Memorial Acclamation A? - Where in the world did it come from and where it is going?

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Morning All,

I was wondering something. Is the New Translation [or rather a more faithful Translation of the Roman Missal] taking out Memorial Acclamation A, “Christ has died, Christ is Risen, Christ will Come again.”? I know this was not orginally in the Old Roman Missal, but the U.S. added it? Does anyone know the orgin of it? Thanks.

God Bless.
 
Little_One0307 said:
Morning All,

I was wondering something. Is the New Translation [or rather a more faithful Translation of the Roman Missal] taking out Memorial Acclamation A, “Christ has died, Christ is Risen, Christ will Come again.”? I know this was not orginally in the Old Roman Missal, but the U.S. added it? Does anyone know the orgin of it? Thanks.

God Bless.
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It was not an “American” invention; rather, it was an ICEL innovation. Furthermore, it is not an “acclamation”, per se, since it addresses Christ in the third person. It is a “proclamation”. The original three are “acclamations”, as they address Christ in the second person.
 
Little_One0307 said:
Morning All,

I was wondering something. Is the New Translation [or rather a more faithful Translation of the Roman Missal] taking out Memorial Acclamation A, “Christ has died, Christ is Risen, Christ will Come again.”? I know this was not orginally in the Old Roman Missal, but the U.S. added it? Does anyone know the orgin of it? Thanks.

God Bless.
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It’s gone, thank goodness. Also gone are the individual introductions to the acclamations in Canada.
 
Little_One0307 said:
Morning All,

I was wondering something. Is the New Translation [or rather a more faithful Translation of the Roman Missal] taking out Memorial Acclamation A, “Christ has died, Christ is Risen, Christ will Come again.”? I know this was not orginally in the Old Roman Missal, but the U.S. added it? Does anyone know the orgin of it? Thanks.

God Bless.
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I took a class last fall about the New Translation given by a nun, who teaches at one of the seminaries here in the Archdiocese of Denver.

Sister Esther told us, Memorial Acclamation A originally came about to be used by children. She was very glad to see it gone.
 
The main reason I’m glad it will be gone is because it never should have been there!!
 
I found a copy of the new missal compared to the old missal and where the old “Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again” was it has this:

We proclaim your Death, O Lord,
and profess your Resurrection
until you come again.
Or:
When we eat this Bread and drink this Cup,
we proclaim your Death, O Lord,
until you come again.
Or:
Save us, Saviour of the world,
for by your Cross and Resurrection
you have set us fre
 
PerfectTiming said:
I found a copy of the new missal compared to the old missal and where the old “Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again” was it has this:

We proclaim your Death, O Lord,
and profess your Resurrection
until you come again.

Or:

When we eat this Bread and drink this Cup,
we proclaim your Death, O Lord,
until you come again.

Or:

Save us, Saviour of the world,
for by your Cross and Resurrection
you have set us free.
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compared to today’s

Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.

or

Dying you restored our death,
rising you restored our life.
Lord Jesus, come in glory.

or

When we eat this Bread and drink this Cup,
we proclaim your Death, Lord Jesus,
until you come in glory.

or

Lord, by your cross and resurrection, you have set us free.
You are the Saviour of the world.
 
Morning guys and gals,

I have to say that I am so relieved that it is gone. I just was wondering why it happened in the first place. I think it is interesting that it is a proclamation rather than an acclamation. I had never thought of that before.

Thanks for taking the time to respond to this thread. Answer is fully questioned and Little One0307 is fully satisfied with this thread. WOOT for the wisdom of CAF yet again. And double WOOT that Memorial Acclamation A is gone forever!!!

:extrahappy::extrahappy::extrahappy:

God bless.
 
Memorial Acclamation A has always stuck with me since my parish has never used B, C, or D except during Lent. So, I guess I can say that I might miss it a little, but the new ones look good!
 
I do understand those who dislike this Acclamation (proclamation?) and I have no problems with the fact that it’s no longer there but…

I remember when I was younger really pondering the past tense, present tense and future tense of this statement. It was something that really hit me as I reflected on it.

Kris
 
kwitz said:
I do understand those who dislike this Acclamation (proclamation?) and I have no problems with the fact that it’s no longer there but…

I remember when I was younger really pondering the past tense, present tense and future tense of this statement. It was something that really hit me as I reflected on it.

