so don’t think that they will get into heaven any easier than those outside the church…they need our prayers…
maybe you would benefit from reading the lives of the saints, they are examples of what you become when you obey God and His teachings(not in miracles, but in virtue), and sure it’s not an easy road, but it’s the most fulfilling and rewarding, and nothing can compare with it’s joys…because the greatest joy the saints had was God Himself, He is our true friend, doing what is best for us even at the risk of being hated…no one can call themselves a greater friend, because no one has ever died for the very people who killed him, and forgave, and gave every last drop of blood, not holding back anything, and as ungrateful and undeserving as we are, He still wants us, and loves us more than we understand…that is one of the reasons people hate God…because they don’t understand love…well, the more you learn to know God, the more you will understand what love is, because God is love, and the more you understand that, the more you will be able to grow in love…not that you’re feelings of affection will increase, since love is not a feeling, but instead your love will become more perfect, you will love as you should…which is a much more vast thing than you may realize…and God needs friends too…but we only seem to want to give our friendship to those who are useful to us and make us feel good…whereas God seeks something more important, the salvation of our immortal souls, which matters more than getting what we want and feeling good…your true friends are the ones who risk being hated for the sake of saving your soul, the ones who would die for you, or at least sacrifice their own comfort and joys for your sake…
God gives us everything, even those friends and family you consider your heaven…but if you know they’re not in the right spiritual condition to enter heaven, then what are you doing? you have to understand first of all, it’s not that God doesn’t want them in heaven, it’s that heaven would be hell for them if they did not love God, because heaven IS God…when you love the world and the things of this world, and do not love God, then what is heaven going to be for you? you’re not going to just all of a sudden change when you die, you must learn to love God while you’re here, and if not, you choose hell willingly, not because God sends you there, but because there is no longer a place to go, since the world you loved is gone, and now you are faced with the unbearable reality that you have lost God, and hell, with all its torments, is a distraction from that ultimate pain.

if you want to understand your religion, seek the answers from the right places, don’t try to read the bible on your own, and if you don’t understand something, look for the answers, get yourself a good spiritual director, i would recommend a priest from the FSSP if you have one nearby, and check out these sites for some of the best explanations of our faith you can find -
audiosancto.org/
keepthefaith.org/
fultonsheen.com/Fulton-Sheen-MP3.cfm
youtube.com/user/CatholicClips#g/p
tanbooks.com/index.php
store.saintbenedict.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=12&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1

there’s no need to give up, because that will get you no further than you are now, it will only take you backwards, you need to move forward, and although you may have been seeking answers, you were not looking in the right places, so give it another try, and especially you have to pray, not just vocal prayers, but mental prayers, talk to God, tell Him what is on your mind, speak with him just as you are speaking to us, and then when you are done saying what you have to say, just sit with Him in silence for awhile, perhaps in a church, or just somewhere you can be alone and un-distracted…don’t give up, you have nothing to gain for yourself or your friends that way, just give it some time, God loves you very much, He desires to be with you, He desires to make you happy, but you must listen to Him, He knows the right way for you to become as you were meant to be, to be happy and at peace,

just pray on it, and i will keep you in my prayers also…i am aware that no words may help you, but i’m sure prayers will, so that’s all, take care.

“Those who tell the Truth love you. Those who tell you what you want to hear love themselves.” -Mother Angelica.

‘What a weakness it is to love Jesus Christ only when He caresses us, and to be cold immediately once He afflicts us. This is not true love. Those who love thus, love themselves too much to love God with all their heart.’ St. Margaret Mary Alacoque

‘The sufferings endured for God are the greatest proof of our love for Him.’ St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori

“To love God is something greater than to know Him.” St. Thomas Aquinas

‘Until you have eradicated evil, do not obey your heart; for it will seek more of what it already contains within itself.’ St. Mark the Ascetic

‘Why must we suffer? Because here below pure Love cannot exist without suffering. O Jesus, Jesus, I no longer feel my cross when I think of yours.’ - St. Bernadette Soubirous

‘The time has come: you must wake up now.’ Romans 13:11

“Have you forgotten what you are.” St.Severimus Boethius

‘Have death always before your eyes as a salutary means of returning to God.’ St. Bernard of Clairvaux

