Melchizedek

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I’m just questioning the validity of this reasoning.

One offers sacrifice to one’s superior. For Abram to offer sacrifice to a Jebusite king implies that Abram owed fealty to that king. As I mentioned, Abram didn’t want to owe anything to the Canaanites in any way, shape, or form. That’s why he went back to his homeland to find a wife for Isaac. That’s why he was so adamant not to owe any favors to the Canaanites when he was trying to get a burial plot for Sarah.

Melchizedek, if he was Shem, was Abraham’s superior and would not be a Jebusite.
(1) I never said Abram was offering sacrifices TO Melchizedek, as if he were some sort of god or something. Cearly though, Genesis considers Mel. a High Priest, which is why Abe goes to him.
(2) I don’t know where you get the idea that Melchizedek was of Shem (or Shem himself; if that‘s what you mean). Melchizedek lived after Noah’s sons. Besides, I think I have some good reasons for him being a Jebusite, which means he was of Ham: Ham-Canaan-Jebusites. I guess you should try addressing my points I made previously if you think Melchizedek wasn’t a Jebusite.
 
(1) I never said Abram was offering sacrifices TO Melchizedek, as if he were some sort of god or something. Cearly though, Genesis considers Mel. a High Priest, which is why Abe goes to him.
(2) I don’t know where you get the idea that Melchizedek was of Shem (or Shem himself; if that‘s what you mean). Melchizedek lived after Noah’s sons. Besides, I think I have some good reasons for him being a Jebusite, which means he was of Ham: Ham-Canaan-Jebusites. I guess you should try addressing my points I made previously if you think Melchizedek wasn’t a Jebusite.
Two points:
  1. Oops. I meant “Tribute”, not “Sacrifice”. Abram paid tribute to Melchizedek.
  2. As Spirithound pointed out (as well as a few others on this thread), Shem was still alive when Abraham was around, even living a few decades after Abraham’s death. It would make perfect sense for Abram for Abram to pay tribute to his multi-great grandfather.
 
I think I have some good reasons for him being a Jebusite, which means he was of Ham: Ham-Canaan-Jebusites. I guess you should try addressing my points I made previously if you think Melchizedek wasn’t a Jebusite.
Canaan and his descendents were cursed by God (through Noah). Melchizedek would not be a descendent of the cursed Canaan. The land of Canaan was promised to Abraham and his descendants. Abraham would not pay tribute to any person who is illegitimately inhabiting Canaan.
 
Since we’re debating Mel’s lineage now:

The Cave of Treasures and the Book of the Bee make Mel the son of Malah, brother of Salah son of Cainan, son of Arpachshad, son of Shem. Here’s a chart of the genealogy:

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The Ethiopian Book of Adam meanwhile makes Mel to be the other son of Cainan instead of Malah - and adds the detail about the pre-incarnate Word of God Himself consecrating Mel to the priesthood. The Melkite patriarch Eutychius of Alexandria in his Nazm al-Gawahir (Chaplet of Pearls) makes Mel the son of a Phalek. The author of The Bee, Mar Solomon was well aware of the curse of Canaan, because he noted that:

Neither the father nor mother of this Melchizedek were written down in the genealogies; not that he had no natural parents, but that they were not written down. The greater number of the doctors say that he was of the seed of Canaan, whom Noah cursed. In the book of Chronography, however, (the author) affirms and says that he was of the seed of Shem the son of Noah. Shem begat Arphaxar, Arphaxar begat Cainan, and Cainan begat Shâlâh and Mâlâh, Shâlâh was written down in the genealogies; but Mâlâh was not, because his affairs were not sufficiently important to be written down in the genealogies.

By the way, I’ve come yet another interesting story about Melchizedek; this one is attributed to St. Athanasius, if I recall it right.

There was once a queen in Salem whose son was named Salaad. Salaad in turn had a son caled Melchi, who had two sons by his wife named Salem: Melchi (Jr.) and Melchizedek. Now, this royal family was originally idolatrous: Mel only became aware of the true God through observation of the heavens and nature and renounced his idols. He ran away from home to avoid the fate of his brother (who was sacrificed to the seven planets), went up Mt. Tabor and asked God to punish those who had slain Melchi Jr., whereupon the earth opened up and swallowed all of Mel’s family: thus Melchizedek became “without father or mother”. He lived almost naked in a forest on the mountain for seven years until his back ‘like that of a tortoise’. It was in this state that Abram found him. Abram fetched him, pared his nails and clothed him in priestly garments: in return for this kindness, Melchizedek then blessed Abram and gave “a cup of pure wine and a morsel of bread to him and the three-hundred and eighteen men who were with him” (the 318 men is apparently made out to be a prefigurement of the number of the council fathers who attended the Council of Nicaea). This tradition was apparently known in some form to the Armenian abbot Gregory of Datev, aka Grigor Tatevatsi (1346-1411), venerated as a saint in the Armenian Church. In his book Kirk Hartzmantz (The Book of Questions), he wrote that:

Melchizedek’s father was called Melchi, and his mother Sala; and they dwelt at Salem. From his birth he was consecrated to idols, but he was carried away to Mount Tabor, and fed there until he was grown up. One day a cloud descended from the mountain, and a hand stretched out of the cloud, ordained him priest saying, “Melchizedek, without father, mother or kindred, and like unto the Son of God;” because having been taken from his parents when quite a child, he had grown unlike them, not knowing them, and unknown to them. His dwelling was on Mount Golgotha where he sowed wheat with his own hands and made his own wine, so that when Abraham met him, he brought out to him some unleavened bread still warm and some wine; a figure of the Lord’s supper.

Gregory goes on:

But why does St. Ephrem in his writings say that Melchizedek was Shem (cf. Commentary on Genesis 11.2)? He had not two names neither is he a different person. But Irinos (St. Irenaeus?) gives the reason which is difficult to understand. Noah blessed Shem, but Shem had no son like himself to bless. Abraham, however, was of the family of Shem, and worthy of a blessing. But Shem was not then living, to bless him; and Terah could not bless. So Melchizedek took Shem’s place and did what Shem would have done: he blessed Abraham, and was called Shem.

Okay, henceforth I’ll try to refrain from discussing any more stories about who Mel actually was since it’s apparently muddling the discussion. Sorry about the disturbance.
 
  1. As Spirithound pointed out (as well as a few others on this thread), Shem was still alive when Abraham was around, even living a few decades after Abraham’s death. It would make perfect sense for Abram for Abram to pay tribute to his multi-great grandfather.
According to Genesis 11:10-11 (NAB):

When Shem was one hundred years old, he became the father of Arpachshad, two years after the flood. Shem lived five hundred years after the birth of Arpachshad, and he had other sons and daughters.

This makes Shem to be the time of his death 600 years old. Now:
  • “When Arpachshad was thirty-five years old, he became the father of Shelah.” Shem is 135 years of age at this time.
  • “When Shelah was thirty years old, he became the father of Eber.” Shem is now 165.
  • “When Eber was thirty-four years old, he became the father of Peleg.” Shem’s age is 199.
  • “When Peleg was thirty years old, he became the father of Reu.” 229 years old and counting…
  • “When Reu was thirty-two years old, he became the father of Serug.” Two-hundred and sixty-one!
  • “When Serug was thirty years old, he became the father of Nahor.” Age 291.
  • “When Nahor was twenty-nine years old, he became the father of Terah.” 320…
  • “When Terah was seventy years old, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.” Shem’s now living for 390 years.
  • “Abram was seventy-five years old when he left Haran.” Shem: 465.
  • (Unspecified period of time from Genesis 12:9ff-13)
  • An invading force led by Chedorlaomer king of Elam, attacked and subdued the Cities of the Plain, forcing them to pay tribute. After twelve years, these cities rebelled. The following year Chedorlaomer and his allies returned, defeating the rebels and taking many captive, including Lot. Abram assembled his men and chased after the invaders, defeating them in Hobah, north of Damascus (Genesis 14).
So yep, Shem could have been still alive and well at the time of Abram, if we take the Hebrew text. But if we follow the Septuagint, here is what would happen (also check this site):

“And Sem was a hundred years old when he begot Arphaxad, the second year after the flood. And Sem lived, after he had begotten Arphaxad, five hundred years, and begot sons and daughters, and died.” We’re still in pretty similar territory here: 600 years for Shem.
  • “And Arphaxad lived a hundred and thirty-five years, and begot Kainan.” This would make Shem 235.
  • “And Kainan lived a hundred and thirty years and begot Sala.” Shem is now 365!
  • “And Sala lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot Eber.” Shem: 495 years old.
  • “And Eber lived a hundred and thirty-four years and begot Phalek.” Since Shem’s lifespan was 600 years, he has already apparently died 19 years before Heber fathered Peleg in the Greek.
  • “And Phalek lived a hundred and thirty years and begot Ragau.”
  • “And Ragau lived a hundred thirty and two years, and begot Serouch.”
  • “And Seruch lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot Nachor.”
  • “And Nachor lived a hundred and seventy-nine years, and begot Tharra.”
  • “And Tharra lived seventy years, and begot Abram, and Nachor, and Arran.”
  • “And Abram was seventy-five years old, when he went out of Charran.”
  • (Unspecified period of time from Genesis 12:9ff-13)
  • The events of Genesis 14.
In the Septuagint, which has extra 100 years in the ages of the patriarchs and even an extra patriarch (Kainan), Shem was already dead at the time of Abram for more than seven centuries!