Kris
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It makes a statement. It does not acclaim anything. Furthermore, this is not in the original Latin version of the Roman Missal and was an innovation from ICEL.
 
kwitz said:
I do understand those who dislike this Acclamation (proclamation?) and I have no problems with the fact that it’s no longer there but…

I remember when I was younger really pondering the past tense, present tense and future tense of this statement. It was something that really hit me as I reflected on it.

Kris
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Christ is present on the Altar, but Memorial A referes to Him in the 3rd Person. That is kind of rude, don’t you think?
 
Brendan said:
Christ is present on the Altar, but Memorial A referes to Him in the 3rd Person. That is kind of rude, don’t you think?
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No, not rude at all. Lots of prayers refer to Christ in the third person after the consecration. From the Roman Canon alone, consider:
Father, we celebrate the memory of Christ, your Son. We, your people and your ministers, recall his passion, his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension into glory . . . .

Almighty God, we pray that your angel may take this sacrifice to your altar in heaven. Then, as we receive from this altar the sacred body and blood of your Son, let us be filled with every grace and blessing. . . .

Through Christ our Lord you give us all these gifts. You fill them with life and goodness, you bless them and make them holy.
Frankly, if anything is out of place here, it’s the acclamation to Christ – which, let it be remembered, is purely a “Novus Ordo novelty,” as some would put it. Traditionally, the prayers here are all directed to the Father; indeed we pray the Our Father (“in the words our Savior taught us”) while the consecrated Eucharist just sits there on the altar.

I’m all for correct translations from the Latin, and if “Christ has died, Christ is risen” isn’t in the Latin, then it shouldn’t be in the English. But let’s not pretend that the “memorial acclamation” to Christ has a millennium of history and a deep theology to it which is being contravened by speaking of Christ in the third person. As far as I’m aware, the “memorial acclamation” was invented in 1969, and Memorial Acclamation A was introduced in 1973 . . . giving us a whole four-year stretch of history in which the acclamation always spoke to Christ directly.
 
Little_One0307 said:
Morning All,

I was wondering something. Is the New Translation [or rather a more faithful Translation of the Roman Missal] taking out Memorial Acclamation A, “Christ has died, Christ is Risen, Christ will Come again.”? I know this was not orginally in the Old Roman Missal, but the U.S. added it? Does anyone know the orgin of it? Thanks.

God Bless.
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With regard to the origin, it’s an attempt to do what the original said:

*Mortem tuam annuntiamus, Domine, *
We proclaim your death, Lord, (Christ has died,)

et tuam resurrectionem confitemur,
and confess your resurrection, (Christ is risen,)

donec venias.
until you come. (Christ will come again.)

So instead of saying “we proclaim . . .” we simply proclaim it. The problem is that it confuses **acclamation **(an expression of approval or praise) with **proclamation **(a public, usually legalistic statement). As other replies have said, the Memorial Proclamation really just ends up being a novelty.
 
jkarp said:
With regard to the origin, it’s an attempt to do what the original said:

*Mortem tuam annuntiamus, Domine, *
We proclaim your death, Lord, (Christ has died,)

et tuam resurrectionem confitemur,
and confess your resurrection, (Christ is risen,)

donec venias.
until you come. (Christ will come again.)

So instead of saying “we proclaim . . .” we simply proclaim it. The problem is that it confuses **acclamation **(an expression of approval or praise) with **proclamation **(a public, usually legalistic statement). As other replies have said, the Memorial Proclamation really just ends up being a novelty.
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AHHHHH. I see so it was derived off another Acclamation.

So I am guessing that this was invented due to Post Vatican II changes? I am wondering why they felt the need to start using it.

So does any others besides the English speaking people use this Acclamation? I was trying to research this today, but could not find the answer. I was trying to see if this Acclamation was just a United States thing or if it was an entire Church thing. Thanks.

God bless.
 
Phemie said:
compared to today’s

Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again.

or

Dying you restored our death,
rising you restored our life.
Lord Jesus, come in glory.
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A typo, I’m sure, but for the sake of non-Catholics who might be confused reading this, it’s actually ‘DESTROYED our death’ not ‘restored’ it.
 
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