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Left is left, Clinton and Sanders are in the same category. If the media didn’t have the fascination of the first woman president, they may have supported Sanders.

Are you really trying to make a point that because they didn’t support an avowed socialist over one who actually is one, that they are not left wing?
No, you really cherish the myth that the media is left-wing, even though you have little evidence for this.

The fact that you could not distinguish between Sanders and Clinton shows that you really do not know what left-wing politics entails.
 
No, you really cherish the myth that the media is left-wing, even though you have little evidence for this.

The fact that you could not distinguish between Sanders and Clinton shows that you really do not know what left-wing politics entails.
There has been tons of evidence listed in this thread. I did distinguish between them, but is not what you wanted to hear.
 
No, you really cherish the myth that the media is left-wing, even though you have little evidence for this.

The fact that you could not distinguish between Sanders and Clinton shows that you really do not know what left-wing politics entails.
That’s your gotcha moment? lol some can’t see the forest because of the trees
 
They will continue to do so because it’s how they keep the propaganda going. And it looks America is ready to fall for it all over again sooner rather later. And this time it will pretty much be endgame.

But factually UCLA did studies and showed around 90% of the media (including FOX NEWS) leans left.
So?

Like Leaf says it depends on where you draw the line.
 
I think if some of the people posting here consumed some actual leftist media their heads might explode.
 
I’m claiming it is an irrelevant challenge. I don’t doubt that there are some registered Republicans there. I don’t have access to the employee list of NPR or easy access to their party affliction. And even if I did waste my time and find one, it would not advance the argument about media bias, because you would just say “Well, that is just one”.
How can it not cause systemic bias is every employee is sitting on the same side of the fence? That you don’t recognize it is deeply concerning.
David Brooks is not occasional. He is a regular.
Every program has token guests to represent the opposition. I’ve already shown you that David may be available but is likely not representative of conservatives.

You still haven’t identified an actual program that leans right.
As I said, the “no true Scotsman” fallacy. What you call Right and Left depends on where you draw the line for the center. I think you are drawing it way too far to the right so that only a very few will qualify.
Stop deflecting, the question was never about if their programs have token or hard core opposition speakers. But if you want to go there, at least juan williams is a FOX employee, with regular (not as needed guest) coverage.
 
What you call Right and Left depends on where you draw the line for the center. I think you are drawing it way too far to the right so that only a very few will qualify.
Absolutely true.

It’s worth noting, in this discussion, that what is now considered “leftist” or even “hard left” (that phrase seems to be a favorite of Trump supporters) was the status quo not so long ago.

Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama would all have been perfectly comfortable as Republicans in the Nixon administration. Nixon himself would have been called a “leftist” by the Trump crowd.
 
How can it not cause systemic bias is every employee is sitting on the same side of the fence? That you don’t recognize it is deeply concerning.
Professionals with journalistic standards are able to limit their personal opinions from their objective reporting. If no journalists were able to do this, we could never trust anything any journalist reports, right or left.
Every program has token guests to represent the opposition.
If you listen to Shields and Brooks you know David Brooks is not a token guest, but highly respected.
I’ve already shown you that David may be available but is likely not representative of conservatives.
Can we please dispense with the “no true Scotsman” arguement?
You still haven’t identified an actual program that leans right.
Marketplace. But I suppose this also a “no true Scotsman” case. You have to set a reasonable standard for “leans right”. I think what you are looking for is “toppled over and fell off the table to the right”.
 
Professionals with journalistic standards are able to limit their personal opinions from their objective reporting. If no journalists were able to do this, we could never trust anything any journalist reports, right or left.

If you listen to Shields and Brooks you know David Brooks is not a token guest, but highly respected.

Can we please dispense with the “no true Scotsman” arguement?

Marketplace. But I suppose this also a “no true Scotsman” case. You have to set a reasonable standard for “leans right”. I think what you are looking for is “toppled over and fell off the table to the right”.
That appears to be the problem, there is no trust in what the mass media reports.

gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

It is such a shame that people can agree on so many things but cannot find a common ground to build on the disagreements. The political climate has gotten as bad as I have ever seen it.
 
How can it not cause systemic bias is every employee is sitting on the same side of the fence? That you don’t recognize it is deeply concerning.

Every program has token guests to represent the opposition. I’ve already shown you that David may be available but is likely not representative of conservatives.

You still haven’t identified an actual program that leans right.

Stop deflecting, the question was never about if their programs have token or hard core opposition speakers. But if you want to go there, at least juan williams is a FOX employee, with regular (not as needed guest) coverage.
And don’t forget Shep Smith who is an opinion journalist who holds himself out to be otherwise. And then there’s Bob Beckel.
 
That appears to be the problem, there is no trust in what the mass media reports.

gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx
The media is certainly under attack, and true believers in Trump are largely responsible for the shift in public opinion. It seems to me that this is exactly what Trump wants. If he can successfully discredit the media in the eyes of the public, then he can go on with his agenda without worrying about any media watchdogs, since his tweets will be equally respected, if not more so, than what the media says. It has been done before in history. It is not an original idea that Trump thought up.
 
The media is certainly under attack, and true believers in Trump are largely responsible for the shift in public opinion. It seems to me that this is exactly what Trump wants. If he can successfully discredit the media in the eyes of the public, then he can go on with his agenda without worrying about any media watchdogs, since his tweets will be equally respected, if not more so, than what the media says. It has been done before in history. It is not an original idea that Trump thought up.
How would you blame Trump for this poll?

gallup.com/poll/185927/americans-trust-media-remains-historical-low.aspx
 
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