Now Josephus’ reckoning generally follows the Septuagint version, but with a few differences:
  • Shem fathered Arpachshad twelve years after the flood; hence, he was age 112.
  • Serug had Nahor at age 132.
  • Nahor fathered Haran at age 120.
 
Okay, henceforth I’ll try to refrain from discussing any more stories about who Mel actually was since it’s apparently muddling the discussion. Sorry about the disturbance.
No, I don’t think YOU’VE muddled the discussion. It sounds like the Septuagint muddled the discussion.

Can anyone account for the HUGE discrepancy in the differences of time?
 
No, I don’t think YOU’VE muddled the discussion. It sounds like the Septuagint muddled the discussion.

Can anyone account for the HUGE discrepancy in the differences of time?
Well, here’s an excerpt I found from the Catholic Encyclopedia (under the article ‘Patriarch’):

…Comparing the Massoretic text with the Septuagint, we find that in the latter the birth of the first-born in the case of Adam, Seth, Enos, Cainan, Malaleel, and Henoch was at the respective ages of 230, 205, 190, 170, 165, and 165, as against 130, 105, 90, 70, 65, and 65 as stated in the Hebrew, and the same systematic difference of 100 years in the period before the birth of the first-born appears likewise in the lives of the postdiluvian patriarchs, Arphaxad, Sale, Heber, Phaleg, Reu, and Sarug. For this list, however, the Samaritan agrees with the Septuagint as against the Massoretic text.

Here’s a comparison:



The idea that Shem is still alive at the time of Abraham apparently rests on the Masoretic reckoning.
 
Actually, Shem’s life overlaps Abraham’s by around 110 years.
  1. As Spirithound pointed out (as well as a few others on this thread), Shem was still alive when Abraham was around, even living a few decades after Abraham’s death. It would make perfect sense for Abram for Abram to pay tribute to his multi-great grandfather.
I guess that depends on which numbers you are using. Are we going by the Masoretes? The LXX? The SP? A couple of those versions are trying to alter the numbers because people before the flood are living through the flood (which explains the differences between the versions that Patrick is pointing out)! Besides, I don’t think those ages in Genesis are literal ages. They fit within the category of other ancient near east kings lists that have exaggerated legths of kings lives for some purpose (eg, Sumerian King list). The reason for other ancient kings list is to legitimate their chosenness by the gods. For the Israelites the reasoning is similiar; they are using this list of exaggerated numbers to legitimate their chosen status to their contemporaries. So, they are saying “no, these guys haven’t been chosen by God, we have”. There are other problems with Genesis genealogies as well.

Gen 4:
Cain - Enoch - Irad - Mehujael - Methushael - Lamech.
Gen 5:
Seth - Enosh - Kenan- Mahalalel - Irad - Enoch - Methusalah - Lamech

Looks like strangely similiar lists.

There is no reason to identify Shem with Melchizedek anyway.
Canaan and his descendents were cursed by God (through Noah). Melchizedek would not be a descendent of the cursed Canaan. The land of Canaan was promised to Abraham and his descendants. Abraham would not pay tribute to any person who is illegitimately inhabiting Canaan.
But that’s what it appears is happening. You still haven’t addressed my arguments; you have chosen to just offer some conjecture.
Since we’re debating Mel’s lineage now:

The Cave of Treasures and the Book of the Bee make Mel the son of Malah, brother of Salah son of Cainan, son of Arpachshad, son of Shem. Here’s a chart of the genealogy:
And why is the Book of Bee accurate? It certainly can’t be because of it’s date.
Neither the father nor mother of this Melchizedek were written down in the genealogies; not that he had no natural parents, but that they were not written down. The greater number of the doctors say that he was of the seed of Canaan, whom Noah cursed. In the book of Chronography, however, (the author) affirms and says that he was of the seed of Shem the son of Noah. Shem begat Arphaxar, Arphaxar begat Cainan, and Cainan begat Shâlâh and Mâlâh, Shâlâh was written down in the genealogies; but Mâlâh was not, because his affairs were not sufficiently important to be written down in the genealogies.
(1) I find it interesting that I would fall in with the majority of Bee’s contemporaries.
(2) How does Bee come to calculate Mel as being the son of Malah? Melchizedek’s genealogy is noticibly not explicity listed (as Hebrews happily points out). Melchizedek comes long after Mahalalel.
(3) In chapter 21, Bee is obviously an anachronistic apologetic as to why Melchizedek’s parents aren’t listed anywhere. The Book of Bee is trying to counter the speculation of his day that Melchizedek was something other than human, “NEITHER the father nor mother of this Melchizedek were written down in the genealogies; not that he had no natural parents but that they were not written down” (sacred-texts.com/chr/bb/bb21.htm). Bee procedes to tell us who the father and mother of Melchizedek were! Bee counters the speculation of his day by constructing Melchizedek’s genealogy. But there is not reason to accept this as anything other than the obvious apologetic that it is. It’s not an accurate reflection of Melchizedek’s genealogy; it’s a debating trick. I do agree with the point Bee was making though, that is, that Melchizedek was a human guy contrary to people’s speculation in Bee’s day (and oddly enough, how many still today speculate about Melchizedek).
(4) If it’s uncomfortable that Abram considers a Jebusite a High Priest, just imagine how uncomfortable it would have been for Second Temple Jews when the book of Hebrews drives his point home. And contrary to one poster on this thread, the Jebusites were not in the land illegally in Abram’s day, Gen 15:16 “In the fourth generation your descendants will return here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its limit”. They weren’t “illegal” for another 4 generations.
(5) Patrick, you do realize that you’ve provided 3 different and conflicting stories, right?
 
This is related to the tribute conversation that was going on. Someone correct me if I’m wrong. At the time, priestly authority was rooted in the authority structure of family. The father of the family conducted public rights of worship, and his sons became his successors in the ministry. In other words the Patriarchs are not a professional class of clerical priests, which means fathers were exercising spiritual leadership on behalf of the family.

Is Melchizedek the exception to this?

Here is another thing I’m wondering about. Melchizedek’s bread and wine was probably a thank offering made to God Most High in gratitude for a successful mission- a sacrifice consumed by the priest and participant. Then Abraham reciprocates by giving a tithe of spoils. It seems he gives it because a spiritual service has been performed.

Is that what is going on?
 
But that’s what it appears is happening. You still haven’t addressed my arguments; you have chosen to just offer some conjecture.
Sorry, can you tell me which post has the points that I haven’t addressed, merely conjecturing instead? 😉
 
Sorry, can you tell me which post has the points that I haven’t addressed, merely conjecturing instead? 😉
Just to show that my point of Shem being Melchizedek is not merely conjecture, I got this from AgapeBibleStudy.Com
According to the Jewish Oral Tradition and to Catholic theologians like St. Nicholas of Lira, Shem is the King of Righteousness [Melchizedek in Hebrew] to whom Abraham pays a tithe in Genesis 14:18-20. Shem was the righteous firstborn son of Noah in whom the covenant with Yahweh and the line of the “promised seed” of Genesis 3:15 continues. Shem is the first man in Sacred Scripture who is identified as Yahweh’s man [see quotation above from Genesis 9:26]. Abraham is Shem’s descendant according to the Biblical genealogy of Genesis 11:10-26.
Now, I’ll be the first to say that this proves nothing, but it does show that I’m not out in left field for thinking this. I first heard this theory while listening to Scott Hahn, who also thinks that Mel and Shem are one and the same.
 
Am I the only one that finds it odd that Abram bemoaned the fact that he was an old man and still childless, when, according to the Septuagint and Samaritan text, Abraham was just a “boy-child” when he and Sarah conceived when you compare them to his ancestors?
Hmm, good catch there. :hmmm:

Now according to one thing I’ve read, IF the LXX chronology is an altered one, there may be reasons for this:

-The translator/s apparently could not comprehend and accept the Hebrew chronology which would infer that Noah did not die until Abram was almost 60 years old, and which has Shem, Salah, and Eber living up until the time of Jacob, when the latter was already advanced in years. So, to fix this ‘problem’, he/they added a century to the ages of the patriarchs up to Nahor.
-The tradition that Upper and Lower Egypt was united under the first pharaoh in 3000 BC would not have escaped the translator. If we take the Hebrew text literally at this point, it would imply that the Flood happened somewhere around 2nd millenium BC (within the bounds of the Old Kingdom)! If all save Noah and his family perished in the Flood, how exactly did Egyptian culture manage to survive it?

