Melinda Gates Wants to Help Women Around the World

[50yroldTOBfan]

"So Why is the Wife of Microsoft Founder Raising Billions to Inject Them with Depo-Provera?

"Surely, Mrs. Gates would not have chosen this course if she knew the serious risks of Depo-Provera and if anyone—her Catholic parents, her Catholic high school teachers at the Ursuline Academy in Dallas or her parish priests (she attends Mass near her Medina, Washington home)—had taken the time to explain Humanae Vitae to her. This is, of course, the prophetic 1968 encyclical by Pope Paul VI that reaffirms the timeless teaching of the Church on the sanctity of human life, and rejects artificial methods of controlling births.

"Or perhaps, like many modern-day Catholics, she has simply rejected it.

"… she said, “I’m a Catholic, but women need access to contraceptives.”

SOURCE: pop.org/content/melinda-gates-wants-help-women-around-world

 

[jediliz]

Her husband is a population control nut. If she really wants to help women - advocate for clean water and better access to nutritious foods. Not for poison that will kill these women.

 

[Petersmate]

The Gates of Hell shall not prevail.

Pardon The pun

 

[Jack007]

Her husband is a population control nut. If she really wants to help women - advocate for clean water and better access to nutritious foods. Not for poison that will kill these women.

 

[Jack007]

"Or perhaps, like many modern-day Catholics, she has simply rejected it.

"… she said, “I’m a Catholic, but women need access to contraceptives.”

But are you catholic if you disagree with the church?

 

[Valiente88]

"Or perhaps, like many modern-day Catholics, she has simply rejected it.

"… she said, “I’m a Catholic, but women need access to contraceptives.”

But are you catholic if you disagree with the church?

I’d assume the 83-85% of Catholics that use it would say so.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

I’d assume the 83-85% of Catholics that use it would say so.

Yeah, they probably would. It is true that if they are baptized Catholic they are still Catholic as a result of the indelible mark placed on the soul at baptism, but that aside I agree with the sentiment of the post; if you reject the Church you shouldn’t call yourself Catholic.

 

[manualman]

I’d assume the 83-85% of Catholics that use it would say so.

Strange is it not, this argument? I’d wager that north of 99% of catholics have told lies before, but we rarely hear academic arguments holding forth of the virtues of lying. If the moral failure rate of catholics establishes the legitimacy of catholic teaching then rather an awful lot of sins out there really aren’t.

On the other hand, maybe it’s not surprising that a religion that teaches that all men are sinful and in need of the saving Grace of Christ demonstrably contains rather a lot of sinners…

 

[detoutcoeur]

Interesting article in Frontiers In Neuroscience
“50 years of hormonal contraception—time to find out, what it does to our brain”
journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fnins.2014.00256/full
One look at Western society can answer that question but an interesting article nonetheless.

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The abstract of the cogent article recently posted on CAF:**

50 years of hormonal contraception—time to find out what it does to our brain**

Hormonal contraceptives are on the market for more than 50 years and used by 100 million women worldwide. However, while endogenous steroids have been convincingly associated with change in brain structure, function and cognitive performance, the effects of synthetic steroids contained in hormonal contraceptives on brain and cognition have barely been investigated.

• In this article we summarize the sparse findings, describing brain structural, functional and behavioral findings from the literature and suggest that synthetic steroids may contribute to masculinizing as well as feminizing effects on brain and behavior. We try to identify methodological challenges, explain how results on endogenous steroids may transfer into research on hormonal contraceptives and point out factors that need to be controlled in the study of hormonal contraceptive dependent effects.

We conclude that there is a strong need for more systematic studies, especially on brain structural, functional and cognitive changes due to hormonal contraceptive use. The hormonal contraceptive pill is the major tool for population control. Hence, such behavioral changes could cause a shift in society dynamics and should not stay unattended.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=12276393#post12276393

 

[Ella_K]

Her husband is a population control nut. If she really wants to help women - advocate for clean water and better access to nutritious foods. Not for poison that will kill these women.

:amen: :clapping:

 

[estesbob]

"So Why is the Wife of Microsoft Founder Raising Billions to Inject Them with Depo-Provera?

