Men's Rights and the Catholic Church

[Nimzovik]

We are really aware of the harms of tobacco and alcohol too, they are still permitted. They are practices which are so ingrained in the culture that it is difficult to eradicate them, and so are tolerated despite the harms.

And male circumcision was, and is thought still by some, to have health benefits, and AFAIK is largely done for that reason where it is not for religious reasons. Which is a point of real difference with female circumcision, which has no such health benefits and never has had.

Nimzovik Responds:

In regard to your first paragraph- Oh yes? Tobacco? Alcohol? things that adults do to themselves as free will agents? Compared to things perpetrated on babies? You equate these do you? Do you really think that if such ‘circumcisions’ were being performed on female babies in America, that the Feminists would tolerate that do you? Do you *really? *

Don’t. No. Just don’t. Don’t do that. No. Really. Please…

In regard to paragraph two. You still think there are medical benefits to circumcison do you? Even after the referenced link that I presented, addressed this** fallacy? **

Then… What more can I possibly do for you?

 

[Nimzovik]

That’s the way things are, Nim.

I kind of agree with–I think it was Maria–who said you can lay most of the blame at the feet of men.

Many if not most of your contemporary alpha males, and those betas that want to be one of them, will support that kind of female reaction in the videos you presented.

I’m of the mind one would do best to find their own niche in life and develop their own future. With that in mind, one limits themselves to certain things and outcomes if they limit themselves to American women. That is a person’s choice. And they suffer the consequences.

I really believe one can find a woman that’s not going to toss hot grease on you or stab you or do something to really hurt you if she’s very upset with you. And you two are married to each other. But you have to be honest about some of the characteristics you see in the woman you’re getting to know or are dating.

The woman that may very well be a close friend, that may find you as a good husband for her, may well have a different nationality, ethnicity, and religion than you do (I mean the plural “you” and not you personally).

Trying to change America or American women is a waste of time to me. Better to pursue one’s financial wealth and personal happiness independently.

Why am I suddenly reminded of a quote… I can not remember who said it just now, concerning American Secular/Feminist Women. Ah! Here it is -“You can lose a lot of money by chasing American women, but you will never lose American women by chasing money.”

’Briffault’s Law’ regards’
Nim

 

[Nimzovik]

It is not about American women vs, other women.What kind of comment is that? American women can be traditional. I think that is what we are seeing-a backlash. Look for the females who are homeschooled, who attended catholic schools K-12, and those who may be protestant but with a strong love of the Bible and great faith.

Yes… there is indeed a degree of truth to this… However, it must be recognized that inequalities perpetrated by Feminists in the Social, legal and relationship realm have indeed affected America to a much greater extent. A T.V. in everyhouse! American Feminst socialization T.V. Shows that moved us from viewing men as ‘Father Knows Best’ to Homer Simpson,The ‘wimpy male’ in Everybody Loves Raymond, The ‘Buffoon Male’ like Tim Allen. Need I go on?

Then there are the commercials… Don’t make me break out my links in that regard…

 

[Nimzovik]

Perhaps you should check this link out (mondofown.blogspot.com/2012/06/female-circumcision-health-benefits.html). Of coarse we think FGM has no health benefits because feminists wouldn’t allow any research to be done that may be seen as supportive of denying women pleasure. Too bad the same argument isn’t as strongly adhered to when it concerns men.

Indeed. Well said.

 

[Nimzovik]

This entire thread sounds like a bunch of closeted-gay woman haters and self-loathing females sitting around trying to one-up each other with their misogynist baloney. Women being forced into the military?? No real man wants to see that - I’m happy to fight for the ladies. Women raping men? Please. You can’t force a hard on. You guys are pathetic. Grow up and accept your spot at the head of the table, as I assume you are white American males and haven’t told the world your’re gay yet (but trust me, everyone knows by your constant mention of lesbians and woman hating.)

I suppose… If one were asked to define the classic, archetypal 'White Knight Male,’ this post would be** the** reference.

Perhaps… ‘Methinks thou dost project too much’ - eh?

No need to get insulting… If you will get in touch with your inner man, you will indeed realize that you are in possesion of excellent verbal skills, despite being inured in the Feminist Mythos of the ‘non verbal male,’ *well *suited to expressing ideas and concepts, without resorting to ‘sexuality bashing.’

I sincerely hope this rather prolific thread does not get locked due to your …comments.

 

[silentfactor80]

I suppose… If one were asked to define the classic, archetypal 'White Knight Male,’ this post would be** the** reference.

Perhaps… ‘Methinks thou dost project too much’ - eh?

No need to get insulting… If you will get in touch with your inner man, you will indeed realize that you are in possesion of excellent verbal skills, despite being inured in the Feminist Mythos of the ‘non verbal male,’ *well *suited to expressing ideas and concepts, without resorting to ‘sexuality bashing.’

A White Knight Male would just do his duty and not blow a trumpet before him. This guy is just flaming and looking to start trouble. We owe him no further attention.

 

[Nimzovik]

Perhaps. However we must always endeavor to be charitable to our unenlightened man bros.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by Nimzovik
Why am I suddenly reminded of a quote… I can not remember who said it just now, concerning American Secular/Feminist Women. Ah! Here it is -“You can lose a lot of money by chasing American women, but you will never lose American women by chasing money.”

American women have a different set of problems. They are raised to believe that they must take care of themselves. Many of them go to college for that reason. Feminist agenda starts early in the public schools but what parent can afford all private education.

If they don’t go to college, they are thought of as dumb, lazy, non productive female or trashy females. They are lucky if they can get a date. If they go to college, a lot of damage is done by academia but then they are thought to be snobs, money chasers…

When the women who worked for Komen’s foundation tried to change the money given to PP, many lost their jobs.

 

[FoxFanForty]

Perhaps. However we must always endeavor to be charitable to our unenlightened man bros.

I’m not your bro. I wouldn’t be able to spend five minutes with someone like you. “FATHER Knows Best??” Really - you want to go back to that? That’s some serious problems with women you got there, man. I have to assume you aren’t married.

What is your problem with American women? They’re too smart for you - don’t want to stay home and have your dinner and the paper ready when you walk through the door at night and take your patronizing bull$#!t? You can’t hang with an educated woman who thinks for herself?

I can’t believe the talk about finding a wife overseas to avoid the modern American woman. Mail order brides? For real? So you can find a terrified and uneducated woman who will obey you and submit to your crazy?

Happily married for many years here. Kids, a house, the whole nine yards. My wife is the best thing that’s ever happened to me, and a wonderful mother to my kids. And yes, I’d say she’s a pro-life feminist with an education and a point of view. Maybe in your opinion I should discipline her for being too opinionated!

Grow a pair, guys. Quit whining about how your “rights” are being stepped on just because women have spoken up. You want an obedient little wife waiting at home for you? Yeah, some insecure guys find that appealing. Healthy men want a woman who meets them eye to eye every day. A real man would never let women be drafted. A real man submits his own needs for the good of females. I’m glad research in the medical field goes to women and children first - for God’s sake! It’s our duty to take a back seat to make sure women are protected!

 

[Litcrit]

what exactly is this ‘feminist movement’ you speak of?
Who are its leaders?
Where are its head offices?
Where is its membership list kept?
Who does one apply to to join?
Who is responsible for denying or accepting new members?
Where does it advertise for new members?
Who writes and publishes its policy documents in such issues as transgenderism etc, and where can I get copies so as to determine whether I agree with them?
Finally, who owns the copyright on the word feminist - and since you are a feminist why would you object to marrying one?

I honestly do not know a single person, male or female, Catholic or atheist, self-described feminist or not, who would not have substantial disagreements with that list of “feminist” positions you have mentioned. Does that mean that there is actually no such thing as a feminist? And that each and every woman who would describe herself as a feminist is wrong since she disagrees with this mythical movement’s positions?

Precisely.

These lists of “feminist” positions that get posted here on a regular basis are no better than lists of “Catholic” positions that some Protestants teach (Catholics worship idols, Catholics are pagans, Catholics believe the Pope can never sin, Catholics believe they can sin as much as they want and they will be magically forgiven via confession, and the like.)

Lobbyist groups such as National Organization for Women, Planned Parenthood, American Association for University Women, etc…

It is also the collection of literature that demonizes men while celebrating women as spotless benevolent angels.

Feminism is not just thinking women deserve to be treated better than seagull poo. Feminism is about “giving men what they deserve” and instilling a spirit of guilt in all men to make them pay for perceived crimes of the past. It is also about giving women unfettered and unchecked power to do as they see fit.

As someone said earlier, it would be great if we could unite under humanism. There is no reason why if feminism was ONLY about equality that it should be given a feminine label. The same is true of men’s rights. When black people demanded civil rights they didn’t call themselves blackists or institute blackism. The called it CIVIL RIGHTS because it was something for everyone. The fact that the word feminism even exists is troubling because it is almost like singling women out as something better than the rest.

I don’t see feminism as what you’ve described at all.

For me, as a third-wave feminist, feminism is about equality and challenging cultural stereotypes about gender, which hurt both men and women.

Perhaps feminism and men’s rights will evolve together into some sort of a Gender Equality movement that will fight for equality and civil rights for all humans specifically as this relates to gender.

The part I’ve bolded is patently untrue. There are all sorts of people out there. Yes, some of them may claim to be feminist and believe these things. However, most women, myself included, just want to be treated equally. Some women like myself consider ourselves 1.) Catholic 2.) Pro-Life and 3.) (gasp!) a Feminist. Look at Susan B. Anthony and Elisabeth Cady Stanton, early feminists who garnered a women’s right to vote all the while being pro-life. See, as a feminist, I do believe that to be pro-women, pro-men, pro-human is to be pro-life. Thus, I know it’s a shocker, but us feministic pro-life women do exist out there. And, you know what? I have a boatload of respect for both women and men.

I wholeheartedly agree. Third-wave feminism is reconnecting with the roots of feminism. Second-wave feminism, which seemed to seek liberation and equality through a Manichean rejection of the female body and motherhood, is through.

For me, feminism means equality. It means benefits for fathers as well as mothers. It means realizing that fathers too have families and care for their children and may not want to work long hours. It means paternity leaves and respect for SAHDs. It means not assuming that parent = mother and just giving children to mom as a default in divorce.

For me, feminism means rejecting harmful gender stereotypes. They hurt men *and *women. The Domestic Diva Supermom and the Klutzy Paycheck Sperm Donor Dad a.k.a. the Poor Housewife and the Alpha Male Provider are two sides of the same coin.

For me, feminism means loving and respecting my husband who is a great father, a SAHD who very actively fathers our girls. It means opposing those who want to put him down because he doesn’t “bring home the bacon”, as a “real man” should. It means opposing those who want to put him down because he enjoys and is great at “women’s work” - caring for our children, cooking, cleaning.

There is actually a battered men’s shelter in my country. Guess who’s there? Men who’d lost their jobs. As soon as they were unemployed, they were no longer useful and their wives started physically abusing them, and they didn’t fight back because society told them they deserved it because they were now not real men any more. When they couldn’t endure it any longer, they ran away. Many men become homeless this way.

As a feminist, I’m angry about this. A man is not sperm and a paycheck - just like a woman is not a uterus and a maid.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by Litcrit
Second-wave feminism, which seemed to seek liberation and equality through a Manichean rejection of the female body and motherhood, is through.

It is dead. The Feminists have lost this battle whether they want to admit or not

For me, feminism means equality. It means benefits for fathers as well as mothers. It means realizing that fathers too have families and care for their children and may not want to work long hours. It means paternity leaves and respect for SAHDs. It means not assuming that parent = mother and just giving children to mom as a default in divorce.

For me, feminism means rejecting harmful gender stereotypes. They hurt men and women. The Domestic Diva Supermom and the Klutzy Paycheck Sperm Donor Dad a.k.a. the Poor Housewife and the Alpha Male Provider are two sides of the same coin…

Third wave feminism is not in much better shape. The females has taken the role as breadwinners to support the family yet there is a lot of anger at men. It is base\rf on contraception. and women limit their families to much smaller family units because they it is extremely difficult to be pregnant and work and mother. They can call for more daycare, etc. but that is just hurting the financial system of families because their tax rates keep going up.

 

[Litcrit]

The females has taken the role as breadwinners to support the family yet there is a lot of anger at men. It is base\rf on contraception. and women limit their families to much smaller family units because they it is extremely difficult to be pregnant and work and mother. They can call for more daycare, etc. but that is just hurting the financial system of families because their tax rates keep going up.

I’m not angry at men. I have a wonderful husband.

It is not that difficult to be pregnant and work and mother with solid maternity/paternity leave programs (which exist in most of Europe) AND husbands who are supportive and work and father.

When breadwinning, childcare, and domestic duties are fairly shared (which does not necessarily mean splitting everything 50-50), there is no need for anger or resentment.

Men deserve to be treated seriously as fathers, not only as paychecks. They deserve paternity leave and flex time and part time and at-home work options as fathers and not to be expected to work long hours when their female counterparts wouldn’t be. A father should have all the rights and responsibilities a mother does.

 

[TimeEntrance]

You better think about this one.

I’ve already thought about it. I learned a long time ago that just about everything I was ever taught was a lie.

Now I follow me. God and me. Not Catholics, not Americans, not Milwaukeeans, not gang bangers, not women. God and me. That’s why I’m not in prison. That’s why I have confidence I shall become financially and personally successful in life. That’s why I’m not out here like that former Navy officer running around being chased by the LAPD.

I know lots and I mean lots of Asian women who have recently emigrated to the US and one thing I know is that many are pro-choice, most voted for Pres, Obama on this issue alone

#1. President Obama is awesome. Tall, swagger, executive leader of a nation. Total alpha male. Plus, he’s cool.

#2. You are totally right about some of the evil Asian women from and living in Asia right now. I watched a public TV show last night instead of doing some assigned reading I really should have been doing. But the information and young girls in this TV story and interviews was much more important. Even at my old age I still remain naive to how evil some women and men are on this earth. How Cambodian girls–little girls–are treated in that nation when forced into sex slavery just broke my heart. And filled me with murderous rage. One young girl with a partly deformed face from having her brothel owner gouge out her eye renamed herself Forgiveness. She’s a zillion times better than me. They aborted her baby from a pregnancy by a “client” and then with blood still on her and in her, made her service more “clients.”

And you’ll have female brothel madams (working for men usually I’m sure) murdering some of these little girls. Girls 12 years old and girls being abducted as young as 3 and 5. And one of the Cambodian men behind this is a big time Cambodian military officer.

But then you have heroic Asian women. Like the one a former child sex slaver herself rescuing these girls today in Cambodia. A level of courage and heroism I can’t fathom. It’s one thing to be built Ford tough, flying in on helios armed to the teeth, with commandos beside you, and backed by a U.S. armada. It’s another to be a “no-body” woman in Asia, socially stigmatized, and left by yourself going against the mightiest in your nation on behalf of the weaker and stigmatized everyone else in that society has thrown away.

And I don’t know about Muslim or Indian women but I would look at the culture very closely. Catholics values are just that and finding someone who not only believes in the Bible but is willing to make great sacrifice in not easy.

American women take a bad rap.

I’m not particularly fond of the ways girls and women in Indian can often be treated. But I’m a product of the West. Indian men in this way live a much more spoiled and privileged life than American and Western men. Not to suggest all East Indian men are like that or bad people or treat girls and women poorly.

While not perfect I prefer the assumed rights of girls and women in Brazil more than that of India’s.

But for example, the pure Americana woman I spoke of, typical of inner-city bred women she’s arrogant. I’m sure she regards herself as far more brilliant than me working on her GED than me working on my bio degree. But that is typical as I said. The attitude of being “smarter,” “cooler,” more “special” etc.

But truth be told… I prefer girls and women be like that in America and the whole world than suffer what these girls suffer in societies like Southeast Asia. A young girl having to work part the day, turning all the money over to her father, and finding hustles to pay for her tutoring. Living in a flooded, trashy, shack and finding little place to do her homework.

In the U.S. with the resources kids and adult students like myself are blessed with she would get A’s in everything. And this little girl has more drive, perseverance, and commitment in her than I do in me and I’m supposed to be the adult and “man.”

I’m humbled by some of these Asian females. And they’re often not Catholic.

I came up around Catholics and Protestants in the U.S. I know all about them. I went to school with Catholic girls and “their values.” They never had faith in me and I have none in them.

But I can only speak for myself, and I know both God and Madonna tell my heart better shores figuratively or literally are with their children and daughters not Catholic or Protestant. I know that like I know the sun will rise again in the sky.

To each his own. Every persons path is different.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by Litcrit

'm not angry at men. I have a wonderful husband.

It is not that difficult to be pregnant and work and mother with solid maternity/paternity leave programs (which exist in most of Europe) AND husbands who are supportive and work and father.

When breadwinning, childcare, and domestic duties are fairly shared (which does not necessarily mean splitting everything 50-50), there is no need for anger or resentment.

Men deserve to be treated seriously as fathers, not only as paychecks. They deserve paternity leave and flex time and part time and at-home work options as fathers and not to be expected to work long hours when their female counterparts wouldn’t be. A father should have all the rights and responsibilities a mother does.

Maybe you are the exception. Like I said, I think the third wave is based on contraception, have fewer children and working is manageable, It is very difficult to work be pregnant when you have a large family. I’ve seen dads with one or two, haven’t seen many with five or six . I also see a lot of grandparents trying to help them out.

The women I know who are the main breadwinners some by choice but many by force because they have married someone who doesn’t make as much money as they can or has lost his employment. They say all the things you have just said but then when at a gathering, I hear from other people that these woman complain. . So and So is not working , or hasn;t found work yet and it is like the woman is the “victim” again.

 

[FoxFanForty]

I’m not angry at men. I have a wonderful husband.

It is not that difficult to be pregnant and work and mother with solid maternity/paternity leave programs (which exist in most of Europe) AND husbands who are supportive and work and father.

When breadwinning, childcare, and domestic duties are fairly shared (which does not necessarily mean splitting everything 50-50), there is no need for anger or resentment.

Men deserve to be treated seriously as fathers, not only as paychecks. They deserve paternity leave and flex time and part time and at-home work options as fathers and not to be expected to work long hours when their female counterparts wouldn’t be. A father should have all the rights and responsibilities a mother does.

You don’t have to go to work! And you don’t have to go to work! You don’t have to go to work!! In your socialist scheme, who pays while all these parents aren’t working? What happens to small businesses when their employees are out for 6-12 months (like in Europe?) My wife stays home. That’s the way she wants it, and it works for us. We don’t want our kids in daycare. I’m usually back to work 2-3 days after we have a baby. Someone has to pay the bills. I certainly don’t want taxpayer’s money floating me while I sit around at home, able bodied. Having kids is our choice and our responsibility.

In our state women get 6 weeks of disability after a birth to physically recover. Men don’t need that. Both are given the opportunity to take an additional 6 weeks, unpaid, family leave. It’s not other people’s responsibility to pay for you to take an extended vacation when you have a baby. If you haven’t made arrangements for mom to be able to stay home or take a long time off work, not my fault. My wife has stayed home with every kid because I bust my butt and we make it happen. If your husband is too much of a louse to support the family, sorry. And if you like to work and want to keep your job, great! But you shouldn’t get a year of taxpayer money so you can chill at home for months and months.

What happened to families taking care of their own needs?

 

[gam197]

originally posted by TimeEntrance
But truth be told… I prefer girls and women be like that in America and the whole world than suffer what these girls suffer in societies like Southeast Asia.

Odd, but I find that men are often drawn to girl’s suffering.

I have seen similar shows and some are horrible.Can’t say anything more about that than they are horrific. I am glad they have these shows so human rights groups can get in there. I’ve also seen a show where a mom and day worked their fingers to the bone in the city while the grandmother took care of their two children in rural China trying to advance their children in education. The 17 year old daughter rebelled , dropped out of school and went to work at a bar. Made you sick after all these two parents had been through.

Not all for, but for many, abortion is their solution. They are now empowered to leave and don’t want to go back.

 

[Litcrit]

You don’t have to go to work! And you don’t have to go to work! You don’t have to go to work!! In your socialist scheme, who pays while all these parents aren’t working? What happens to small businesses when their employees are out for 6-12 months (like in Europe?) My wife stays home. That’s the way she wants it, and it works for us. We don’t want our kids in daycare. I’m usually back to work 2-3 days after we have a baby. Someone has to pay the bills. I certainly don’t want taxpayer’s money floating me while I sit around at home, able bodied. Having kids is our choice and our responsibility.

I pay, through my taxes, as do other employed people.

I get 12 months of fully paid maternity leave for each child I have. With children #3 and #4, I get 24 months. The mother takes the first four months, the rest can be divided between mother and father. Yes, I’m in Europe. Our small businesses (and other businesses) simply employ another worker - giving another person the opportunity to work for at least a year - and don’t lose anything.

We don’t have our kids in daycare either.

Having kids ensures there’s a next generation of taxpayers. It is generally recognized in my culture that children are an important investment. Voices like yours cannot be heard here.

In our state women get 6 weeks of disability after a birth to physically recover. Men don’t need that. Both are given the opportunity to take an additional 6 weeks, unpaid, family leave. It’s not other people’s responsibility to pay for you to take an extended vacation when you have a baby. If you haven’t made arrangements for mom to be able to stay home or take a long time off work, not my fault. My wife has stayed home with every kid because I bust my butt and we make it happen. If your husband is too much of a louse to support the family, sorry. And if you like to work and want to keep your job, great! But you shouldn’t get a year of taxpayer money so you can chill at home for months and months.

What happened to families taking care of their own needs?

Is your money “floating” your wife while she “sits” at home, able-bodied? Is she “chilling”?

Or is she doing something demanding, challenging, and very valuable for society as a whole? I know my husband is and I did on maternity leave and I fully support anyone doing it - through my taxes as well.

A SAHD is a “louse”? Really? That’s about the most misandrist thing I’ve heard.

Families don’t take care of their own needs. They don’t make their own roads, they don’t hire their own private police officers, they don’t hire their own private judges and juries. Each society decides on the things that are its common good and tax money funds them, although not every person might use them all the time. I might never travel a distant country road, but people living there still deserve to have it funded from my tax money. Similarly, my country has decided that raising children is a common good of this society and put its money where its mouth is. Why do you have a problem with that?

 

[FoxFanForty]

I pay, through my taxes, as do other employed people.

I get 12 months of fully paid maternity leave for each child I have. With children #3 and #4, I get 24 months. The mother takes the first four months, the rest can be divided between mother and father. Yes, I’m in Europe. Our small businesses (and other businesses) simply employ another worker - giving another person the opportunity to work for at least a year - and don’t lose anything.

We don’t have our kids in daycare either.

Having kids ensures there’s a next generation of taxpayers. It is generally recognized in my culture that children are an important investment. Voices like yours cannot be heard here.

Is your money “floating” your wife while she “sits” at home, able-bodied? Is she “chilling”?

Or is she doing something demanding, challenging, and very valuable for society as a whole? I know my husband is and I did on maternity leave and I fully support anyone doing it - through my taxes as well.

A SAHD is a “louse”? Really? That’s about the most misandrist thing I’ve heard.

Families don’t take care of their own needs. They don’t make their own roads, they don’t hire their own private police officers, they don’t hire their own private judges and juries. Each society decides on the things that are its common good and tax money funds them, although not every person might use them all the time. I might never travel a distant country road, but people living there still deserve to have it funded from my tax money. Similarly, my country has decided that raising children is a common good of this society and put its money where its mouth is. Why do you have a problem with that?

You and I are just not going to agree on this. I don’t think society owes you a vacation with your kids, and I don’t think it’s fair to place the burden of having kids on your poor employer or fellow taxpayers. I cannot simply hire a new legal assistant. It took me years to train mine. She knows my practice, she knows me. She’s not a dime a dozen. There’s not another person equally as skilled waiting on the corner.She leaves for a year, it’s a disaster for me. Even her two weeks vacation is a nightmare. My business simply cannot function with her taking a year off every two or three years. I am floored that any employee would have the gall to ask their employer to put up with that.

I’d rather keep my tax money, put it away or invest it, and cover my own vacation or my wife’s with my own money. I suspect this is just one of those European vs. American things. We will never understand your tolerance of socialism or your complicity with taking from your neighbor. We prefer not to have the government redistribute our income (unless you are the louse who is on the dole!)

As I said, a real man supports his family. Obviously if he is totally disabled that is another story. No way would I have my wife working unless she wanted to. No way would I ask my fellow Americans to cover a year long vacay. A sahd might not be a louse, but there is something very odd about that dynamic.

Again, we are just not going to agree. American businesses would collapse under socialism and most of us find the entire concept disgusting.

And no - my wife is not sitting around at home. But no need for both of us to be there when one could be working.

 

[Nimzovik]

American women have a different set of problems. They are raised to believe that they must take care of themselves. Many of them go to college for that reason. Feminist agenda starts early in the public schools but what parent can afford all private education.

If they don’t go to college, they are thought of as dumb, lazy, non productive female or trashy females. They are lucky if they can get a date. If they go to college, a lot of damage is done by academia but then they are thought to be snobs, money chasers…

When the women who worked for Komen’s foundation tried to change the money given to PP, many lost their jobs.

YES!! Bravo!! I could not possibly agree with you more!!

I absolutely detest the double wammy thrust upon women today!! I also detest that for to great of an amount, men have abdicated their responsibilities in general and also not value mothers enough! How many times on TV do we see Husband and Wife mocking and ridiculing each other on TV!!:bigyikes:

Spot on about the Komen foundation as well!!

Where are the men that should be fighting for the right of Komen to do as they wish and not be bullied by Planned Parenthood?

We failed to protect woman in the Garden. We must not fail here on earth as well.

We must not let women be drafted for Combat. We need our mothers.

Roosevelt; " A nation is only as strong as it’s mothers."

As for the dating - here is an example of the truly Feminist-ized male.

youtube.com/watch?v=F_PTxpIjGXE

Good Grief.

 

[Nimzovik]

It is dead. The Feminists have lost this battle whether they want to admit or not

Third wave feminism is not in much better shape. The females has taken the role as breadwinners to support the family yet there is a lot of anger at men. It is base\rf on contraception. and women limit their families to much smaller family units because they it is extremely difficult to be pregnant and work and mother. They can call for more daycare, etc. but that is just hurting the financial system of families because their tax rates keep going up.

Yes… And* then* there is the ‘Latch key kid’ issues…other people raising our children! The cancers that develop in women due to the Feminist advocated birth control pills that is declared a class one carcinogen by the WHO. (World Health Organization.) Speaking of birth control…who ever thought assuring that the woman was to made readily available to men for sex on demand for men, thanks to the pill was 'liberating?’ This is a pro - woman idea? At the risk of cancer? No. I have to believe that much machination is going on in terms of profiteers (the pill makers and others) that are funding ‘Disguised Pseudo Feminism’ and assuring it’s viability by way of social engineering a la TV and the educational system.

I’m sorry. If I am called a ‘mangina’ by the Men’s Rights Movement for saying this, but I simply assert that men must fight for the right of women to be women.

**The ugly sides of Feminism would never have reared it’s head if we men did our job. **

There! I feel better now.