Meghan McCain knocks Trump at John McCain's funeral service: 'America was always

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exnihilo said:
Who boasted of sexual assault?
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Donald Trump in the Access Hollywood tape.
exnihilo said:
McCain also had history of not treating people with respect. He had a notoriously bad temper.
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He also called up people up later and apologized. I think that is a major point to remember.
exnihilo said:
Again, there may be no heroes.
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No, there are heroes… John McCain is one. You can be a hero and/or act heroically and not be perfect. Perhaps, maybe, being a flawed person and doing the right thing/acting heroically is the thing to admire most about someone.
 
PaulinVA said:
Donald Trump in the Access Hollywood tape.
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No he didn’t. He stated a fact and certainly did not refer to an actual sexual assault.
PaulinVA said:
He also called up people up later and apologized. I think that is a major point to remember.
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That would be better than not apologizing. But apologizing doesn’t make it acceptable.
PaulinVA said:
No, there are heroes… John McCain is one.
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I find it interesting the left now loves McCain so much. I guess this is new religion because if they had really felt this way in 2008 he would not have lost to then unknown and unaccomplished Barack Obama. Back then he was called a horrible person. Strange his transformation since then.
 
Here’s one you didn’t list—

My family makes the majority of our income from a Catholic institution. The HHS contraceptive mandate was hanging over our heads. Our family and a lot of others, good people who weren’t hurting anybody, stood to lose a great deal from a HRC presidency.

Naturally, that doesn’t fit into your little predjudices, so it didn’t make the list.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
Here’s one you didn’t list—

My family makes the majority of our income from a Catholic institution. The HHS contraceptive mandate was hanging over our heads. Our family and a lot of others, good people who weren’t hurting anybody , stood to lose a great deal from a HRC presidency.

Naturally, that doesn’t fit into your little predjudices, so it didn’t make the list.
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Actually, it did make the list, as I specifically referred to people who objected to Obamacare (see #4).

I am interested in how this would have affected your family. By being forced to pay premiums for a health insurance policy offered by the Catholic institution that would have covered contraception?

As I completely oppose anyone being forced to either provide or pay for contraception coverage that they find immoral (Little Sisters of the Poor), I can understand someone voting against a Democrat who would have continued it.

What I will never understand is the continued full-throated support for such a dangerously ill-informed, would-be demagogue who has surrounded himself with grifters and crooks.
 
dixieagle said:
I am interested in how this would have affected your family. By being forced to pay premiums for a health insurance policy offered by the Catholic institution that would have covered contraception?
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I don’t know what your religion is.
But the Catholic Church teaches against contraception. (And no, I have no intention of going into the reasons why on this thread).
The mandate would have forced Catholic institutions to choose being shut down for non-compliance, or unable to provide health insurance as a beni (leading to not getting the best and most qualified employees), or to face back-breaking fines, or to betray their faith.

Also, it was a nasty little way to cast the Church in the role of the villain.

But I guess if Democrats support it, it’s suddenly “classy”.

In any case, I voted against HRC and have never regretted a single moment of it.
 
dixieagle said:
No. Never said that was the “only” reason. There were many reasons folks voted for Trump:
  1. They loathed Hillary and/or the Clintons in general. (Legit reason; she’s pro-abortion, with a sense of entitlement, among other things.)
  2. They were pro-life, especially in the “anti-abortion” sense of the phrase.
  3. They would never vote for any Democrat.
  4. They couldn’t stand Obama and Obamacare.
  5. They were fiscally conservative and thought a businessman could fix things.
  6. They wanted to “shake things up” and admired Trump’s “in-your-face”, “drain the swamp” attitude.
  7. They liked his plan to “build the wall.”
  8. They secretly shared some of Trump’s worst prejudices and attitudes and felt he legitimized them.
  9. They agreed with some of his policies and hoped that he would start to act “presidential” once in office, and that his advisors would influence him for the better.
Those are the first things that come to mind - there may be others. Some of them are understandable reasons for voting for a candidate, some (#8, particularly) are ugly.
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I agree there may be other issues as well, WHICH Trump keyed on as the campaign progressed.
  1. Veterans abuse by the VA.
  2. Smuggling of dope into the USA / opioid crisis … deaths of tens of thousands of Americans.
  3. Really poor foreign relations / spending 6 trillion in middle eastern wars with no measurable result.
  4. MS-13.
  5. Poor support for defense.
 