‘Enjoy yourself as much as you like - if only you keep from sin.’ St. John Bosco
 
Thanks everybody for the prayers and suggestions, I’ll be sure to try them 🙂
But right now, I still feel lost. I don’t what I am. A lot of people here say that I’m not Catholic because there is just so much I don’t believe in or struggle to believe. I think I’m Catholic, but only because that’s what I grew up as and don’t know how to be anything else. I have trouble grasping the concept of “God,” but I still think Jesus sounds like the coolest, kindest man ever, that Mary is my mother, and that St. Francis showed us how a real hippie rolls. But there are just many things that I cannot currently, and probably never will, believe, even though I try.
As far as my family and friends, as well as myself, I just don’t know how God could condemn us if they do the things we do. Most of the drug-users and alcoholics do what they do to numb their pain. Most women I know use contraception because they’re scared of what could happen if they didn’t. Many of the liars we’re lied to by everyone around them. We’re working with the cards we were dealt and God gave a lot of us some pretty difficult cards. It not like they actually want to do this, it’s that they don’t know any other way to cope. How could a loving God condemn them?
 
Thanks for the insight everyone.
@Eric- I think every one of my family and friends deserves heaven. To answer your question, I know many of them commit any combination of not going to church, lying, cheating, drugs, drinking, fornication, divorce, contraception, homosexual activity, swearing, fighting, and just about all the “no’s” according to Catholicism. However, I also know they can be good and honest and kind, and for the most part, that’s what they are. I don’t judge them for doing this because I do some of those things too. I just don’t see how I will never give up on them, even when they are doing something wrong, but God can just throw them away because they didn’t meet His standards. They stick with me and I stick with them, and I know that being with them is the only thing that feels like Heaven to me.
One thing to remember is that the church has never taught that any specific person is in Hell. (With the possible exception of Judas…) Never.

Not Hitler.
Not Pol Pot.
Not Ghadaffi.
Not one of them does Benedict XVI point to and say “Yep, he’s in Hell.”

The legalistic idea of “meeting His standards” as if we’re all trying to get into a celestial “good guys club” melts away when you realize that He is calling to each and every one of us, every moment of the day. He wants us in heaven. None of us deserve heaven by our own merits, but God wants us there all the same. He’s not looking for reasons to keep us out – we do that ouselves by preferring other things to Him. In essence, God does not condemn anyone to Hell, I firmly believe. We choose hell by choosing to do that which offends God. Offended, he still loves us. I think the last thing a person sees at the judgement, assuming that they do end up going to hell, is not thunderbolts and lightning and a “begone, you wretched sinner, from my sight!” but instead God, looking at them with eyes of infinite sadness, saying “I wanted you, my beloved creation, with me for all eternity. But love includes letting you go on your own path.” And even at that last moment, the moment we draw our very last breath, he gives us that one last chance to say “I’m sorry, God. please forgive me. Let me return the love you have shown me” through a perfect act of contrition.
 
I think it’s time for me to stop trying to be someone I’m not. I try and try to be a Catholic, but I fail anyway. I think it’s time to just admit that it’s just not something I believe in.:
Stop reading these forums. Seriously, some of these folks would make Mother Teresa feel guilty.

Here’s the question: do you believe Jesus when he said *This is my body, this is my blood? * If you do, then to be true to yourself you need to be in the Church. You could check out Eastern Rites or the Orthodox, but really, get involved in some volunteer work, go to Mass once a week, try to be nicer to people than you feel like, and trust Jesus. That’s about it.

We aren’t supposed to be a “good Catholics.” We are supposed to be following Jesus as best we can. If you believe the Eucharist is the real deal, you just don’t leave Him. For you own sake.

I’ll be praying for you. And take a break from this place. srsly
 
Everyone tells me that I think of God too legalistically. But I should- you either go to heaven or you don’t, end of story. There is a set way to get in, a set way not to. I just don’t know what way it is.
@Julia: I think you might be right, sometimes I get a little scared when I ask an innocent question and then get skewered in the replies. And honestly, it’s not a good thing, but I’m the first to admit about myself that I’m not a “good Catholic.” But hey, sometimes I think it may just beat being a self-righteous holy roller. :rolleyes:
 
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