Men's Rights and the Catholic Church

[lerapt78]

See here: google Girl Writes What - The Great Poster Tear Down on 'youtube’

She’s good. I like her sarcastic style.

The fathersforlife.org site looks good as well. I like that it gives a bit of background history, though I think it ignores a couple of pink elephants in the room. I earmarked it so I can get back to it at a later time.

 

[gam197]

originally poste by migueltojose
It’s sociological. Men used to be more necessary and are now perceived to be less necessary. Women can control their reproduction, they can work, drive, vote. Work used to be harder. Men and their sons did all the heavy lifting. (It wasn’t so easy on the girls either, they were tough) We’re having all kinds of social ills catching up to advances in techology and the associated social changes. As recently as the 1930’s the US was mostly rural. Most people grew up on small farms. City folks at least stayed in the same city so you had abundnat family around (family helps maintain some base level of social conformity). Now families are scattered all across the country. We go where the jobs are or take us. That conformity to behave in a upper and lower limit of normalcy is not as enforced socially as it used to be. Now the whackos can run amuck.

Now we are 80% urban. Work is not as physical (women can do it.)

Compound that with the influence of the secular media, and the whole “Men Are from Mars and Women are from Venus” thing… well, there you have it.

In John Irving’s book “The World According to Garp”, Garp’s mom (Glenn Close) wrote a book called “A Sexual Suspect” because she had a child whose father was an army pilot in a coma (she was a nurse). There you have it. Women don’t need men to reproduce. They need an interlude to impregnate themselves on their terms.

So sad. We need to understand what is happening to us and why from a cultural, sociological, psychological perspective that incorporates history and the rapid changes we have seen in the last 50 years. For us it really took off after WW2. Lot’s of men and women undergoing social upheaval, economic boom (no worldly competition). It was off to the races. Eisenhower had a clue. Then birth control even allowed promiscuity to be “controlled”. Shame used to be a motivator for moral behavior. With birth control, you didn’t have to be concerned with the fear of shame because no one was going to know or there was at least plausible deniability.

Thanks. The first wave brought in the vote and the idea that you could have it all.

The second wave brought in reproductive control and that was a major change. The third wave of feminism is rejecting the second wave and sees them as “bitter women”

Eisenhower had a clue. Then birth control even allowed promiscuity to be “controlled”

That was the fifties and that is interesting.

…

Girls have always rebelled against their mothers , I think

Also of interest in the fact that men at least in the cold climate do most of the hard work. They do the snow clean-up , fix most things and do the logging, etc. So this idea that there still isn’t hard work to do, there is. It just doesn’t pay as well as many of the office type jobs where women seek work…

 

[Nimzovik]

She’s good. I like her sarcastic style.

The fathersforlife.org site looks good as well. I like that it gives a bit of background history, though I think it ignores a couple of pink elephants in the room. I earmarked it so I can get back to it at a later time.

Concurence on both points.

 

[Nimzovik]

Some men accept the label “feminist” because it is politically correct and beneficial to their career. A perfect example is this NYT reporter (nytimes.com/2012/08/25/opinion/men-who-needs-them.html?_r=0). Some may also do it because that is what they have to for reproductive purposes. I think still more accept it because contrary to what many feminists would like society to believe, guys to do have sincere feelings for women and these guys don’t know any other way to honor women than bashing men. (guilt complex)

Bolding Mine:

Yes. The bold type highlights the main Characteristic of the male “White Knight.”

 

[silentfactor80]

I think I have to cosign this.

I do dislike something about men though, or at least sharing the same sex with certain men. The cruelty of some towards little children, women, and girls. Like some of these male serial killers of women out her that rape, torture, taunt, and murder their female victims. Like some of these men running around abducting other peoples children and killing them and maybe dismembering them.

Women do all the same things and most children are killed by their mothers so you may want to check your bias and brainwashing. Perhaps if you didn’t see women as the benevolent angels feminists want you to think they are you would realize that the things you mentioned are not male-issues only. If you checked the other links posted in the forum you would also see that older women rape teenage boys and the boys are then forced to pay child support. The FBI doesn’t even acknowledge that men can be raped so is it really a surprise it only looks like a female issue??

 

[Nimzovik]

I think I have to cosign this.

I do dislike something about men though, or at least sharing the same sex with certain men. The cruelty of some towards little children, women, and girls. Like some of these male serial killers of women out her that rape, torture, taunt, and murder their female victims. Like some of these men running around abducting other peoples children and killing them and maybe dismembering them.

Yes. Everyone here, and every right thinking person, methinks would condemn such atrocious violence. And I, as an advocate for Men’s Rights *as well, *person, would be one of the first ones to defend women against such horrors.

