Men's Rights and the Catholic Church

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Yes… I am not thrilled that so much angst of men is bleeding into the actual movement of Men’s rights. This results in a rather bitter attitude on some of it’s members. However, it should be noted that often ts is such angst that causes a movement to actually be born.

As for Feminists sabotaging Men’s Rights speechs and denying that Men’s rights are even worth mentioning see here:

See here: google Girl Writes What - The Great Poster Tear Down on 'youtube’

and here: statepress.com/2013/02/14/students-tear-cover-voice-for-men-signs/

and here: womenagainstmen.com/media/feminism-is-a-hate-group.html
Warning!!! May be some unsavory words on the attached video in the link.

and here: youtube.com/watch?v=709o6JSlWpA

here: youtube.com/watch?v=BdUsl4Rz-gA Warning - Feminist protesters are using unsavory language in this video of their behavior documenting their **anti **Men’s Rights stance.

Here is a sampling of classic Feminist tactics to employ when debating or discussing issues with Men’
exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

Here: is just a sampling of Feminist Hate Speech regarding men: fatherhoodcoalition.org/cpf/newreadings/2001/feminist_hate_speech.htm

Here is a sampling from Australia australian-news.net/anti_male.htm detailing some Feminist Legal tactics.

Here is more Feminist legal tactics: youtube.com/watch?v=lVcCZyhWcLY

Our fine young men have to endure this kind of anti - male propaganda on Campuses throughout the U.S. Feminst ‘Gender Studies’ are slanted at best and are hate speech indoctrination at the* worst,* IMHO.

Check out the Feminist T- Shirt below.

Need I go on? :cool:

If you need more, I suggest you do youtube and watch Girl Writes What.
 
lerapt78 said:
In many cases yes, the woman goes unpunished. This is without a doubt a disgusting violation of justice. Do these men ever file civil countersuits against their accusers?

I think we might disagree on Strauss, though I don’t want to get way off subject - I tend to believe this was a set-up to bring him down. I think someone in IMF orchestrated a Monica Lewinsky.:hmmm:

For my own information, do you have any sources to provide showing that specifically feminist organizations are derailing the lobbying efforts of men? I don’t know about the men’s shelters issue. I looked into volunteering for a homeless shelter here in the city that is run by my parish and it is for men only. Most of the shelters (at least in urban areas) are filled with men. I suppose a male victim of domestic violence could stay at a regular homeless shelter, no? I think the intent behind the domestic violence shelters for women is to protect them from their abusers going after them (they are supposed to be heavily secured), and also because many of them have children and the state is concerned with making sure that the children as well are protected.

I agree with this (except the war bit). Most men take pride in supporting their families, and this is often underappreciated.

Is this a reply to me? I was referring to DNA testing for paternity cases, not men in jail.

Could I ask you again to refer me to some links that show men’s rights advocacy being resisted by feminist organizations? What’s wrong with mandatory paternity tests, in your opinion?

I started reading a few men’s rights websites when I became interested in this subject and to be honest, I was quickly turned off. Not because there were no legitimate issues raised, but because of this attitude that seemed to prevail: “You can’t trust one woman, even if she claims to be sympathetic. They’re liars - all of them! - and are secretly plotting to betray you even when they pretend to care.” Not to mention that the websites disgusted me for a host of other reasons. Most of them (at least the popular ones) aren’t Catholic by any stretch of the imagination. There was one that I did like, and it was because the posters, even though they were very passionate about their cause, still managed to remain gentlemen. I’ll take a look at the links you provided - thanks for posting.
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Read Christina Hoff Sommers book “The War Against Boys” and you will have all the references you need for feminist obstruction in education.

Also, not every blog claiming to be about “men’s rights” is to be taken as an authority on the subject. The National Organization for Men run by Dr. Warren Farrell is a good example of an authority of the subject though. Dr. Farrell is actually a well respected scholar in the field and a former board member for NOW. I posted on the first page several links to literature that is an authority on men’s rights. Check them out. I am very skeptical about citing blogs or even news sites unless they have legitimate sources.

FYI, I have nothing against mandatory paternity tests. I was a little unclear about that. It is the feminists that oppose them though. The article I linked to was written by one of those supposed Catholic feminists. Yeah she pretty much thinks men’s only purpose is to be appointed a father by a woman.
 
silentfactor80 said:
Read Christina Hoff Sommers book “The War Against Boys” and you will have all the references you need for feminist obstruction in education.

Also, not every blog claiming to be about “men’s rights” is to be taken as an authority on the subject. The National Organization for Men run by Dr. Warren Farrell is a good example of an authority of the subject though. Dr. Farrell is actually a well respected scholar in the field and a former board member for NOW. I posted on the first page several links to literature that is an authority on men’s rights. Check them out. I am very skeptical about citing blogs or even news sites unless they have legitimate sources.

FYI, I have nothing against mandatory paternity tests. I was a little unclear about that. It is the feminists that oppose them though. The article I linked to was written by one of those supposed Catholic feminists. Yeah she pretty much thinks men’s only purpose is to be appointed a father by a woman.
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In regard to**: "**The article I linked to was written by one of those supposed Catholic feminists. Yeah she pretty much thinks men’s only purpose is to be appointed a father by a woman." :mad: So much for ‘equal rights’ - eh?

More true words were never spoken. This is the kind of stuff that is running rampant in our very own Holy Mother’s Catholic Church. This and those that are ‘Catholics that contracept.’ ‘Pro - Choice Catholics.’ Such terms are mutually exclusive.

It is these kinds of issues that compel me to ask why,** why** would any** Catholic** claim to be Feminist? Today’s Feminism is essentially, the adversary of Catholicism.

Look at the ‘gifts’ of Feminsim: Abortion. Contraception. Misandry. Advocacy for Female priests.

IMHO, the words Catholic and Feminist are mutually exclusive as well. :cool:
 
I think at the end of the day this is all about power. Men are believed to have it absolutely and women want it. The article I posted written by the Catholic feminist thinking men have no right to know if a child is biologically theirs is a perfect example. Being able to carry a child is an awesome power but not one that entitles women to “appoint” a man to be a father. It also does not entitle one to pretty much anything. Giving life is supposed to be a selfless and purely giving act. Feminists frequently underline the “biological inequality” between men and women as their rallying cry to use the legal system against men. Much of their attitude seems to be built on hubris and as we know that is how human fell in the first place. No, we can’'t outlaw hubris but culturally we can keep it in check. I think that is what many men’s rights want to do. I think most guys also just want a little respect.
 
Well said.

Respect. Yes. Respect is given to those that give respect. Who here can say the Feminist movement engenders respect for men?:rolleyes:

Note also. Last time I looked, men help make babies too. :cool:
 
originally posted by silentfactor80
I think at the end of the day this is all about power. Men are believed to have it absolutely and women want it. The article I posted written by the Catholic feminist thinking men have no right to know if a child is biologically theirs is a perfect example. Being able to carry a child is an awesome power but not one that entitles women to “appoint” a man to be a father. It also does not entitle one to pretty much anything. Giving life is supposed to be a selfless and purely giving act. Feminists frequently underline the “biological inequality” between men and women as their rallying cry to use the legal system against men. Much of their attitude seems to be built on hubris and as we know that is how human fell in the first place. No, we can’'t outlaw hubris but culturally we can keep it in check. I think that is what many men’s rights want to do. I think most guys also just want a little respect.
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It is about perceived power.

Many feminists really hate men and think the world would be less inclined to war and violence without them. I don’t know how this came about and can’t trace the beginning of this movement. We see some things in 1848 as posted (we know its from the Fall but besides that) I wonder why it has taken root so strongly?

I really wonder if women really believe their lives are better for it or just go along so not to make waves. We are supposedly on this third wave. The first two haven’t work out that well?
 
originally posted by lerapt78
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In many cases yes, the woman goes unpunished. This is without a doubt a disgusting violation of justice. Do these men ever file civil countersuits against their accusers?
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I think we might disagree on Strauss, though I don’t want to get way off subject - I tend to believe this was a set-up to bring him down. I think someone in IMF orchestrated a Monica Lewinsky
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If they do civil cases we never hear about it. Seriously, there is an unfairness but I bet woman perceive it as being very fair.

There is nothing we can do about feminism - it is taught in out schools from day 1. I am sure they are still waiting for the first woman president and she be probably be a rapid feminist.
 
gam197 said:
If they do civil cases we never hear about it. Seriously, there is an unfairness but I bet woman perceive it as being very fair.

There is nothing we can do about feminism - it is taught in out schools from day 1. I am sure they are still waiting for the first woman president and she be probably be a rapid feminist.
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It’s sociological. Men used to be more necessary and are now perceived to be less necessary. Women can control their reproduction, they can work, drive, vote. Work used to be harder. Men and their sons did all the heavy lifting. (It wasn’t so easy on the girls either, they were tough) We’re having all kinds of social ills catching up to advances in techology and the associated social changes. As recently as the 1930’s the US was mostly rural. Most people grew up on small farms. City folks at least stayed in the same city so you had abundnat family around (family helps maintain some base level of social conformity). Now families are scattered all across the country. We go where the jobs are or take us. That conformity to behave in a upper and lower limit of normalcy is not as enforced socially as it used to be. Now the whackos can run amuck.

Now we are 80% urban. Work is not as physical (women can do it.)

Compound that with the influence of the secular media, and the whole “Men Are from Mars and Women are from Venus” thing… well, there you have it.

In John Irving’s book “The World According to Garp”, Garp’s mom (Glenn Close) wrote a book called “A Sexual Suspect” because she had a child whose father was an army pilot in a coma (she was a nurse). There you have it. Women don’t need men to reproduce. They need an interlude to impregnate themselves on their terms.

So sad. We need to understand what is happening to us and why from a cultural, sociological, psychological perspective that incorporates history and the rapid changes we have seen in the last 50 years. For us it really took off after WW2. Lot’s of men and women undergoing social upheaval, economic boom (no worldly competition). It was off to the races. Eisenhower had a clue. Then birth control even allowed promiscuity to be “controlled”. Shame used to be a motivator for moral behavior. With birth control, you didn’t have to be concerned with the fear of shame because no one was going to know or there was at least plausible deniability.
 
Nimzovik said:
Let’s get down to it shall we? See here: The ‘Disappearing Male.’

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1632413.stm

and here:

drweil.com/drw/u/WBL02125/Are-Men-Becoming-Extinct.html

Here we come— youtube.com/watch?v=HiD2CGkoNts

No doubt Feminism’s next step will be the “Y” bomb!

Ok. Let them marry each other then. They* worked* **hard **for it. Let them have it. 😉
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Interesting but I don’t see any solutions being offered.
We need solutions.
Education, evangelization and enlightenment are what is needed.
We need to lead by example. We need to be the spiritual leaders in our homes.
We have wives and daughters, moms and sisters. Women co-workers. We have the motive, means and the opportunity to influence them.

Tune In to the Holy Spirit, Turn on to Jesus Christ and Drop Out of the culture of death.
 
I used to take umbrage at the way TV shows in the last couple decades have nearly universally protrayed men as fools, idiots, slobs, lazy and self-centered (especially sitcoms). Then one day I realized WHY that was and it didn’t bother me anymore.

For some unknown reason, I actually looked at the names of the writers of a show that particularly bothered me. They were all men. All. So I lightened up. Human nature is such that we can make fun of ourselves more easily than others. And it’s probably healthier too. Some day when black women make up the entire staff of writers and producers of a show maybe they’ll poke fun at themselves too. Who knows…

I see a parallel in racial affirmative action. I’m a white boy in a traditionally white boy business. I go to trade groups, get work via political schmoozing, etc. At every one of the get-togethers I attend, I hear whining from the old boys about how hard it is nowadays to get government work unless you are minority or a woman owned business. But you know what? When I look around the room, what do I see? I room full of wealthy, successful middle aged white male business owners with few to no brown faces or women in sight (other than the ones that came on the arm of said white guys). So you really DO have to look at the larger context when you start to feel victimized. Sometimes objective reality isn’t as harsh as subjective experience feels.
 
migueltojose said:
Interesting but I don’t see any solutions being offered.
We need solutions.
Education, evangelization and enlightenment are what is needed.
We need to lead by example. We need to be the spiritual leaders in our homes.
We have wives and daughters, moms and sisters. Women co-workers. We have the motive, means and the opportunity to influence them.

Tune In to the Holy Spirit, Turn on to Jesus Christ and Drop Out of the culture of death.
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Ahhhhhhhh… I was just waiting for someone to be energized and motivational.

Yes. Our Lord evangelized the world with just 12. We have the Spirit. We have the scriptures.

It can be done!
 
manualman said:
I used to take umbrage at the way TV shows in the last couple decades have nearly universally protrayed men as fools, idiots, slobs, lazy and self-centered (especially sitcoms). Then one day I realized WHY that was and it didn’t bother me anymore.

For some unknown reason, I actually looked at the names of the writers of a show that particularly bothered me. They were all men. All. So I lightened up. Human nature is such that we can make fun of ourselves more easily than others. And it’s probably healthier too. Some day when black women make up the entire staff of writers and producers of a show maybe they’ll poke fun at themselves too. Who knows…

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I wish it were that simple. Have you noticed Fox News and CNN? Both “NEWS” :rolleyes: organizations offer different spin for the very same story. Does CNN promote the Feminist Agenda? Yes it does. Why. Because they promote the Decratic Party agenda. See here: for Ted Turner’s campaign contributions.
newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/Ted_Turner.php
Do the Democrats proclaim there is a 'War on Women’ perpetrated by Republicans?
Yes indeed. They promote the Feminist agenda (such as abortion.) Is Obama funded by Planned Parenthood? Yes. Would a TV network like CNN, promote Feminist TV shows? You decide. Would men betray their sex just to make money in writting these shows? You betcha.

Does ‘Madison Avenue’ cater to the Feminist demographic? Remember Virginia Slims cigarettes? Their slogan? “You’ve come a long way baby,” a veiled reference to the feminist movement. ‘Womans Deodorant’ ‘Pink Razors’ I could go on forever.

Do Feminists have their fingers in TV programming?
See here: sexyfeminist.com/2012/09/21/5-feminist-tv-shows-to-watch-this-fall/

here: asc.upenn.edu/courses/comm334/Docs/femads.pdf (PDF)

See here how Feminists punish Networks that do not tow the ‘Party Line’
wnd.com/2010/01/123217/

an interesting read here: cnn.com/2012/11/09/living/millennials-feminism/index.html

and here: renewamerica.com/columns/roberts/041019

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2122741/Feminist-writer-calls-boycott-Katy-Perry-video-propaganda-Marines.html

Do Feminsts endeavor to socially engineer the world to their way of thinking on TV and other Media outlets?

Methinks they do.
 
manualman said:
I used to take umbrage at the way TV shows in the last couple decades have nearly universally protrayed men as fools, idiots, slobs, lazy and self-centered (especially sitcoms). Then one day I realized WHY that was and it didn’t bother me anymore.

For some unknown reason, I actually looked at the names of the writers of a show that particularly bothered me. They were all men. All. So I lightened up. Human nature is such that we can make fun of ourselves more easily than others. And it’s probably healthier too. Some day when black women make up the entire staff of writers and producers of a show maybe they’ll poke fun at themselves too. Who knows…

I see a parallel in racial affirmative action. I’m a white boy in a traditionally white boy business. I go to trade groups, get work via political schmoozing, etc. At every one of the get-togethers I attend, I hear whining from the old boys about how hard it is nowadays to get government work unless you are minority or a woman owned business. But you know what? When I look around the room, what do I see? I room full of wealthy, successful middle aged white male business owners with few to no brown faces or women in sight (other than the ones that came on the arm of said white guys). So you really DO have to look at the larger context when you start to feel victimized. Sometimes objective reality isn’t as harsh as subjective experience feels.
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You have to compare apples to apples. Government jobs typically have good benefits and salary has caught up with the private industry. Working in private industry is a lot harder than government. Also, think about the young guys like myself who aren’t where you are yet. You had it easy but that doesn’t mean us younger guys do.
 
manualman said:
For some unknown reason, I actually looked at the names of the writers of a show that particularly bothered me. They were all men. All. So I lightened up. Human nature is such that we can make fun of ourselves more easily than others. And it’s probably healthier too. Some day when black women make up the entire staff of writers and producers of a show maybe they’ll poke fun at themselves too. Who knows…
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No they won’t.

And men are feminist too. Being feminist does not mean your sex is female. Male feminist are something like–at times–light skinned black people that look down their nose at much darker black people.
 
Methinks there is a vast difference between Men that treat women appropriately, like, say Catholics for an example and men that are Feminists.
 
Nimzovik said:
Methinks there is a vast difference between Men that treat women appropriately, like, say Catholics for an example and men that are Feminists.
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Some men accept the label “feminist” because it is politically correct and beneficial to their career. A perfect example is this NYT reporter (nytimes.com/2012/08/25/opinion/men-who-needs-them.html?_r=0). Some may also do it because that is what they have to for reproductive purposes. I think still more accept it because contrary to what many feminists would like society to believe, guys to do have sincere feelings for women and these guys don’t know any other way to honor women than bashing men. (guilt complex)
 
silentfactor80 said:
Some men accept the label “feminist” because it is politically correct and beneficial to their career. A perfect example is this NYT reporter (nytimes.com/2012/08/25/opinion/men-who-needs-them.html?_r=0). Some may also do it because that is what they have to for reproductive purposes. I think still more accept it because contrary to what many feminists would like society to believe, guys to do have sincere feelings for women and these guys don’t know any other way to honor women than bashing men. (guilt complex)
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I think I have to cosign this.

I do dislike something about men though, or at least sharing the same sex with certain men. The cruelty of some towards little children, women, and girls. Like some of these male serial killers of women out her that rape, torture, taunt, and murder their female victims. Like some of these men running around abducting other peoples children and killing them and maybe dismembering them.
 
TimeEntrance said:
I think I have to cosign this.

I do dislike something about men though, or at least sharing the same sex with certain men. The cruelty of some towards little children, women, and girls. Like some of these male serial killers of women out her that rape, torture, taunt, and murder their female victims. Like some of these men running around abducting other peoples children and killing them and maybe dismembering them.
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So you don’t like men… hate the sin love the sinner…

First of all media coverage is far more ‘national’ - used to be these things were kept localized. Your sick examples are extremely extremely rare too. And sensationalized.

Second of all… what are the root causes? For one thing, an enforceable baseline of what is acceptable normal behavior. Used to be everyone knew everyone and behavior “out of bounds” was handled by family, friends and neighbors. (Think Sonny in “The Godfather”) People behaved. Fear of being ostracized or marginalized was enough in most cases to curb behavior. The nuclear family, transient society, where we hardly know our neighbors and families are scattered across the country has minimized social accountability. As well as multi-culturalism. Not saying it’s bad necessarily, just saying there are consequences. We need to understand what is going on in our society and why. We need to understand where we were, where we are, where do we want to be and how are we going to get there. It’s called a strategy, with tactics. Preceded by analysis.

When’s the last time we had one of those? It’s not exactly rocket science.

But we can’t have a national discussion like this because we’re too immature. it deteriorates into a blame game and name calling. We need to grow up.

We have many social ills. Don’t compound them.
 
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