Media brain washing. Is it just me? What to do?

[jzea1992]

I wish it would pass for my sister who’s gay but sadly it doesn’t always pass.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

Within about 6 months something happened, she cut her hair short, defined who she is on her own accord and stopped listening to “conformity doctrine” of the present Marxist culture.

Based on my very limited study of Marx, he really doesn’t. With due respect to the poster, I’m not sure “Marxist” is the adjective to be used here. It is fairly evident to any traditionalist, conservative, what have you, observer of society, that there is a massive juggernaut of what I think of as “shared grievances”, and nobody fuses that together better than the toxic stew of the mainstream media, Hollywood and the entertainment industry, the educational establishment, and that champion of coalition-building, the Democratic party in the United States.

It works something like this: there are various interest or identity groups within the larger society. Each of them agree that they are in some way “oppressed”, “disadvantaged”, “misunderstood”, or have some set of grievances that need to be addressed and made more fair and just. These groups include, but are not limited to, women’s rights advocates, advocates of reproductive freedom, sexuality that wants to be free of consequences or constraints, various visible minorities of color — especially those who can point to systemic discrimination and oppression as having left them disadvantaged — sexual minorities (LGBTQ+), religious sects with a history of having been persecuted, immigrants both legal and illegal (especially the latter), and so on. There are others. These interest groups all agree to fuse their agendas and support each other, and they become “darlings of the media” and become favored by anyone who seeks “social justice”. It’s a potent mix, and I don’t see how they lose as many elections as they do. You’d think they’d win them all. If you want to learn more about how it works, just read Saul Alinsky. The man was a genius. Talk about someone who understood the human condition!

 

[HomeschoolDad]

If you’ve gotten this far, thanks for reading my monologue. It’s not rocket science. The other day, I was listening to conservative talk radio while I was out running errands, and Mark Steyn, guest host on Rush Limbaugh, said almost the exact same thing that I said above (my family is very used to hearing me discuss this). I just sat there gasping like a guppy! “Someone else gets it…”

 

[EndTimes]

This may explain why Marxists (such as the British Labour Party under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn) are sometimes indifferent to the concerns of minorities (such as, in the case of the British Labour Party, Jewish people).

Yet, wasn’t Marx Jewish as were also many devotees of Marxism?

 

[Anrakyr]

My child has lived a normal life, very sheltered from the outside world,

This is a self conflicting statement. Normal implies average. Seclusion (right or wrong, not the point) is an outliers belief. Humanity is communal. If you and your family can find a healthy way to exist this way then all the power to you.

But don’t paint it normal.

About two years ago she stumbled up on a game which took her to an online comunity which open the doors to a whole lot lgbt information and now she is convinced she is a lesbian. My heart is broken and every morning I woke up with a feeling of a hole in it.

She’s a growing girl and now is questioning herself and trying to identify where she fits into it. It’s a completely normal process (ignoring the LGBT components for a moment.)

If you want to help her you need to address the hole in her heart first. For her something is missing. She has questions you seem unequipped to answer so she has turned elsewhere.

What can I do? What to read? How to lead my (used to be) girly girl?

Why does she have to be a “girly girl”? Don’t boil down her gender into a pigeon holed role.

My sister only had brother’s, we were homeschooled and secluded like you. She was always more tomboyish as a result to keep up with her brothers. When she became an adult she put most of that behind her.

She still plays in the mud with her children however. She isn’t less a good Christain mother for it. She’s just her version of one. A little bit tomboy, always a mother and not afraid to play in the dirt.

It’s the best version of her by her for her.
And there’s nothing wrong with that.

You want to help your daughter help her be the best her she can be. That means ultimately letting her define it.

There’s the problem. A blade is not tempered in a freezer but by fire. Do not try to keep her from the world, but teach her why Catholicism is better than what the world offers.

Agreed.

The other day, I was listening to conservative talk radio while I was out running errands, and Mark Steyn, guest host on Rush Limbaugh, said almost the exact same thing that I said above (my family is very used to hearing me discuss this). I just sat there gasping like a guppy! “Someone else gets it…”

I’ve always had a problem with “self affirmation” like this due to a show. I know it great to hear someone agree with you but the truth should be what matters.

I’ve gone through life swapping opinions in the hopes of achieving the best set. This is an eternal process. I expect by the time I’ve come close I’ll be on my deathbed hoping someone is around will pick up where I left off.

But I digress.

Shows like the Rush have turned me off from those opinions because they couldn’t support them outside a vacuum.

 

[Anrakyr]

The other day, I was listening to conservative talk radio while I was out running errands, and Mark Steyn, guest host on Rush Limbaugh, said almost the exact same thing that I said above (my family is very used to hearing me discuss this). I just sat there gasping like a guppy! “Someone else gets it…”

It’s easy to say; gender roles and the family building blocks but forget life is chaotic at best. You can say the family unit is being eroded away but excluding morality for a moment if you can not all families or people are created equal.