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bfc said:
Houses are selling like cheeseburgers–my friends put their house on the market and it sold the very same day for full asking price. Eight years ago, it would have sat on the market for at least a year, and probably they would have ended up taking the For Sale sign down and just sticking it out.
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My house lost all its value during the real estate recession in the Obama years. I had to rent it out for 10 years for it to regain enough of the original value to sell it. I was finally able to sell mine this year. It took me less than a month to find a buyer.
Maybe your price was too high for the market.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
I don’t know what your religion is.
But the Catholic Church teaches against contraception. (And no, I have no intention of going into the reasons why on this thread).
The mandate would have forced Catholic institutions to choose being shut down for non-compliance, or unable to provide health insurance as a beni (leading to not getting the best and most qualified employees), or to face back-breaking fines, or to betray their faith.

Also, it was a nasty little way to cast the Church in the role of the villain.

But I guess if Democrats support it, it’s suddenly “classy”.

In any case, I voted against HRC and have never regretted a single moment of it.
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First, I am a lifelong, pro-life Catholic, educated totally in Catholic institutions through college, active in my parish, with a husband who is a Byzantine Catholic seminary board member. I am very well familiar with Church teachings. I also understand what the mandate would have required. I asked how it would have affected your family, as I was interested.

I also voted against HRC, and voted 3rd Party (American Solidarity Party) as they had the most all-around acceptable pro-life-for-the-whole-life-platform and sensible positions on most issues. Just to clarify.
 
Again, not necessarily true. See Varian v. Deflino, also Montgomerry vs Risen, etc., in that case a FL court did not specify whether the cause of action was based on libel or slander when the defendant posted numerous comments on message boards defaming the plaintiff and reputation (cyberlaw, and posting false information on public forums is an area where something could be slander vs. libel and/or both).
 
Fair enough.
I got hot under the collar.:confused:

DH and I had had six years of anxiety over this, and it was a relief when HRC was not elected.
Yes, I’m very aware of Trump being rude, crude and lewd.
But I can’t bring myself to be sorry for how the election turned out.

The fact of the matter is, this was a wrenching decision for a lot of people. Neither candidate even won 50% of the popular vote. Our country is very wounded and hurting, for reasons that predate HRC vs DJT for decades.
This election brought out the worst extremes on both sides.
 
These were the two worst candidates in memory. If we, as Americans, can’t do better than this, something is very wrong.

My hope is that a decent, truly pro-life, intelligent opponent will challenge Trump and win, but I don’t hold out much hope.
 
mwigs said:
when the defendant posted numerous comments on message boards defaming the plaintiff and reputation
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Please. Let’s be serious. A public figure has a very high standard to prove defamation. One thing is to prove reckless disregard for the truth. What I posted was truthful.

Second, do you seriously believe Donald Trump has a reputation that can be defamed?
 
7_Sorrows said:
My house lost all its value during the real estate recession in the Obama years.
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Here is a nice tool.


Looking at the Phoenix area, as an example,
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there was a bump in prices and sales just before the Bush recession, followed by a major dip in it when the recession hit. Precise were vary close to pre-bump/recession trend lines by 2013, and sales already. Sales were ~20% lower than the pre-bump/recession trend lines still in 2014 but had risen back since then.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
DH and I had had six years of anxiety over this, and it was a relief when HRC was not elected.
Yes, I’m very aware of Trump being rude, crude and lewd.
But I can’t bring myself to be sorry for how the election turned out.
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Trump is all of those things. What I find baffling is that people ignore other politicians who do the same. And Trump isn’t even the worst president as far as this goes. LBJ was awful. There is a tape of him ordering pants that removes any illusion that the White House is occupied by dignified men.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
The mandate would have forced Catholic institutions to choose being shut down for non-compliance, or unable to provide health insurance as a beni (leading to not getting the best and most qualified employees), or to face back-breaking fines, or to betray their faith.
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i disagree tht any Catholic was faced with those choices only. In particular, I don’t think that remote material cooperation with the contraception mandate - however much we might lie and work to see it reversed - represents a betrayal of the Catholic faith.

http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showr...ums=5&Experts=0&Days=3000&Keyword=cooperation

www.catholicculture.org

Is It Immoral to Purchase Health Insurance with HHS Mandate Coverage?

In the wake of my recent commentary (Civil Disobedience and Health Care), some readers have begun to ask: “Is it immoral to purchase health insurance which implements the HHS mandate to provide coverage for contraception, sterilization and abortifacient drugs?” I will attempt to answer that...
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The conversation wasn’t about the standards to prove an offense/damages occurred, also what you posted wasn’t truthful. Everyone has a reputation that can be defamed.
 
dvdjs said:
I don’t think that remote material cooperation with the contraception mandate - however much we might lie and work to see it reversed - represents a betrayal of the Catholic faith.
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So you just let the government tell you what you may believe?

Have fun with that
 
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