"Surely, Mrs. Gates would not have chosen this course if she knew the serious risks of Depo-Provera and if anyone—her Catholic parents, her Catholic high school teachers at the Ursuline Academy in Dallas or her parish priests (she attends Mass near her Medina, Washington home)—had taken the time to explain Humanae Vitae to her. This is, of course, the prophetic 1968 encyclical by Pope Paul VI that reaffirms the timeless teaching of the Church on the sanctity of human life, and rejects artificial methods of controlling births.

"Or perhaps, like many modern-day Catholics, she has simply rejected it.

"… she said, “I’m a Catholic, but women need access to contraceptives.”

SOURCE: pop.org/content/melinda-gates-wants-help-women-around-world

She wants to limit the number of black and brown babies born into the world. Just your ordinary run of the mill eugenicist.

 

[sscott]

Don’t turn this into a racist rant against Melinda. She has three children and could certainly afford more if money is the only issue. She and her husband have decided that three is right for them.(Also, her last baby weighed 10 pounds,) In speaking to women all over the world she found that most women would like to limit the size of their families so they can get ahead financially. I don’t mean they want to become wealthy, but to improve above just getting by.
What is not common knowledge about the contraceptive issue in the church is that Pope Paul was going to approve the pill. This was after a lot of research about how married couples feel about contraception. In the end, the Cardinals convinced him to object to the pill. This caused many normally observant Catholics not only to flout this rule but many others too. If you want to know why many Catholics don’t go to confession just look to the pill.

 

[estesbob]

Don’t turn this into a racist rant against Melinda. She has three children and could certainly afford more if money is the only issue. She and her husband have decided that three is right for them.(Also, her last baby weighed 10 pounds,) In speaking to women all over the world she found that most women would like to limit the size of their families so they can get ahead financially. I don’t mean they want to become wealthy, but to improve above just getting by.
What is not common knowledge about the contraceptive issue in the church is that Pope Paul was going to approve the pill. This was after a lot of research about how married couples feel about contraception. In the end, the Cardinals convinced him to object to the pill. This caused many normally observant Catholics not only to flout this rule but many others too. If you want to know why many Catholics don’t go to confession just look to the pill.

Actually you have it backwards. Pope Paul VI was advised to approve the pill-he declined to do so and his encyclical Humane Vitae brilliantly laid out the problems that would occur in a contraception society.

Its nice Malinda Gates has three children-too bad she wants to limit the black and brown children born into the world… Are they not as deserving of life as her children?

The idea that sin is determined by consensus is specious.

 

[Valiente88]

The idea that sin is determined by consensus is specious.

And to have such a crucial matter that effects the social, familial, economic, political, historical and cultural backbone of our society decided by an elderly man without about as much if not less knowledge and experience as a toddler does on the matter “irrevocably” decided upon (I use the term in its loosest possible context seeing as not even Catholics obey it) is any wiser?

Contraception is not a matter of faith or morals, it is outside the Catholic Church’s own outline of what constitutes matter upon which the Pope can speak Ex Cathedra and should never have been such an issue to begin with.

 

[estesbob]

And to have such a crucial matter that effects the social, familial, economic, political, historical and cultural backbone of our society decided by an elderly man without about as much if not less knowledge and experience as a toddler does on the matter “irrevocably” decided upon (I use the term in its loosest possible context seeing as not even Catholics obey it) is any wiser?

Contraception is not a matter of faith or morals, it is outside the Catholic Church’s own outline of what constitutes matter upon which the Pope can speak Ex Cathedra and should never have been such an issue to begin with.

God is not an elderly man. Contraception is a matter of faith and Morals. It was , in fact, condemned by every major religion up until the 1early 930s. So tell me-what makes us so much smarter than all who went before us?

 

[theCrow]

God is not an elderly man. Contraception is a matter of faith and Morals. It was , in fact, condemned by every major religion up until the 1early 930s. So tell me-what makes us so much smarter than all who went before us?

Hmm, maybe science, modern medicine, technology, innovation, and learning from past mistakes, that’s a start. Although it seems like many Christians would like to go back to the 30’s and before.

 

[Valiente88]

God is not an elderly man. Contraception is a matter of faith and Morals. It was , in fact, condemned by every major religion up until the 1early 930s. So tell me-what makes us so much smarter than all who went before us?

You’re…Kidding me right?

The fact we don’t believe in witches, magic or all that other assorted mumbo-jumbo that used to have religious quivering in their beds at night worried the neighbours were going to curse their sheep? Our ever increasing understanding of how the world, biology and physics work, the countless advances in the fields of philosophy, ethics and psychology in the past twenty years never mind hundred. For goodness sakes, you could still be hung as a sorcerer in some parts of Europe fifty years ago, I think the western worlds come a pretty far way.

Up until the 1930’s, if a family had twelve children it would be a miracle if three of them survived to adulthood so it was prudent to keep producing them. Now we can expect all twelve to survive several parts of the world are facing overpopulation (take a look at the UK and Hong Kong, they have ran out of land and can’t build accommodation fast enough).

Like it or not there are just some topics the bible, “Gods word” cannot adequately address. The world is unrecognizable from the time it was written, and not only that it made no account for the huge rise in population or flourishing of disease a truly trans-national world has brought into being. Unless of course you suggest we should go back to 100-300 AD technology wise so we can all live closer to the core message?

 

[estesbob]

You’re…Kidding me right?

The fact we don’t believe in witches, magic or all that other assorted mumbo-jumbo that used to have religious quivering in their beds at night worried the neighbours were going to curse their sheep? Our ever increasing understanding of how the world, biology and physics work, the countless advances in the fields of philosophy, ethics and psychology in the past twenty years never mind hundred. For goodness sakes, you could still be hung as a witch in some parts of Europe fifty years ago, I think the western worlds come a pretty far way.

Up until the 1930’s, if a family had twelve children it would be a miracle if three of them survived to adulthood so it was prudent to keep producing them. Now we can expect all twelve to survive several parts of the world are facing overpopulation (take a look at the UK and Hong Kong, they have ran out of land and can’t build accommodation fast enough).

I also note you didn’t respond to my statement that contraception was not a matter of faith or morals, do I detect some reluctant agreement there?

How could you possible infer reluctant agreement to my comment that Church teaching on contraception was a matter of Faith and morals.?

It is difficult to discuss Church doctrine with a non catholic who equates Church teaching with hanging witches.

 

[estesbob]

Hmm, maybe science, modern medicine, technology, innovation, and learning from past mistakes, that’s a start. Although it seems like many Christians would like to go back to the 30’s and before.

I hope we do learn from past mistakes and again embrace the church teaching on contraception. Have you read Humane Vitae? The Pope was right as to the cultural and moral deterioration that a contraceptive society would bring about.

 

[Valiente88]

How could you possible infer reluctant agreement to my comment that Church teaching on contraception was a matter of Faith and morals.?

It is difficult to discuss Church doctrine with a non catholic who equates Church teaching with hanging witches.

The Church still believes that demons come and posssess young women, actually killing them in the process of trying to cast out the demons by crushing their kneecaps with constant genuflections. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel

Now to the impartial observer like myself, that is the equivalent. Schizophrenia is clearly not the work of little demons who hop out of hell to take control of young girls.

It’s a rather wonderful defense that isn’t it? You can’t possibly provide an adequate reason behind a church doctrine because I’m not a Catholic, but by the same token if I was a Catholic you won’t discuss it because it’s a sin to think otherwise.

Unfortunately Estebob, some of us are very highly educated individuals, and while we understand and know your arguments, or lack of them as the case may be all too well we object because they are contradictory, incoherent and make no logical sense…

Condoms have nothing to do with faith in Christ, and Christ himself left no message concerning an innovation that wouldn’t be developed for another nineteen centuries. Certainly we have that section about cleaving unto ones wife, but as so many Catholic couples are all so happy to demonstrate that is possible using contraception and the emotional side it addresses suffers no negative effects from its use.

It has nothing to do with morality, because contraception can be used within a marriage, to prevent anything from conception to AIDS. Again, on each and every individual basis the reason behind its use can vary, and is not an area for an infallible moral ruling. It would be the same as infallibly ruling bread was of the devil, because one dutch baker made one in the shape of breasts.