People die. Parents or children are lost. Some of those relationships are not healthy. Some are very healthy despite missing key members or roles.

People adapt but I find people like those on Rush Limbaugh don’t.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

This may explain why Marxists (such as the British Labour Party under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn) are sometimes indifferent to the concerns of minorities (such as, in the case of the British Labour Party, Jewish people).

Marx was of Jewish ethnicity but he was not a practicing Jew. His father was a Jewish convert to Christianity.

The other day, I was listening to conservative talk radio while I was out running errands, and Mark Steyn, guest host on Rush Limbaugh, said almost the exact same thing that I said above (my family is very used to hearing me discuss this). I just sat there gasping like a guppy! “Someone else gets it…”

I am not affirming, and would not affirm, that “I’m right because someone else agrees with me, and on a nationwide talk show at that”. All of the people in the world agreeing on a falsehood or error, doesn’t make it true or right.

I observe what goes on in society, and what kind of messages the media feed us in every way they can, and ask myself “whose interests are being promoted?”, “what particular social groups are portrayed as though they can do no wrong, and no harsh word may ever be spoken of them?”, “which groups are portrayed in movies and TV shows as sympathetic characters, and from which groups are the villains drawn?”, and so on.

I am a very careful consumer of mass media and entertainment.

 

[EndTimes]

Yet, wasn’t Marx Jewish as were also many devotees of Marxism?

I’d agree that none of those who’d embraced Marxism and/or Communism,
would I too consider ‘fully faithful’

Re: Marxism and its Daughters…

The Russian Revolution not only caused problems amongst some Jews,
the Humongous Destructions and Murders against the ROChurch
is as an immense AntiChristian Event… ushering in Atheism and much more.

 

[GraceJ]

Re. to the OP:
If your daughter is still a teen or younger, please get her off of random internet chat rooms & social media and strictly monitor what she is doing online. Also limit it. The internet is not healthy for younger humans. As a college student, I am speaking from experience.
Also, being a girly girl is not a requirement for anything. If she doesn’t to be one, no big deal.
However, I definitely recommend doing some thorough teaching on the Catholic faith, starting with the Bible, early Church history, and the Church’s stance on various modern issues. Additionally, go to Mass each Sunday, and go to regular confession. Pray at home with her.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Further retreating her child from the world without explaining why will only grow resentment. This is not what she should be doing. Her daughter needs to be taught healthy catholic living in the modern world, not how to hide from it.

 

[Anrakyr]

I observe what goes on in society, and what kind of messages the media feed us in every way they can, and ask myself “whose interests are being promoted?”, “what particular social groups are portrayed as though they can do no wrong, and no harsh word may ever be spoken of them?”, “which groups are portrayed in movies and TV shows as sympathetic characters, and from which groups are the villains drawn?”, and so on.

You instead should be asking:
“What can I learn from this. Is there truth in it.”

Just because a drunk old senile man warns the mine is going to collapses doesn’t mean he’s not correct. That’s logical fallacy of damning the source.

Yes there are always people who can flagellate the truth. However that doesn’t mean people are more wrong because of it. You may place them in higher scrutiny but that doesn’t mean you should stop listening.

Say what you want about the so-called and gay agenda the reality of the matter is there a group who has in history been persecuted and need special protection. you might be uncomfortable with some of the things I have to say or believe but they are human citizens with the dignity and right to feel safe. As a minority they have to display the pride in themselves in order to receive respect.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

You instead should be asking:
“What can I learn from this. Is there truth in it.”

Of course there is truth in it. Of course the various “identity groups” do have some valid grievances and concerns. I don’t deny that for an instant. I listen to what they have to say. It would be unjust not to. That is not what I am talking about.

I am referring to the tendency of the media, and other guiders of public opinion, to have its “darlings” and to promote their interests single-mindedly, without balance, demonizing those groups who have traditionally held all of the power and influence in society — more than they should have at times.

I seek balance. Yes, Group X has a point. They have been treated badly. Let’s treat them better. Let’s give them a seat at the table. Let’s make sure they have a place in the overall social power structure.

But to extrapolate from that “Group X can do no wrong”, “never speak ill of Group X, even when they do bad things”, “where Group X challenges the established order, Group X is just assumed to be right”, “it is wrong to suggest that Group X could have any failings or shortcomings” — that’s where I call foul on it.

There is a whole body of thought called “intersectionality”, that illustrates in more detail what I am talking about:

Intersectionality - Wikipedia

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

There are a lot of parental controls for the internet that have built-in parental control software, add-on monitoring software, web content filtering software, and internet blockers. These can usually be set up to block access to for computers, cell phone, ipad etc to specific websites that can prevent children from accessing. Don’t forget the cell phone (mini-computers) if you choose to look into this route.

Worth looking into as a parent, I don’t think it would be too late to do this. Alternatively you could seek information and recommendations from an non-profit organization that assists with educating people with online safety. Similar to what we have in New Zealand

https://www.netsafe.org.nz/

 

[Anrakyr]

There are a lot of parental controls for the internet that have built-in parental control software, add-on monitoring software, web content filtering software, and internet blockers. These can usually be set up to block access to for computers, cell phone, ipad etc to specific websites that can prevent children from accessing. Don’t forget the cell phone (mini-computers) if you choose to look into this route.

They don’t work and even if they did it’s not applicable in this case. The issue was her exposed to people, less so media.

I seek balance.

Good to hear.

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

They don’t work and even if they did it’s not applicable in this case. The issue was her exposed to people, less so media.

Yes they do work. If she discarded her dolls two years ago then Maria’s daughter must still be quite young. Maria states that her daughter has been on a online community promoting LBGT. There is no mention from the OP that she is meeting up with people face to face around LBGT issues.

 

[Anrakyr]

The op said meeting people in a game community.

And no, locking away the cookie jar is never full proof.

 

[TheHolyTrinity]

The op said meeting people in a game community.

The OP has only posted once and this is what she states. The child was on the net.

About to years ago she stumbled up on a game which took her to an online comunity which open the doors to a whole lot lgbt information and now she is convinced she is a lesbian.

 

[blackforest]

About to years ago she stumbled up on a game which took her to an online comunity which open the doors to a whole lot lgbt information and now she is convinced she is a lesbian.

Just so we’re clear, the Internet can’t convince somebody to become a lesbian. She may be confused about her identity and end up straight.

She may also be genuinely a lesbian, a scenario that could face even Catholic families. Because simply being gay isn’t a sin, your best bet is to consult with your priest and/or a Catholic counselor for guidance on how to proceed with raising her. https://www.catholictherapists.com/

 

[do_justly_love_mercy]

I can follow your reasoning up to a point. I think the reason why any attempt to win an election by trying gain the support of a coalition of minorities etc. is likely to fail is actually quite simple. Most people vote on the basis of their own person short- and medium-term gain. That is to say, most people will vote for the candidate whose policies are most likely to advance their own economic interests over the course of the next few years (or, perhaps more accurately, for the candidate whose policies they think will advance their own economic interests). For most people, this means voting for a candidate who favors lower taxes, lower public spending, and less regulation. Indeed, many people will support these kinds of policies not because they will actually benefit from them (some will probably suffer as a result of them), but because they hope that they will benefit from them.

The exception to this rule is probably the relatively small number of people who consistently vote for liberal left-wing candidates on genuinely ideological grounds. For example, lawyers, doctors, and college professors who earn a good wage, own their own homes, and have excellent medical insurance, but who vote for liberal left-wing candidates because they genuinely believe in the causes that they support.

It would therefore be a mistake to assume that every woman, every racial minority, every LGBT person, etc. will vote for a party whose policies favor women, racial minorities, and LGBT people. For some people, of course, issues such as reproductive rights, affirmative action, and equal marriage will be decisive factors, but I think that for most voters, the bottom line is the bottom line.

wasn’t Marx Jewish as were also many devotees of Marxism?

The idea that “many” Jews were Marxists was really nothing more than an antisemitic canard.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

For most people, this means voting for a candidate who favors lower taxes, lower public spending, and less regulation. Indeed, many people will support these kinds of policies not because they will actually benefit from them (some will probably suffer as a result of them), but because they hope that they will benefit from them.

You make an excellent point. Americans definitely do not want to pay taxes. Even among Canadians, who receive very generous social benefits, I have noticed that they incessantly complain about their politicians and their taxes. I do not mind paying taxes if society will derive benefits from them, and I do not mind taxes being raised, if that will ensure more benefits. Aside from the social issues where morality is at stake, I am actually quite liberal, as traditionalist Catholics go. If Bernie Sanders were pro-life, I would find him a very appealing candidate.

The exception to this rule is probably the relatively small number of people who consistently vote for liberal left-wing candidates on genuinely ideological grounds. For example, lawyers, doctors, and college professors who earn a good wage, own their own homes, and have excellent medical insurance, but who vote for liberal left-wing candidates because they genuinely believe in the causes that they support.

I believe in some of these causes myself, such as universal health insurance for those who want to participate (Pete Buttigieg has a splendid idea along these lines) and highly subsidized public mass transit to reduce dependence upon the automobile.

It would therefore be a mistake to assume that every woman, every racial minority, every LGBT person, etc. will vote for a party whose policies favor women, racial minorities, and LGBT people. For some people, of course, issues such as reproductive rights, affirmative action, and equal marriage will be decisive factors, but I think that for most voters, the bottom line is the bottom line.

And sometimes, due to the incessant drumbeats from the media, you would get the impression that the “coalition of the aggrieved” is stronger than it actually is. I was just thinking today that the small percentages (high single digits) of identity groups who do not vote according to their identity group’s perceived interests, are perhaps the reason as many conservative candidates win elections as they do.