Meat on St. Patrick's Day (Friday?)

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Is meat on Friday sort of just dependent on the Diocese?
Here we can eat meat on St. Patrick’s Day, and the Cardinal said we can substitute another form of penance for the Lenten Friday abstinence. This alternate penance departs from some other diocese who simply say suggest making Saturday mean free instead, March 18. I am reading that another Diocese might not allow dispensation, in which case it’s mentioned “When in Rome, do as the Romans do,” noting that God and most people are not worried about it. The the Bishop here said if a Catholic “feels that eating meat on St. Patrick’s Day is important enough to break the rule of abstinence, they are permitted to make a conscientious decision to do so.”

I was needing to cook for some family members, out of town, and just got a little confused, lol, about who would or who would not be eating what. I wanted to be respectful of anyone’s choices so could aim for dishes that please all. 🙂 It seems way too complicated that it would depend what Diocese one is from, that determines what they can eat, if they are all Catholics anyway. But reading the local paper it’s a big story. Live and learn!
 
May1980 said:
Is meat on Friday sort of just dependent on the Diocese?
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Yes.
May1980 said:
Here we can eat meat on St. Patrick’s Day, and the Cardinal said we can substitute another form of penance for the Lenten Friday abstinence.
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Yes, all the bishops in our state issued a dispensation, as we have many historically Irish churches and communities with our immigrant population.

And, yes, the bishop can indicate what the dispensation entails in his diocese, it can be different from place to place.
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I am reading that another Diocese might not allow dispensation, in which case it’s mentioned “When in Rome, do as the Romans do,”
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Well, not exactly. If you travel somewhere else, you are still dispensed.
May1980 said:
It seems way too complicated that it would depend what Diocese one is from, that determines what they can eat, if they are all Catholics anyway. But reading the local paper it’s a big story. Live and learn!
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It depends on what diocese you are from, and what diocese you are in. If you are dispensed by your own bishop, you are dispensed. If you are in a territory that has a dispensation, you are also dispensed.

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__PA.HTM

Note, just because the dispensation exists, that doesn’t mean you have to exercise it. You can do a meatless meal if you so choose.

I will be in another state next Friday. I don’t know if they have a dispensation or not. But I have one from my bishop. It doesn’t mean I will eat meat. But, it means I can.
 
In the US, St. Patrick’s Day is not a solemnity so one needs dispensation from the bishop to forego ones Friday abstinence/fasting.

If you know where all your guests are coming from you can check the internet and see if their bishop has given dispensation. Often times these dispensations hit the newspapers. So, while it might take a bit of time, it shouldn’t be too difficult to ascertain. Or you could just ask your guests if they know.

Alternately you can just make two main courses. Corned beef and another traditional Irish food such as Shepherd’s Pie, Potato and Leek Soup, Colcannon, meatless Irish stew (use mushrooms for a “meaty” bite).

Good luck with your cooking.

Peace,
B
 
Bridgit_Andrews said:
In the US, St. Patrick’s Day is not a solemnity so one needs dispensation from the bishop to forego ones Friday abstinence/fasting.

If you know where all your guests are coming from you can check the internet and see if their bishop has given dispensation. Often times these dispensations hit the newspapers. So, while it might take a bit of time, it shouldn’t be too difficult to ascertain. Or you could just ask your guests if they know.

Alternately you can just make two main courses. Corned beef and another traditional Irish food such as Shepherd’s Pie, Potato and Leek Soup, Colcannon, meatless Irish stew (use mushrooms for a “meaty” bite).

Good luck with your cooking.

Peace,
B
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This to me seems the practical solution. You don’t need to be a short order cook or prepare a lot of different dishes. Trust your guests to know their own dietary restrictions, and let them choose accordingly.
 
