Meghan McCain knocks Trump at John McCain's funeral service: 'America was always

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i disagree tht any Catholic was faced with those choices only. In particular, I don’t think that remote material cooperation with the contraception mandate - however much we might lie and work to see it reversed - represents a betrayal of the Catholic faith.
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You are in agreement with Obama and against the Little Sisters. I think you have said as much before. The writer of your article admits the HHS mandate is immoral. he just says it’s okay anyhow because it’s nearly impossible to avoid paying for the immoral coverage.

" it seems clear to me that the purchase of health insurance which includes some elements of immoral coverage is a matter of remote material cooperation with evil in a situation where it is all but impossible to avoid "

But is he right about this or is this just moral relativism?

he adds:

“With respect to its violations of the natural law, the law is intrinsically immoral, and with respect to its increasing level of coercion of both businesses (including the insurance companies themselves) and individuals, it can be strongly argued to be immoral based on well-informed prudential judgment—as a case in which, despite the constant bumping of individual rights against the common good, the State has clearly gone too far.”

Ultimately, he just says healthcare is so important we can do immoral things.
 
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You are in agreement with Obama and against the Little Sisters. I think you have said as much before. The writer of your article admits the HHS mandate is immoral.
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If the question is, “Is it immoral to purchase health insurance which implements the HHS mandate to provide coverage for contraception, sterilization and abortifacient drugs?”, is it immoral for me to purchase insurance on the market that provides the same coverages (and also includes coverage for abortion)? Because I do, and I have my wife and children on the plan.
 
I just looked up his 2008 campaign slogans, I can better see why he lost.
  • “Country First”
  • “Reform, prosperity and peace”
Not very catchy or visionary vs the Obama slogans: “Hope”, Change We Can Believe In", “Change”, Change We Need", “Yes We Can”

McCain’s ‘Country First’ message fits with Trump’s message though.
 
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Ridgerunner said:
You are in agreement with Obama and against the Little Sisters.
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I am not sure what informs your assessment, but have nothing against the actions that the Little sisters took, even if I don’t agree with all of their arguments.
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But is he right about this or is this just moral relativism?
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Catholic moral theology is not moral relativism.

Catholics believe that contraception is immoral, and as citizens may opt in the public sphere to have those moral ideas embedded into civil law. That is a political option. The idea, however, that it is a betrayal of faith to undertake conduct, under appropriate circumstances, that is properly considered remote material cooperation with an immoral act, is not correct.
 
It’s not just paying for contraceptives. It’s paying for abortifacients. The Sisters believed they had a moral duty not to support that, and they were right in thinking it. Obama had no good reason at all to require it of them, but he did anyway. It’s imaginable that the Little Sisters have a better idea of what’s morally permissible and what isn’t.
 
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It’s not just paying for contraceptives. It’s paying for abortifacients.
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Either way.

And what is paid for is coverage. Who would know if an employee obtained and used contraceptives under a plan any more than they know if the salary paid to them was used in that manner.?
 
Are you acknowledging McCain was unethical, or claiming politics on twitter is unethical?
 
Point being,
Look at the cast of people who WERE there at the funeral … and even sitting in the front row.
 
This should be engraved on stone tablets and obelisks to be erected at every intersection in every town and city in this nation.

Especially Washington.
 
Same here. I make my living in the IT field.

But Twitter? Really, adding 10,000 monkeys to Twitter would only improve it.
 
Sarah Palin his running mate when McCain was running for president, was also not invited.
 
Since neither you nor I know what went on between them after the election, it is possible that there is a reason there.
 
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Since neither you nor I know what went on between them after the election, it is possible that there is a reason there.
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True.

All I’m saying,

We heard example after example in the eulogies given, how McCain forgave and forgot. As I understand, John planned his own funeral.
 
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You don’t need dice or a board. All you need are good Progressive values, the ability to virtue-signal, and of course, deep visceral hatred of Donald J. Trump and all he stands for. But I repeat myself.

One player is chosen to be The Deceased. The others will take turns eulogizing (or progulogizing) The Deceased.

The object of the game is to progulogize The Deceased by trashing Trump—but without mentioning Trump’s name—because seriously, who wants to make a celebration of one’s life, or any occasion, for that matter, all about Trump?

Nothing poops a party like the mention of his name.

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Once everyone has had a chance to progulogize The Deceased, why, you just pick someone new and start all over. We can have fun for HOURS! I mean, we’re progs—it’s not as if we have jobs to go to or anything.

Commissarka Pinkie is a longtime contributor to The People’s Cube, and is dedicated to raising awareness of how much she cares. When she isn’t busy making an issue out of everything, she enjoys jumping on bandwagons, spending other people’s money, and searching tirelessly for something to offend her.
 
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Commissarka Pinkie i s a longtime contributor to The People’s Cube, and is dedicated to raising awareness of how much she cares. When she isn’t busy making an issue out of everything, she enjoys jumping on bandwagons, spending other people’s money, and searching tirelessly for something to offend her.
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Friends, Progressives, Internationalists! Lend my your ears!

I come here today not to praise Pinkie, but to bury her! For yon egotistical, sub-moronic, worse-literally-than-Hitler, stupid, jingoistic, nationalistic, racist, misogynistic, rich, capitalist, fat, badly-tanned, wanna-be-dictator, twittering, Nazi-who-colludes-with-Russia-which-used-to-be-cool-before-we-lost-the-election-but-now-is-really-bad-because-Hillary-should-have-won hath said that Pinkie was ambitious!

And egotistical, sub-moronic, worse-literally-than-Hitler, stupid, jingoistic, nationalistic, racist, misogynistic, rich, capitalist, fat, badly-tanned, wanna-be-dictator, twittering, Nazi-who-colludes-with-Russia-which-used-to-be-cool-before-we-lost-the-election-but-now-is-really-bad-because-Hillary-should-have-won is an honorable man…They are ALL honorable men.
 
Theo520 said:
Commissarka Pinkie i s a longtime contributor to The People’s Cube, and is dedicated to raising awareness of how much she cares. When she isn’t busy making an issue out of everything, she enjoys jumping on bandwagons, spending other people’s money, and searching tirelessly for something to offend her.
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We are gathered this day to mourn the passing of our beloved Commissarka Pinkie. When she tweeted, it was uplifting and encouraging to humanity and the environment. She didn’t misspell words or make up new ones in hateful, juvenile, jealous tweet bashings of others.

Pinkie loved the downtrodden, and she never would dream of building a significantly higher wall around her humble dacha to alienate the oppressed, torture them in what has been described as concentration camps, and heartlessly deport them.

Pinkie was an open-minded and generous patron of the arts. She loved all expressions of free speech and gazed with an indulgent smile on all depictions of presidential assassinations no matter how gruesome some thin-skinned politician might find them.

Alas, there lies Pinkie, the very voice of reason, who leaves us her example to combat the racism, hatred, intolerance, xenophobia, homophobia, Islamophobia, mediaphobia, and misogyny that has so lately stained the political landscape of our always great nation.
 
In this case Trump was not just not invited he was un invited.

As to Trumps comments, I agree. At times he goes over the line
 
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Yet McCain, being the one spoken about, was reported to forgive and forget even his most difficult opponents.
 
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