Meghan McCain knocks Trump at John McCain's funeral service: 'America was always

[niceatheist]

I wouldn’t argue that Trump is classy. But I don’t see class in most people, especially politicians. Why shouldn’t Trump tweet during a funeral he wasn’t invited to, for a man who was his political enemy who passed on salacious and apparently false spy documents about him, and where his daughter took the opportunity to make political digs at him?

A Catholic has to ask that question?

 

[mwigs]

A Catholic has to ask that question?

Trump wasn’t doing anything different than he normally does the day of McCain’s funeral by tweeting. I guess he was supposed to keep quiet for the entire day, but then liberals would have said he was home pouting all day if Trump did that…

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Yes it does if the specifics of how they are similar is mentioned. And people have mentioned things like how McCain cheated on his first, disfigured wife with his last wife.

LeafByNiggle:

The “night and day” I refer to is in regard to selfless public service and the willingness to see the good in those with whom he disagreed and work with them anyway. I could go on, but these will do for now, because they are huge differences.

Ah, well Trump has served the public his whole life too.

If you call starting with a big gift from his daddy and leveraging that gift to make himself very very rich by doing nothing other than ordering other people around and threatening to fire them and declaring backruptcy and getting out of his debts, all to fund his lavish life style - if you call that public service, then sure. He served the public.

As for selfless I don’t see how you measure that. McCain got tremendous power and wealth from his work. So did Trump.

How much money did McCain get from flying missions in Viet Nam? He was by any measure as selfless as any public servant has every been.

 

[upant]

How much money did McCain get from flying missions in Viet Nam? He was by any measure as selfless as any public servant has every been.

How much did McCain get from his rich new daddy-in-law. Some say he married only for the money. The money defined the politician.

McCain was cleared of acting improperly

So why was he bought? How many free vacations did he take from keating?

Cleared does not mean innocent.

 

[exnihilo]

If you call starting with a big gift from his daddy and leveraging that gift to make himself very very rich by doing nothing other than ordering other people around and threatening to fire them and declaring backruptcy and getting out of his debts, all to fund his lavish life style - if you call that public service, then sure. He served the public.

McCain’s daddy was an admiral. So was his granddaddy. So by your reasoning McCain’s accomplishments should also be dismissed.

But I really don’t understand your criticism. Both men accomplished what they did by ordering other people around. Both built in what men before had made. Neither started from nothing. But do you only admire people who start from nothing? If so almost no one can be admired.

How much money did McCain get from flying missions in Viet Nam? He was by any measure as selfless as any public servant has every been.

You are the one reducing the value of life to how much money you get from something. One can be selfish and poor. In fact a lot of people are poor precisely because they are selfish.

I for one don’t consider the bombing of Vietnam as a good thing. Therefore I can’t see the participants as doing something noble. The war certainly didn’t benefit the American people.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

How much money did McCain get from flying missions in Viet Nam? He was by any measure as selfless as any public servant has every been.

How much did McCain get from his rich new daddy-in-law. Some say he married only for the money. The money defined the politician.

Deflection. You challenged the fact that McCain acted selflessly. I gave you an example which you ignored.

McCain was cleared of acting improperly

So why was he bought? How many free vacations did he take from keating?

Cleared does not mean innocent.

And your saying he was “bought” doesn’t make him guilty. He received gifts. Do you have any evidence that those gifts bought the giver undue favors?

 

[upant]

Or not. No one seems to be willing to address the moral issue without conflating the political one or even calling it a moral issue. Or to discuss the contents of the links I posted

The article title deals with buying insurance. The issue is making catholic businesses offer the contraceptives

Being mandated to have it is why the bishops are against it.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Well said,Seven Sorrows

 

[upant]

Deflection. You challenged the fact that McCain acted selflessly. I gave you an example which you ignored.

Your example doesn’t show he was selfless. He was reckless as a pilot. He was in it for family legacy. Did he stick with his injured wife? That would have been a selfless act. No he run around on her and moved on to an opportunity of money and fame. They all expected him to be president some day. That is why keating bought him.

And your saying he was “bought” doesn’t make him guilty. He received gifts. Do you have any evidence that those gifts bought the giver undue favors?

Why did keating give McCain’s father-in-law a sweetheart deal?

It is history now

Bing it

 

[dvdjs]

Being mandated to have it is why the bishops are against it.

I understand why we oppose contraception. I understand why we think it is a bad thing for society as a whole - even for those who do not share our beliefs. I understand why Catholics would politically oppose the mandate.

What is not clear, however, is that participating in insurance schemes that include the coverage is anything other than remote material cooperation and certainly not a betrayal of the Catholic faith.

 

[upant]

What is not clear, however, is that participating in insurance schemes that include the coverage is anything other than remote material cooperation and certainly not a betrayal of the Catholic faith.

It is remote as a consumer. It is not as a business owner according to 160 bishops. Why did the little sisters of the poor go to court over it

 

[starshiptrooper]

Apparently dying makes you immune to criticism no matter how terrible of a person you were. I suspect that this standard will not be applied to President Trump.

 

[dvdjs]

It is not as a business owner according to 160 bishops.

Not according to anything stated in your link.
And given the simple fact that no beneficiary is required to use the coverage, there is no real question that this material cooperation is remote if it even exists.

Why did the little sisters of the poor go to court over it

Presumably, because they thought this manner of opposition to be a better course than remote material cooperation.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Did McCain grow up in poverty? His Mom
was from a wealthy oil family. His second wife was very wealthy. His second wife’s
father owned an alcohol distributorship.
I don’t think John McCain died a poor man.

 

[Inisfallen]

Cleared does not mean innocent.

Does that apply across the board, or only to those with whom you disagree politically?

 

[exnihilo]

It is odd. It is almost like liberals want to suddenly add McCain to the pagan art in our capitol.

The Apotheosis of Washington - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[starshiptrooper]

That is a neat piece of art, I would love to see it in person. Fun fact, the fasces were a very common motif used in American art until WWII.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Did McCain grow up in poverty? His Mom
was from a wealthy oil family. His second wife was very wealthy. His second wife’s
father owned an alcohol distributorship.
I don’t think John McCain died a poor man.

I didn’t say McCain was poor. I said he was selfless in his service to this country.

 

[upant]

Does that apply across the board, or only to those with whom you disagree politically?

i think all politicians are crooked to some extent.

i think all the ethics committee does is protect their own. every now and then an example is made but i don’t see it as the norm. like mccain, he didn’t meet the regulators against keating.

how do you go in high middle class and come out of office wealthy

 

[mwigs]

McCain was on 3rd base and couldn’t make it home, Trump was up at bat and made it home.