The fact, however, that the Samaritan Torah agrees with the Septuagint in some differences from the Masoretic Text makes it much more likely that chronological differences go back to the Hebrew manuscript tradition from which the LXX was translated. But if the variants do go back to a Hebrew stage, we must then ask which version preserves the original: the Masoretic or the LXX’s Hebrew predecessor?
 
This is related to the tribute conversation that was going on. Someone correct me if I’m wrong. At the time, priestly authority was rooted in the authority structure of family. The father of the family conducted public rights of worship, and his sons became his successors in the ministry. In other words the Patriarchs are not a professional class of clerical priests, which means fathers were exercising spiritual leadership on behalf of the family.

Is Melchizedek the exception to this?

Here is another thing I’m wondering about. Melchizedek’s bread and wine was probably a thank offering made to God Most High in gratitude for a successful mission- a sacrifice consumed by the priest and participant. Then Abraham reciprocates by giving a tithe of spoils. It seems he gives it because a spiritual service has been performed.

Is that what is going on?
I think he could be…he has no lineage that is recorded and family lines are very important…and recorded…We know for sure who begat whom, according to sacred scripture

Yes I think this prefigures the mass and tithing
 
Just my opinion:
Personally, I’ve begun to have doubts on the Melchizedek=Shem identification.
First of all, I do not doubt we do have some Jewish and Christian sources on the belief which identifies Mel with Shem (Christian ones sometimes basing themselves on the Jewish idea). However, I feel that this tradition – and other ones of such nature as well – has sprung up rather late; first of all, some of the early extra-Biblical sources which mention Mel: the Genesis Apocryphon found among the Dead Sea Scrolls (early 1st century BC), Josephus and Philo, for example, make no mention of his connection with Shem or even his origins. But then again, most of these stories only reiterate the Biblical story, perhaps with the addition of a detail or two:

Abram camped in the valley of Shaveh, which is the valley of the king, the valley of Beth-ha-Kerem; and Melchizedek, king of Salem, brought out food and drink to Abram and to all the men who were with him. He was the Priest of the Most High God. And he blessed Abram and said, “Blessed be Abram by the Most High God, Lord of heaven and earth! And blessed be the Most High God who has delivered your enemies into your hand!” And Abram gave him the tithe of all the possessions of the king of Elam and his companions.

-Genesis Apocryphon (xxii.14ff)

Moreover, God made Melchisedek, the king of peace, that is of Salem, for that is the interpretation of this name, “his own high Priest,” without having previously mentioned any particular action of his, but merely because he had made him a king, and a lover of peace, and especially worthy of his priesthood. For he is called a just king, and a king is the opposite of a tyrant, because the one is the interpreter of law, and the other of lawlessness.

-Philo, Allegorical Interpretation 3.79

And when the great high priest of the most high God beheld him returning and coming back loaded with trophies, in safety himself, with all his own force uninjured, for he had not lost one single man of all those who went out with him; marvelling at the greatness of the exploit, and, as was very natural, considering that he had never met with this success but through the favour of the divine wisdom and alliance, he raised his hands to heaven, and honoured him with prayers in his behalf, and offered up sacrifices of thanksgiving for his victory, and splendidly feasted all those who had had a share in the expedition; rejoicing and sympathising with him as if the success had been his own, and in reality it did greatly concern him. For as the proverb says:–

“All that befalls from friends we common call.”

And much more are all instances of good fortune common to those whose main object it is to please God.

-Philo, On Abraham 235

And Habramos, having rescued those of the Sodomites who were prisoners (including his kinsman Lotos), who had previously been captured by the Assyrians, returned in peace. And the king of the Sodomites went out to meet him at a certain place that they call the royal plain. There the king of Solyma, Melchisedek, received him. And this signifies “righteous king.” And he was such indisputably, since for this reason he was also made priest of God. As to Solyma, they later called it Hierosolyma. And this Melchisedek granted hospitality to Habramos’ army and furnished a great abundance of their needs, and in the feast he began both to praise him and to bless God who had subjugated the enemy to him. And when Habramos gave him the tithe of the spoil, he accepted the gift.

-Josephus, Antiquities 1.10.2 (179-181)

In fact, Josephus even suggested in his Wars of the Jews that Melchizedek was a Canaanite!