I was needing to cook for some family members, out of town, and just got a little confused, lol, about who would or who would not be eating what. I wanted to be respectful of anyone’s choices so could aim for dishes that please all. It seems way too complicated that it would depend what Diocese one is from, that determines what they can eat, if they are all Catholics anyway. But reading the local paper it’s a big story. Live and learn
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If they are guests in your home, they eat what is served. Isn’t that even in the Bible? :)🙂

There’s no custom that you HAVE TO eat meat on SPD.

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
If they are guests in your home, they eat what is served. Isn’t that even in the Bible? :)🙂
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There’s no custom that you HAVE TO eat meat on SPD.**

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Depends on the region. Tradition where my family is from you eat a New England Boiled Dinner on St Patrick’s Day which includes a Corned Beef. Day of the week or Lenten season not withstanding.
 
May1980 said:
Is meat on Friday sort of just dependent on the Diocese?
Here we can eat meat on St. Patrick’s Day, and the Cardinal said we can substitute another form of penance for the Lenten Friday abstinence. This alternate penance departs from some other diocese who simply say suggest making Saturday mean free instead, March 18. I am reading that another Diocese might not allow dispensation, in which case it’s mentioned “When in Rome, do as the Romans do,” noting that God and most people are not worried about it. The the Bishop here said if a Catholic “feels that eating meat on St. Patrick’s Day is important enough to break the rule of abstinence, they are permitted to make a conscientious decision to do so.”

I was needing to cook for some family members, out of town, and just got a little confused, lol, about who would or who would not be eating what. I wanted to be respectful of anyone’s choices so could aim for dishes that please all. 🙂 It seems way too complicated that it would depend what Diocese one is from, that determines what they can eat, if they are all Catholics anyway. But reading the local paper it’s a big story. Live and learn!
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I wonder what st Patrick would advise?
My guess is that corned beef and cabbbage would not trump the memorial if God dying for you. I think the good Saint would agree.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
I wonder what st Patrick would advise?
My guess is that corned beef and cabbbage would not trump the memorial if God dying for you. I think the good Saint would agree.
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My guess is that he would agree that the Bishop has the final say.
 
Bridgit_Andrews said:
In the US, St. Patrick’s Day is not a solemnity so one needs dispensation from the bishop to forego ones Friday abstinence/fasting.
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It depends on the diocese. If St. Patrick is the patron of the diocese, then is feast is celebrated as a solemnity in that diocese.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
So one has to eat meat if a bishop gives approval!?
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No.

It is a dispensation not a requirement. Do you have a problem with this based on what you imagine St. Patrick would say?

Big difference.

You can choose to not eat meat but others have been given the dispensation to eat meat.
 
Sarcelle said:
No.

It is a dispensation not a requirement. Do you have a problem with this based on what you imagine St. Patrick would say?

Big difference.

You can choose to not eat meat but others have been given the dispensation to eat meat.
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What is the spiritual benifit of eating meat on st Patrick’s day this year?
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
What is the spiritual benifit of eating meat on st Patrick’s day this year?
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That is a question one should ask oneself and not others. The point is recognizing that the Bishop is the authority in his Diocese and that must be respected whether one likes the dispensation or not. He doesn’t have to answer to anyone for it. The decision on whether to eat meat or not if dispensed is personal. If one wants to eat meat if dispensed, fine. No one should question the decision or try to influence the decision in others.
 
CB_Catholic said:
That is a question one should ask oneself and not others. The point is recognizing that the Bishop is the authority in his Diocese and that must be respected whether one likes the dispensation or not. He doesn’t have to answer to anyone for it. The decision on whether to eat meat or not if dispensed is personal. If one wants to eat meat if dispensed, fine. No one should question the decision or try to influence the decision in others.
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It’s a question everyone should ask.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
What is the spiritual benifit of eating meat on st Patrick’s day this year?
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Apparently the value of honoring an ethnicity and ethnic tradition which has shaped the Catholic Church in America is not important to you. So be it, but I don’t think some kind of “spiritual benefit test” needs to be applied before someone, in clear conscience, can consume meat that day in the wake of their bishop’s dispensation.
 
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