McDonald's signs onto Gay Agenda

[surfinpure]

I disagree with your statement, and Joe Kelley’s, that since people are going elsewhere to reputable companies, these companies now can take on new employees. And what if there are no other auto manufacturers with plants near the closed Ford plants? Would your response be for them to move where the jobs are?

And are you using any IBM or Intel products? Do you use any products of the other Corporate Partners? If so, you are being most hypocritical.
Please go and check the partners. If you use no products or services of any of these then I apologize.

nglcc.org/corporate/partners

This grows tiresome.

First of all, whether or not you disagree with the statement that a loss of business for one company means a gain for another is immaterial. In the auto market, it’s a fact. People are going to continue to purchase vehicles, and if not with one company, then with another. Did I mean to imply that the same people who lost their jobs will find ones with the other companies? Of course not. But someone will. And you seem to be saying that it is more important that we preserve the jobs of one select group of people, as though they are somehow are more important than the ones who will find work due to the creation of jobs elsewhere, which is ridiculous.

Secondly, I take offense at the presumption that I have, since learning of the practices of any company including IBM, have purchased that company’s products. But consider that it is an easy presumption to make only because certain companies hold a virtual monopoly on goods. What you seem to be asking (and forgive me if I’m wrong) is, “But don’t you buy products of offending companies in areas where there is little available or affordable competition?” Therefore you clearly understand the difference between boycotting McDonald’s (who has reputable competition down the street) and boycotting Microsoft (who produces most of the software my husband will need to use in his line of work).

 

[demol]

This grows tiresome.

Secondly, I take offense at the presumption that I have, since learning of the practices of any company including IBM, have purchased that company’s products. But consider that it is an easy presumption to make only because certain companies hold a virtual monopoly on goods. What you seem to be asking (and forgive me if I’m wrong) is, “But don’t you buy products of offending companies in areas where there is little available or affordable competition?” Therefore you clearly understand the difference between boycotting McDonald’s (who has reputable competition down the street) and boycotting Microsoft (who produces most of the software my husband will need to use in his line of work).

No, people are calling for a boycott of McDonalds because they are a Corporate Partner of NGLCC. That was the premise. There was no stipulation that McDonalds be boycotted because there are alternatives.
It matters not if or when you bought IBM products. If you continue to use them you are supporting IBM and not supporting a reputable competitor. You do not have to use their products.
So Microsoft produces most of the software for your husband’s line of work…well, what about the displaced Ford plant worker with no other plant available in his or her area?
If this grows tiresome, then just do not reply. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy in this.

 

[surfinpure]

No, people are calling for a boycott of McDonalds because they are a Corporate Partner of NGLCC. That was the premise. There was no stipulation that McDonalds be boycotted because there are alternatives.
It matters not if or when you bought IBM products. If you continue to use them you are supporting IBM and not supporting a reputable competitor. You do not have to use their products.
So Microsoft produces most of the software for your husband’s line of work…well, what about the displaced Ford plant worker with no other plant available in his or her area?
If this grows tiresome, then just do not reply. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy in this.

1. I will not be called a hypocrite because I continue to use already-purchased IBM products. If you have convinced yourself that in doing so I am giving my financial support to IBM, there can be no further logical discussion on this subject between us.
2. Saying we ought to boycott one company that can possibly and effectively be boycotted is quite different from saying we ought to boycott every company, regardless of whether or not it would be possible or effective. If you can’t understand this, I can’t make you. **Good luck boycotting the entire world. ** I wish you well.
3. Are you actually saying that my husband should quit his job because of some displaced Ford workers? Do you have any idea how absurd that sounds?
4. Do you actually care more about jobs at Ford than jobs at any other company? Why the special allegiance to Ford?
5. Is preserving jobs at McDonald’s (since that is the business of concern to this thread) really more important than not financially promoting legalized gay “marraige?” Are you saying we ought to put economy above morality? Well, you wouldn’t be the first…

I am signing off of this thread, because those who understand the value and need of a boycott have already been informed, and the rest who are too “sensitive” or too caught up in name-calling and finger-pointing to do anything about it will not be dissuaded from their crusade against the evils of boycotting.