Now. Let us broach a subject that the Feminists not only avoid, but** also** often try to blame the men for, and systematically repress such knowledge from coming to the Public Consciousness.

See this link. youtube.com/watch?v=nCpr3hr0K30 for confirmation of what I just wrote.

-]Women/-] Feminists use ‘shaming tactics.’ In the particular instance of what I speak, the example being: " All men are potential rapists." Feminists ‘shame’ men in the Public Arena, for purposes of motivating their flock and marginalizing men in regard to the child custody legal system aspects.

However, let us take a much closer look at rape. The Female pedophile. The sexualizing of the male child by ‘Toxic Mothering.’ Having worked in the Psych. Field for 30 + years I have read the charts of many rapists and sexually violent predators. Rape is all too often not motivated for mere sexual gratification. It is about power. It is about control. Often it is about a male child inapproprately sexualized at a very young age, *and *throughout his teen years, and feel never in control of his own body, due to a **‘Toxic Mother,’ a female pedophile. **Rape is very frequently about learned woman hatred and striking back at Toxic Mommy.

**See here: **https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz3YxFbrwsY for a classic example of Toxic Mother.

So. When Feminists attempt to publicly denigrate men by accusing the **species of Men as genetically predisosed rapists, due to ‘Testosterone Poisoning’ , Men can counter about rape and it’s true origins. For trully. No one is born a rapist. It is a learned behavior.

 

[Nimzovik]

Women do all the same things and most children are killed by their mothers so you may want to check your bias and brainwashing. Perhaps if you didn’t see women as the benevolent angels feminists want you to think they are you would realize that the things you mentioned are not male-issues only. If you checked the other links posted in the forum you would also see that older women rape teenage boys and the boys are then forced to pay child support. The FBI doesn’t even acknowledge that men can be raped so is it really a surprise it only looks like a female issue??

Yeah. No kidding. Great links BTW.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by silentfactor80
If you checked the other links posted in the forum you would also see that older women rape teenage boys and the boys are then forced to pay child support. The FBI doesn’t even acknowledge that men can be raped so is it really a surprise it only looks like a female issue??

It is not just the females who won’t acknowledge this, it is the males. They somehow see this as a right of passage for teen boys or I’ve even heard some males say it’s every boy’s dream and they laugh? huh!

I read the article you posted. Women do kill their their born children but I don’t think it is as pervasive as male on female violence and that is why the males lose on this issue. It simply has to do with size and power.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by migueltojose
So sad. We need to understand what is happening to us and why from a cultural, sociological, psychological perspective that incorporates history and the rapid changes we have seen in the last 50 years. For us it really took off after WW2. Lot’s of men and women undergoing social upheaval, economic boom (no worldly competition). It was off to the races. Eisenhower had a clue. Then birth control even allowed promiscuity to be “controlled”. Shame used to be a motivator for moral behavior. With birth control, you didn’t have to be concerned with the fear of shame because no one was going to know or there was at least plausible deniability.

Do you think a another factor of how this happened was in the 50’s culture there was and still exists today that you “never talk about religion or politics” even within close family units. It is shunned as it only causes fracture to the unit.

Maybe it wasn’t but if you can’t talk to your sister about such things, very little communication goes on. It is more superficial. And the question becomes, how do you talk to them without causing issues or anger?

 

[silentfactor80]

It is not just the females who won’t acknowledge this, it is the males. They somehow see this as a right of passage for teen boys or I’ve even heard some males say it’s every boy’s dream and they laugh? huh!

I read the article you posted. Women do kill their their born children but I don’t think it is as pervasive as male on female violence and that is why the males lose on this issue. It simply has to do with size and power.

In response to your first claim, yes it is true! The question is why haven’t the people who have the microphone (feminists) made an issue out of this. I mean that attitude is the objectifying of women which is something feminists are supposed to be against. Why do they not take a strong stance against women doing that to boys? It would send a message to “those males” that it is not ok.

The reason it may not seem as pervasive is that we don’t report such statistics. The only reason we even know about male against female violence is that it gets reported. Crime can’t get reported if a certain act is not considered a crime. That was my point. I don’t have time at the moment to post a link but some of the news articles I have read show that men and women perpetrate domestics violence in about the same quantity. Also, female aggression is more relational. This kind of aggression can be just as damaging to a person as physical aggression because it may lead one to suicide (think bullying).