And thus was Jerusalem taken, in the second year of the reign of Vespasian, on the eighth day of the month Gorpeius [Elul]. It had been taken five times before, though this was the second time of its desolation; for Shishak, the king of Egypt, and after him Antiochus, and after him Pompey, and after them Sosius and Herod, took the city, but still preserved it; but before all these, the king of Babylon conquered it, and made it desolate, one thousand four hundred and sixty-eight years and six months after it was built. But he who first built it **was a potent man among the Canaanites **(Χαναναίων δυνάστης), and is in our own tongue called [Melchisedek], the Righteous King, for such he really was; on which account he was [there] the first priest of God, and first built a temple [there], and called the city Jerusalem, which was formerly called Salem. However, David, the king of the Jews, ejected the Canaanites, and set-tied his own people therein.

Now there are also other Jewish works in which Mel features, but these do not really tell us anything about his origins. One work among the DSS features Mel in a major role (11QMelch, dating from the 1st century BC). There, Melchizedek appears as a heavenly end-time redeemer, with attributes of the archangel Michael. He appears in the tenth and final jubilee of world history to rescue the elect, the “men of the lot of Melchizedek” (ii.8), doing battle with Belial and his fellow evil spirits.
 
The only work from this time in which the origins of Melchizedek are discussed in detail is 2 Enoch (late 1st century AD). Here Melchizedek, despite having human parents, is given some superhuman traits: he is born miraculously to the recently deceased wife of Noah’s brother Nir - obviously with no intercourse involved (a kind of virgin birth, if you will). As soon as he came out of the womb the child, marked on his chest with a priestly seal, speaks and praises God. In a night vision Nir is told of the impending flood; he is also informed that the archangel Michael will bring Melchizedek to paradise, thus enabling him to escape the flood waters. Melchizedek will eventually become the chief of priests among the people, and in the end of days he will be revealed yet another time as the chief priest.

As we can note, the emphasis was more on Melchizedek’s being (1) a righteous king and divinely appointed high priest, (2) the founder of Salem, which Josephus and later Targumim understood as referring to Jerusalem, and (3) a generous host – Philo, Josephus and the author of the Genesis Apocryphon understood the text as meaning that Mel brought out the “bread and wine” to feed Abraham and his men, i.e. as a feast (the Hebrew does not really specify for whom Mel intended these for; only that he brought them out). The writer of the epistle to the Hebrews takes point number 1 here and elaborates on it (Hebrews 7):

Which we have as an anchor of the soul, sure and firm, and which entereth in even within the veil; where the forerunner Jesus is entered for us, made a high priest for ever according to the order of Melchisedech. For this Melchisedech was king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him: to whom also Abraham divided the tithes of all: who first indeed by interpretation, is king of justice: and then also king of Salem, that is, king of peace. Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but likened unto the Son of God, continueth a priest for ever.

-Hebrews 6:19-20; 7:1-3 (Douay-Rheims Challoner)

It seems to me that it was only around the time when Christianity began to rise that both Jews and Christians started to take Melchizedek seriously, trying to formulate various opinions on who he exactly was.

Various Gnostic groups have borrowed from Jewish ideas about Melchizedek being a “heavenly priest” and, sometimes combined with Hebrews 7, led a few of these sects to believe that Melchizedek and Jesus or the Holy Spirit are (literally) one and the same person, or even that Mel was superior to Christ. Some orthodox Christians have also mistakenly embraced this belief (taken from here; yes, I know its part of the ‘Mormon’ category on that site, but it’s still useful):

Some of these Jewish interpretations were taken over by Gnostics and are now reflected in some Christian Gnostic texts preserved in Coptic manuscripts of the fourth and fifth centuries (Pearson, 1990). In one fragmentary manuscript, the disciple John asks Jesus to explain what is said about Melchizedek in Hebrews 7:3. Unfortunately, the text breaks off before Jesus’ interpretation is given.

A fragmentary text from Nag Hammadi (IX.1: Melchizedek; cf. Pearson, 1981, pp. 19-85) contains an apocalypse given by angels to Melchizedek, “priest of God Most High.” It is revealed to Melchizedek that he will ultimately reappear as Jesus Christ, Son of God, to do battle with the cosmic forces of darkness. Here one can see influence not only from the Epistle to the Hebrews but also from non-Christian lore.

In the Second Book of Jeu, “Zorokothora Melchizedek” is a heavenly priest who presides over a heavenly baptism. No trace of influence from Hebrews is found in this text.

The most developed levels of speculation on Melchizedek, also lacking any influence from Hebrews, are found in Pistis Sophia, Book 4, in which Melchizedek plays a key role in the process of purifying human souls for entry into the “Treasury of Light” and transferring them from the domain of the archons, or earthly rulers, to that heavenly region. The younger material in books 1-3 of Pistis Sophia develops these ideas further: Melchizedek is a heavenly being who seals the saved souls upon their entry into the realm of light.

The church fathers attest to several heterodox ideas associated with Melchizedek. Hippolytus of Rome (Refutatio 7.35-36) and Epiphanius of Salamis (Panarion 55) are the most important witnesses to a group of heretics called Melchizedekians. They had a low Christology and exalted Melchizedek as a heavenly power superior to Christ. Others equated Melchizedek with the Holy Spirit (Panarion 67), and some “even in the true church” (i.e., not “heretics”) naively regarded Melchizedek as the Son of God (Panarion 55.7.3). The later view seems also to have been present among the monasteries of Egypt (Apophthegmata Patrum, in Patrologia Graeca 65.160) and was even defended in a treatise on Melchizedek by a fifth-century resident of the Judean desert, Mark the Hermit (PG 65.1117-40). Such views were eventually overcome by teacher-bishops such as Cyril of Alexandria (PG 65.160).
 
It was perhaps because of this ideas of Melchizedek as supernatural being, perhaps an angel or even as the Son of God or the Holy Spirit that the stories of him being a human, having a father or mother (which we see in works like The Cave of Treasures, The Book of the Bee, and The Ethiopian Book of Adam) began to circulate, as a way to counter these ideas.

Another idea current in Christian circles was that Melchizedek was uncircumcised. Many of the early Church Fathers saw in this a proof that circumcision was not important - after all, if Mel was a priest of God, how come he did not undergo circumcision?

This circumcision is not, however, necessary for all men, but for you alone, in order that, as I have already said, you may suffer these things which you now justly suffer. Nor do we receive that useless baptism of cisterns, for it has nothing to do with this baptism of life. Wherefore also God has announced that you have forsaken Him, the living fountain, and dug for yourselves broken cisterns which can hold no water. Even you, who are the circumcised according to the flesh, have need of our circumcision; but we, having the latter, do not require the former. For if it were necessary, as you suppose, God would not have made Adam uncircumcised; would not have had respect to the gifts of Abel when, being uncircumcised, he offered sacrifice and would not have been pleased with the uncircumcision of Enoch, who was not found, because God had translated him. Lot, being uncircumcised, was saved from Sodom, the angels themselves and the Lord sending him out. Noah was the beginning of our race; yet, uncircumcised, along with his children he went into the ark. Melchizedek, the priest of the Most High, was uncircumcised; to whom also Abraham the first who received circumcision after the flesh, gave tithes, and he blessed him: after whose order God declared, by the mouth of David, that He would establish the everlasting priest…

…For by this statement, “The Lord has sworn, and will not repent: You are a priest for ever, after the order of Melchizedek,” with an oath God has shown Him (on account of your unbelief) to be the High Priest after the order of Melchizedek; i.e., as Melchizedek was described by Moses as the priest of the Most High, and he was a priest of those who were in uncircumcision, and blessed the circumcised Abraham who brought him tithes, so God has shown that His everlasting Priest, called also by the Holy Spirit Lord, would be Priest of those in uncircumcision.

-St. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho 19; 33

But Abraham, (you say,) was circumcised. Yes, but he pleased God before his circumcision; nor yet did he observe the Sabbath. For he had accepted circumcision; but such as was to be for a sign of that time, not for a prerogative title to salvation. In fact, subsequent patriarchs were uncircumcised, like Melchizedek, who, uncircumcised, offered to Abraham himself, already circumcised, on his return from battle, bread and wine.

-Tertullian, Adversus Judaeos 2

However, there was (perhaps in response to this) a different opinion:

King of Salem (Shalem). R. Isaac the Babylonian said, “This implies that he was born circumcised.” (shalem means ‘whole’, ‘complete’ or ‘perfect’; i.e. the king who was ‘whole’)

-Genesis Rabbah (ca. 3rd-5th century AD) 26

Likewise, [Melchizedek] was born circumcised, as it says “And Melchizedek, king of Salem” (cf. the pun in Genesis Rabbah).

-Avot de-Rabbi Nathan (c.700–900)

Now, we move on to the well-known Mel=Shem opinion. Some scholars think that this opinion was first proposed in the light of Jewish-Christian polemics as a response to the idea that Mel was a “priest of El Elyon” who lacked any connection to the Jewish people or the later levitical priesthood. By identifying the priest-king as a distant ancestor of the Hebrews, Melchizedek is thus ‘domesticated’ and is made a less problematic figure. However, it could also be possible that this identification was indeed one which came about before any such Christian arguments came to the fore (and before the time when such arguments seemed to Jews to require refutation).

This argument enjoyed quite a bit of popularity (it’s all Biblically-consistent, as long as you’re using the Hebrew text or something based on it :p) that some Christians themselves began to adopt this idea - such as St. Ephrem, St. Nicolas of Lyra, and St. Jerome (St. Jerome’s case is a bit confusing: on one hand, he seems to merely report about it). On the other hand - some of the Christians who still used the LXX or those based on it found this opinion rather hard to swallow since according to the text that they use, Shem should have been dead at around the time of Abraham. The Armenian abbot Gregory of Datev (1346-1411) was apparently aware of St. Ephrem’s identification of Mel with Shem, and devotes a passage to answering it in his Kirk Hartzmantz:

But why does St. Ephrem in his writings say that Melchizedek was Shem (cf. Commentary on Genesis 11.2)? He had not two names neither is he a different person. But Irinos (St. Irenaeus?) gives the reason which is difficult to understand. Noah blessed Shem, but Shem had no son like himself to bless. Abraham, however, was of the family of Shem, and worthy of a blessing. But Shem was not then living, to bless him; and Terah could not bless. So Melchizedek took Shem’s place and did what Shem would have done: he blessed Abraham, and was called Shem.

(N.B.: The version of the Old Testament in use in the Armenian Church is based from the Septuagint according to Origen’s Hexapla)
 
Jimmie, I’m sorry if I replied late to your post - I admittedly just saw it yesterday. :o
Apologies to you and to everyone if I sound like a broken record here because I’ll repeat in brief what I just said about a million times before as a reply.
And why is the Book of Bee accurate? It certainly can’t be because of it’s date.
And I never said anything about the Bee’s account being a more accurate tradition; rather, I just meant for it to be an example that, mainly, there are loads of tradition about Melchizedek and who he exactly was - more than we can tackle in this tiny thread.
(1) I find it interesting that I would fall in with the majority of Bee’s contemporaries.
As I just quoted, you’d probably find support from Josephus too. 😉
(2) How does Bee come to calculate Mel as being the son of Malah? Melchizedek’s genealogy is noticibly not explicity listed (as Hebrews happily points out). Melchizedek comes long after Mahalalel.
Well, the Bee, the Cave of Treasures, and the Ethiopian Book of Adam, as well as some other sources which report a similar story, all relate that Mel has some connection to Shem: Shem is, after all, the one who brings him to (Jeru)Salem - more specifically, in Golgotha where they bury the remains of Adam, or so the story says - and, in some versions of the story, appoints him as priest. For this to happen the traditions need Mel to have some connection with the family of Noah either directly or indirectly:

-Eutychius of Alexandria in his Nazm al-Gawahir (Chaplet of Pearls) makes Mel the son of Phalek (aka Peleg).
-Both the Cave of Treasures and the Bee make him to be the son of the apocryphal Malah, introduced as “the brother of Salah, the son of [Cainan] and [grand]son of Arphaxad” who never made it into Genesis because he never did anything worth recording. In short, he is here Shem’s great-great grandson, the son of a very obscure person.
-The Ethiopian Adam makes him to be the “youngest” son of Cainan, the patriarch who only appears in the Greek Septuagint (the Arabic version, meanwhile, has “Arphaxad” in place of Cainan).
(3) In chapter 21, Bee is obviously an anachronistic apologetic as to why Melchizedek’s parents aren’t listed anywhere. The Book of Bee is trying to counter the speculation of his day that Melchizedek was something other than human, “NEITHER the father nor mother of this Melchizedek were written down in the genealogies; not that he had no natural parents but that they were not written down” (sacred-texts.com/chr/bb/bb21.htm). Bee procedes to tell us who the father and mother of Melchizedek were! Bee counters the speculation of his day by constructing Melchizedek’s genealogy. But there is not reason to accept this as anything other than the obvious apologetic that it is. It’s not an accurate reflection of Melchizedek’s genealogy; it’s a debating trick. I do agree with the point Bee was making though, that is, that Melchizedek was a human guy contrary to people’s speculation in Bee’s day (and oddly enough, how many still today speculate about Melchizedek).
Exactly my point. 🙂
(5) Patrick, you do realize that you’ve provided 3 different and conflicting stories, right?
One word: Yes!
I see no need to harmonize all of these, considering that I’m taking all of these traditions with a grain of salt. They can all stand as they are, contradictory they may be.
I’m more of the opinion that Melchizedek’s person is meant to be just that, one of the mysteries that we can spend years or even centuries trying to (often unsuccessfully) unravel and debate about. A priest-king; that’s all we know for sure about him.
 
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