Good day all, and happy boycott.

 

[rlg94086]

It would be hard for me to boycott McDonalds since the last time I was in one was in 2001 in Rome and I only went in then because they had free restrooms.

Au contraire mon ami… Based on your post, it would be exceedingly easy for you to boycott McDonalds, since you never set foot in them anyway.

It would be like me giving up eating mushrooms for Lent (I don’t like mushrooms…always pick them out of my meal and scoot them to the side of my plate…or give them to my son).

 

[demol]

1. I will not be called a hypocrite because I continue to use already-purchased IBM products. If you have convinced yourself that in doing so I am giving my financial support to IBM, there can be no further logical discussion on this subject between us.
2. Saying we ought to boycott one company that can possibly and effectively be boycotted is quite different from saying we ought to boycott every company, regardless of whether or not it would be possible or effective. If you can’t understand this, I can’t make you. **Good luck boycotting the entire world. ** I wish you well.
3. Are you actually saying that my husband should quit his job because of some displaced Ford workers? Do you have any idea how absurd that sounds?
4. Do you actually care more about jobs at Ford than jobs at any other company? Why the special allegiance to Ford?
5. Is preserving jobs at McDonald’s (since that is the business of concern to this thread) really more important than not financially promoting legalized gay “marraige?” Are you saying we ought to put economy above morality? Well, you wouldn’t be the first…

I am signing off of this thread, because those who understand the value and need of a boycott have already been informed, and the rest who are too “sensitive” or too caught up in name-calling and finger-pointing to do anything about it will not be dissuaded from their crusade against the evils of boycotting.

Good day all, and happy boycott.

Easy there, just trying to show the hypocrisy that’s all.

1. If you use IBM products, you are supporting them. It’s that simple.
2. So, boycott only those that it might be effective against? Selective boycotting…interesting…
3. No, I am not saying your husband should quit his job. You claimed it ok to use Microsoft because that is all your husband can use for his job. What about the Ford, McDonalds and other boycotted employees that have no other comparable employment opportunities in their areas? You give your husband a free pass to use Microsoft, but the others?
4. I have no allegiance to Ford, or McDonalds, or any other Corporate Partner listed.
5. So it is morally acceptable to impose hardships on those that have absolutely no say in executive decisions? You seem to think a boycott will hurt those that make the decisions.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

This is how sin proliferates.

 

[Terry_from_Ypsi]

In some of the earlier replies, there were some discounting thye “Gay Agenda” and some said that they are not afraid of this.

On Catholic Answers I heard the best reason to be concerned about the ongoing efforts to support and encourage people to accept, normalize, and recognize marriage as beyond a man and a women. In one of St Paul’s letters, he speaks of Christ’s love for the Church as that of the love of a man for a woman.

There is only one reason to go against the gains of the Gay Agenda, the roots lie at the Gates of Hell and are temptations stirred-up by Satan to lead people to denial of God, the truth, and
ever-lasting damnation.

SO, I will not go to a McDonalds and if any readers know owners of McDonalds franchises who are Roman Catholic or Catholic
Charities that have close relationships with McDonalds franchises
then encourage them to put pressure on McDonalds to “repent”
of these steps.

To those who are reading this reply that live an active homosexual lifestyle, I ask you to “Come to Your Senses” as the Prodigal Son did and turn and seek God and repent of this sinful activity.

To those battling homosexual desires, may you strength and support in groups like Courage and a deep relationship with God
to combat these desires.

Regards,

 

[beckycmarie]

More from the American Family Association:

Throwing out any pretense of being neutral in the culture war, McDonalds has taken up the rhetoric of gay activists, suggesting those who oppose same-sex marriage (SSM) are motivated by hate.

AFA has asked for a boycott of McDonalds restaurants because of the company’s promotion of the gay agenda. AFA asked McDonalds to remain neutral in the culture war. McDonalds refused.

In response to the boycott, McDonald’s spokesman Bill Whitman suggested to the Washington Post that those who oppose SSM are motivated by hate, saying “…hatred has no place in our culture.” McDonalds has decided to adopt the “hate” theme used by gay activist groups for years.

Whitman went on to say, “We stand by and support our people to live and work in a society free of discrimination and harassment.” Mr. Whitman has intentionally avoided addressing the reason for the boycott. This boycott is not about hiring gays or how gay employees are treated. It is about McDonalds choosing to put the full weight of their corporation behind promoting their agenda.

McDonalds donated $20,000 to the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce in exchange for membership and a seat on the group’s board of directors. The NGLCC lobbies Congress in support of same-sex marriage.

McDonalds CEO Jim Skinner said the company will promote issues they approve. “Being a socially responsible organization is a fundamental part of who we are. We have an obligation to use our size and resources to make a difference in the world…and we do.”

Source: AFA

Online petition here: BoycottMcDonalds.com

 

[Mighty_Q]

McDonalds CEO Jim Skinner said the company will promote issues they approve. “Being a socially responsible organization is a fundamental part of who we are. We have an obligation to use our size and resources to make a difference in the world…and we do.”

They certainly are making a difference–no argument from me.

 

[Julianna]

More from the American Family Association:

Online petition here: BoycottMcDonalds.com

McDonalds is free to give their money to any organization they choose as they have stated. You all have chosen not to give your money to McDonalds. America, land of the free. I would have it no other way.

Where does it end? When does it end? Will you be forced into a cave and growing your own food? It’s like the Proctor and Gamble symbol in days of old.

If the Church came out with a list of “boycotts” for all Catholics…would you follow it? And now the big question…

“Who is going to police it?” Are you going to walk up to Mr and Mrs. Jones at Mass on Sunday and say “hey I saw you and the kids at McDonalds, I’m going to let father know”.

Has paranoia reigned supreme?

I watch every news channel from A-Z and never heard a peep about the AFA boycott and the “effect” on sales at Ford. I have heard the gas prices and the ongoing war in Iraq reasons for the slump in sales. I also know that Honda and Toyota are seeing a great jump in sales in the last 23 months. Gee, I wonder why? Gas prices in 2000 were $1.43, now they are $4.05. The Big 3 are hurting as most Americans chose pick ups and SUV as standard family vehicles. Oh by the way…latest news…Ford dealerships can’t keep the Escape Hybrid in stock as they are flying off the lots in record numbers. I don’t know…gas prices maybe??

At McDonalds you can get a meal for the family for under $15.00 bucks. Americans are price driven. They will go where they can get the best deal.

To scare people into the sky is falling mentality doesn’t bode well for the Christian message. To focus solely on the Gay Agenda and “their out to get you”…breeds paranoia and many issues that would benefit communities, cities, states…etc… are left in the dust. At least on CAF anyway.

 

[Mighty_Q]

McDonalds is free to give their money to any organization they choose as they have stated. You all have chosen not to give your money to McDonalds. America, land of the free. I would have it no other way.

Where does it end? When does it end? Will you be forced into a cave and growing your own food? It’s like the Proctor and Gamble symbol in days of old.

It’s not like the P&G symbol. This is real.

If the Church came out with a list of “boycotts” for all Catholics…would you follow it? And now the big question…

“Who is going to police it?” Are you going to walk up to Mr and Mrs. Jones at Mass on Sunday and say “hey I saw you and the kids at McDonalds, I’m going to let father know”.

Nobody is saying it needs to be enforced. This is a thing that people are doing personally, and are encouraging others to do.

Has paranoia reigned supreme?

Only in the rants of “open minded” liberals.

I watch every news channel from A-Z and never heard a peep about the AFA boycott and the “effect” on sales at Ford. I have heard the gas prices and the ongoing war in Iraq reasons for the slump in sales. I also know that Honda and Toyota are seeing a great jump in sales in the last 23 months. Gee, I wonder why? Gas prices in 2000 were $1.43, now they are $4.05. The Big 3 are hurting as most Americans chose pick ups and SUV as standard family vehicles. Oh by the way…latest news…Ford dealerships can’t keep the Escape Hybrid in stock as they are flying off the lots in record numbers. I don’t know…gas prices maybe??

This made my brain hurt trying to comprehend…what do gas prices have to do with McDonald’s trying to change the very makeup of society by undermining Christian values?

At McDonalds you can get a meal for the family for under $15.00 bucks. Americans are price driven. They will go where they can get the best deal.

You can get the same deal at any other hamburger joint. You can get better food for not much more at the grocery store.

To scare people into the sky is falling mentality doesn’t bode well for the Christian message. To focus solely on the Gay Agenda and “their out to get you”…breeds paranoia and many issues that would benefit communities, cities, states…etc… are left in the dust. At least on CAF anyway.

The only people claiming the sky is falling are those who are against this boycott.

 

[SacredHeartFan]

We all know that McDonalds and Coke support just about everything. They support the local Catholic football team and they support Abbyfest. (youth festival)

 

[bpbasilphx]

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I guess they’re just searching for ‘equality’ when they force the schools to teach four-year-olds the joys and wonders of homosexual acts of perversion.

Please give one school in one city–and approximate date would be nice–where this has actually happened.

I wasn’t the one quoted, but here is one such promotion in California, SB 1437:**

A proposition, huh? In other words, it didn’t actually happen yet.

 

[Julianna]

It’s not like the P&G symbol. This is real.

The folks who thought the P&G symbol is satanist…believed it was real.
Nobody is saying it needs to be enforced. This is a thing that people are doing personally, and are encouraging others to do.

I’m with you on the “doing personally”…it’s the “encouraging others” based on paranoia.

Only in the rants of “open minded” liberals.

If you have read my posts you would know that I am not a liberal. I am an idependent/moderate. I never vote a straight ticket, I don’t jump on bandwagons and I don’t succumb to “scare” tactics.

This made my brain hurt trying to comprehend…what do gas prices have to do with McDonald’s trying to change the very makeup of society by undermining Christian values?

I was responding and perhaps should have been clearer…to the Ford boycott in another post.

You can get the same deal at any other hamburger joint. You can get better food for not much more at the grocery store.

yes, you can.

The only people claiming the sky is falling are those who are against this boycott.

I’m not against the boycott…I am concerned about the “hell in a handbasket” approach to others who are fundamentally obsessed with being a good Catholic.

 

[cerad]

I’d recommend staying away from Wendys as well. Square burgers just ain’t natural.

 

[Mighty_Q]

I’d recommend staying away from Wendys as well. Square burgers just ain’t natural.

 

[SacredHeartFan]

I’d recommend staying away from Wendys as well. Square burgers just ain’t natural.

 

[peregrinus_WA]

McDonald’s: Christian boycotters ‘hate’ homosexuals
CEO says company has obligation to ‘make a difference … and we do’

Following a link from the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce’s website leads to a promotional for children’s Happy Meals at the McDonalds website

Those who oppose homosexuality for religious reasons are participating in “hate,” according to an official for McDonald’s, the worldwide purveyor of Big Macs and Happy Meals.

“Hatred has no place in our culture,” corporate spokesman Bill Whitman told the Washington Post in response to a campaign by the American Family Association for a boycott of the burger-and-fries outlets because of the corporation’s advocacy for the homosexual lifestyle.

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I rarely ate (note past tense) at McDonald’s. Now it will be never.

 

[LRThunder]

Since the McDonald’s exec says opposition to homosexuality is hatred, would it be fair to say his opposition to the boycott is hatred of Christians? Only fair.

 

[foggydawn]

Since the McDonald’s exec says opposition to homosexuality is hatred, would it be fair to say his opposition to the boycott is hatred of Christians? Only fair.

Not really, since not all Christians are opposed to homosexuality.

I rarely eat at McDonald’s. Their breakfast menu is better than Burger King, but otherwise the King rules.