The aggression you speak of is male on male specifically. Yes, men are more physically aggressive with other guys. The reason for that however is a survival instinct. If you think about gangs, most gangs exist for survival. Young men join them because they have no skills by which to earn an honest living. The problem is exacerbated by a society that thinks building prisons is the answer to men’s issues and many feminists are more than happy to see men locked away. If we spent as much money on educating the disadvantaged male as we do on the supposedly disadvantaged female male violence would decline.

 

[Nimzovik]

It is not just the females who won’t acknowledge this, it is the males. They somehow see this as a right of passage for teen boys or I’ve even heard some males say it’s every boy’s dream and they laugh? huh!

I read the article you posted. Women do kill their their born children but I don’t think it is as pervasive as male on female violence and that is why the males lose on this issue. It simply has to do with size and power.

Nimzovik Responds

Au contraire! Point one: It is not about ‘win’ or ‘lose’. It **is **about society being able to acknowledge Men’s issues! Point two: “It simply has to do with size and power.” eh? Men do the most damage because of size eh? Let us talk about damage - shall we?

See here: youtube.com/watch?v=y7ot_nESusw

and here: youtube.com/watch?v=vTlXB8QHyPs

See Feminist reaction to such female initiated violence here:

youtube.com/watch?v=VKgwczruOSQ

**Then there is this! **
youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

Note the ploiceman’s comment! *Routinely, *Men go to jail when Women initiate violence! Would you like to debate this one?

So. Just who does the most damage- eh?

In reaction to: “It is not just the females who won’t acknowledge this, it is the males. They somehow see this as a right of passage for teen boys or I’ve even heard some males say it’s every boy’s dream and they laugh? huh!”

You are exactly correct. Men can be their own worst enemy. This is acutely highligted when Men refer to themselves as Feminist. Why would they ever want to do that? Why* not* refer to themselves more appropriately as Catholics, or at least, as we - ists? Why *not cover *the other 50 % of the World’s population? This is a stellar example of what is only recently being recognized as Men being referred to as the 'Ignored Sex’

**Lorenna Bobbitt regards, **
Nim.

 

[Nimzovik]

How synchronistic that this is making the NEWS:

sfgate.com/crime/article/Livermore-woman-who-had-sex-with-boys-back-in-jail-4289695.php

A ‘Toxic Mom’ indeed!

 

[silentfactor80]

How synchronistic that this is making the NEWS:

sfgate.com/crime/article/Livermore-woman-who-had-sex-with-boys-back-in-jail-4289695.php

A ‘Toxic Mom’ indeed!

If it was a man that did that to a young girl you can bet he would be getting more than 5 years on a plea deal. Of coarse no major news outlet will touch this though.

 

[Nimzovik]

Indeed.

 

[Nimzovik]

Yeah. No kidding. Great links BTW.

Note too, that the link silentfactor80 provided above in reference to Domestic Violence, that statistically ‘Most children are killed by their Mothers,’ there is yet another component to female homocidal behavior. That is Abortion.

One certainly can not blame ‘Testosterone Poisoning’ as Feminists are generically want to do, for such aberant homocidal tendencies.

 

[gam197]

See here: youtube.com/watch?v=y7ot_nESusw

and here: youtube.com/watch?v=vTlXB8QHyPs

See Feminist reaction to such female initiated violence here:

youtube.com/watch?v=VKgwczruOSQ

I did watch these. They would be seen as isolated incidents. Your right, the women are laughling and get away with it as most see men as “sexual aggressors”.

No one wants to hear men complain. I am not even sure they want to hear
women complain.

Then there is this!
youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

Note the ploiceman’s comment! Routinely, Men go to jail when Women initiate violence! Would you like to debate this one?

Interesting.Most believe he can leave the situation if he is being abused but when a man beats up a women, they feel she can’t get out of the situation.

 

[Nimzovik]

I wish I had a dime for every time a man tried to get away from an abusive woman and yet gets pursued down the street.

 

[Nimzovik]

Here is yet more thought provoking material from Girl Writes What in terms of Domestic Violence and Feminist spin.
youtube.com/watch?v=JHkGZvC0z4I

Warning. Truth and Unsavory speech may be offered on this link.

 

[gam197]

I girlwriteswhat. I listened to Domestic Violence and Feminist’s spin. IThere is just so much that society has told everyone that is so false.

I also watched her new video -MHRM-which has very little on it except to say they can’t be all-inclusive because they really tackle one issue and that is enough.

They will advocate for all male but it has to be a male related issue. The Daily Kos goes after her. Notice it has 805 comments and it has only been out 1 day.

 

[Nimzovik]

Yes. The ‘views’ numbers on **Girl Writes What **articles are growing almost exponentially.

She is something of a Phenom. Partly because she tells it like it trully is. Partly becasue there is so much Male angst out there. