Medjugorje bishop: reported apparitions are 'not credible' [CC]

[SAVINGRACE]

Music to the ears of the crowd down under.
35 years of contempt for the legitimate authority of two bishops, and disobedience.
Easily refuted arguments? Some examples?
By ignoring his “opinions”, you’re contributing to the contempt and disobedience. Our Lord set up His Church for a reason, and Heaven doesn’t ride roughshod over Her. Just ask Fr Manfred Hauke, Louis Belanger, Patrick Madrid, Donal Foley et al. These people, and the rest of us “sceptics” and "enemies of “Medjugorje” base our convictions on good evidence.
Donal Foley’s book “Medjugorje Revisited” is an eye-opener.

Hopefully, Vicka has thought up a better excuse than the original one she gave to explain her flinching during one of her “ecstasies”.

All of the calls to holiness, Eucharistic Adoration, more frequent Holy Communion etc could quite easily come from the mouth of Satan. He’s quite capable of telling the truth when it suits him: sucking in good, but unwary/gullible/ determined to believe, no matter what, people for his long-term gain.
Division. “Diabolical” comes from two words which mean “to tear apart”.

If the incidents were to stop, the game would be up, and no more Medjugorje gravy train.

it’s concerning, when people wilfully open themselves up to unknown spirits. I won’t visit Medjugorje unless there is an official statement released by the Vatican confirming it’s validity. I refuse to rebel against my Bishop and Priest who suggests the same and encourages patience and discernment.

 

[RosyAnne]

I’ve been very uneasy about Medjugorje because of the disobedience of all involved towards the local Bishop(s) since almost day one. The “bishop bad this” and “bishop wrong that” and “I know better than the bishop”. Our Lady would NEVER, EVER, EVER create or a cause a situation that would encourage disobedience to a shepherd of the Church OR allow it to continue…she knows how to make herself known in an unquestionable way to those who need to know.

Some people say: well what harm could something like this do even if it’s not true? It encourages vocations and Confession and more prayer and yada yada. Oh no, it can cause great harm if this isn’t a true appearance(s) of our Lady. It’s a distraction. It’s whistling and tickling ears “over here” when we should be focused and praying “over there”. And then the occasional drops of poison within the messages themselves.

I will fall in with whatever the Church decides, but…

 

[Ginny89]

I’ve been very uneasy about Medjugorje because of the disobedience of all involved towards the local Bishop(s) since almost day one. The “bishop bad this” and “bishop wrong that” and “I know better than the bishop”. Our Lady would NEVER, EVER, EVER create or a cause a situation that would encourage disobedience to a shepherd of the Church OR allow it to continue…she knows how to make herself known in an unquestionable way to those who need to know.

Some people say: well what harm could something like this do even if it’s not true? It encourages vocations and Confession and more prayer and yada yada. Oh no, it can cause great harm if this isn’t a true appearance(s) of our Lady. It’s a distraction. It’s whistling and tickling ears “over here” when we should be focused and praying “over there”. And then the occasional drops of poison within the messages themselves.

I will fall in with whatever the Church decides, but…

I have always had an issue with this ‘apparition’ for exactly the reasons you highlight and the stark difference in lifestyle these visionaries have compared to the visionaries of all other approved apparitions.

Think St. Juan Diego, St. Bernadette, the three children of Fatima, sister Agnes of Akita, the girl visionary of the approved apparition of Kibeho in Rwanda (they were not all approved) or Myrna of the Easter Apparitions of Damscus and Our lady of Soufanieh .

Never heard of tennis courts and other luxurious living arising from those apparitions flowing to the visionaries. It just doesn’t have the seem feel of the others, Medjugorje.

I personally will be scandalized if they are approved, given all the disobedience, errors attributed to the mother of God and monetary gains that have flown to the visionaries from these visions. My prayer is that Medjugorje is not approved.

 

[Fiasco]

I personally will be scandalized if they are approved, given all the disobedience, errors attributed to the mother of God and monetary gains that have flown to the visionaries from these visions. My prayer is that Medjugorje is not approved.

It can’t be approved while the “apparitions” are still going on, and i doubt they’ll stop because there’s too much money involved.
The local economy would suffer, including the trinket hawkers. What would the local “Hospitality” industry do? The professional “visionaries”?

After reading Donal Foley’s book: “Understanding Medjugorje” and later on, the revised edition, i have to agree with you about the disobedience etc.
Those who promote the thing rely too much on emotion and name-calling.

 

[RosyAnne]

It can’t be approved while the “apparitions” are still going on, and i doubt they’ll stop because there’s too much money involved.

My theory is … and this is if this is all a delusion or a scam … that the reason why there are regular and seemingly never ending apparitions is to hold off a final pronouncement of the Church. It’s brilliant actually.

I teeter sometimes between wondering if it’s a Communist hypnosis contrivance for unknown reasons…likely to weaken the Church (I know, bizarre lol), to wondering if it’s a demonic presence, to a human manipulation for material gain and attention (unlikely because so many are involved and for so many years).

Rome should have put the hammer down years ago and backed up the local Bishops. The Bishops around the world should have backed up their fellow bishops and forbid their priests from taking pilgrimage groups there (lending credibility). There is so much wrong here.

 

[RosyAnne]

and the stark difference in lifestyle these visionaries have compared to the visionaries of all other approved apparitions.

…

Never heard of tennis courts and other luxurious living arising from those apparitions flowing to the visionaries. It just doesn’t have the seem feel of the others, Medjugorje
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I wrote & erased & wrote & erased financial questions like these in my first post above. So many people, so many family members and friends that are reaping financially from this stuff. Livelihoods of entire families and the town itself may be totally wiped out if a negative pronouncement is made by Rome. Not necessarily completely since there will be many, many Catholics who “know better” and won’t “abandon” the virgin…they will still buy the books and the movie tickets and probably the pilgrimages too.

 

[Fiasco]

it’s concerning, when people wilfully open themselves up to unknown spirits. I won’t visit Medjugorje unless there is an official statement released by the Vatican confirming it’s validity. I refuse to rebel against my Bishop and Priest who suggests the same and encourages patience and discernment.

Speaking of spirits:
After this business started (in 1981), a number of women in the area felt oppressed by something unwholesome. They wanted an exorcism done, but their fears were laughed off by the men and the Franciscans. Some of the women then went off to “wisewomen” and purchased lucky charms to ward off the evil!!!
That part of the world is not the innocent, pious, tranquil rural area that the in-the-know promoters would have us believe.

It makes me shudder to think that Our Lady’s name may be associated with the demonic.

RosyAnne
i missed your post earlier,but:
Dead right! Prevent any definite end-of-story decision.

i feel that the demonic is or was involved in it.
It certainly should have been clobbered decades ago, and the two bishops supported, rather than left hanging by their fellow bishops, some allowing “apparitions” in their cathedrals.
It’s a dirty business.

 

[wild_thing]

I’ve been very uneasy about Medjugorje because of the disobedience of all involved towards the local Bishop(s) since almost day one. The “bishop bad this” and “bishop wrong that” and “I know better than the bishop”. Our Lady would NEVER, EVER, EVER create or a cause a situation that would encourage disobedience to a shepherd of the Church OR allow it to continue…she knows how to make herself known in an unquestionable way to those who need to know.

Some people say: well what harm could something like this do even if it’s not true? It encourages vocations and Confession and more prayer and yada yada. Oh no, it can cause great harm if this isn’t a true appearance(s) of our Lady. It’s a distraction. It’s whistling and tickling ears “over here” when we should be focused and praying “over there”. And then the occasional drops of poison within the messages themselves.

I will fall in with whatever the Church decides, but…

It is causing division and acrimony with the Church Body. The epitome of warfare is to divide and then conquer your enemy.

 

[commenter]

Prudence is the forgotten virtue. Everyone assumes reading a couple books on Medjugorje and/or spending a few days there in pilgrimage gives them a thorough knowledge of that diocese, the spiritual and social context, as well as the full authority of the Catholic Church as exercised by a bishop ordinary.

Of course it doesn’t!

Years ago, most Catholics who heard their favorite private devotion/revelation was unapproved by the Church, would have grumbled a little, then discouraged anyone from going there, and ceased agitating for it - against the Church. They might have felt the tug of the Holy Spirit calling them to obedience and humility, and gained grace from this experience.

Today, nobody - but **nobody **- wants to hear anything remotely about obedience and humility. Catholics have been assimilated to the secular media culture. The pope, bishop, pastor are only listened to when they tell us what we already “know”. If a bishop determines something we disapproved, we turn to the trusted media for dirt. OK, this bishop allowed his secretary to put her feet on the couch (like with Trump)…8 years ago maybe the bishop of Medjugorje got a PARKING TICKET…maybe he allowed the carpet in the cathedral to get worn out…

Thus, we the bishop-wannabes, with this criminal history pattern, can plainly see any decision by such an ordinary is just a suggestion, pending further discussion, and since the Vatican has expressed concerns over the crowds coming there, that proves we can reject the bishop’s decision on private revelations completely. Only if more people keep coming, that **proves **the private revelation is authentic.

 

[adamhovey1988]

Prudence is the forgotten virtue. Everyone assumes reading a couple books on Medjugorje and/or spending a few days there in pilgrimage gives them a thorough knowledge of that diocese, the spiritual and social context, as well as the full authority of the Catholic Church as exercised by a bishop ordinary.

Of course it doesn’t!

Years ago, most Catholics who heard their favorite private devotion/revelation was unapproved by the Church, would have grumbled a little, then discouraged anyone from going there, and ceased agitating for it - against the Church. They might have felt the tug of the Holy Spirit calling them to obedience and humility, and gained grace from this experience.

Today, nobody - but **nobody **- wants to hear anything remotely about obedience and humility. Catholics have been assimilated to the secular media culture. The pope, bishop, pastor are only listened to when they tell us what we already “know”. If a bishop determines something we disapproved, we turn to the trusted media for dirt. OK, this bishop allowed his secretary to put her feet on the couch (like with Trump)…8 years ago maybe the bishop of Medjugorje got a PARKING TICKET…maybe he allowed the carpet in the cathedral to get worn out…

Thus, we the bishop-wannabes, with this criminal history pattern, can plainly see any decision by such an ordinary is just a suggestion, pending further discussion, and since the Vatican has expressed concerns over the crowds coming there, that proves we can reject the bishop’s decision on private revelations completely. Only if more people keep coming, that **proves **the private revelation is authentic.

I will tell you that back when I had a Facebook there was a lady who was obsessed with the Bayside apparitions I pointed out that those were not Church approved apparitions and she just Shrugged It off. I have done a good bit of reading about Medjugorje and I have met people who are just fascinated with it. I have read some books on this issue but some of these were written fairly early during the supposed apparitions so I didn’t know a lot of the stuff that I’m reading here. I said it before though, it’s not my job to make the call whether or not they are authentic and I respect the position of the person who does.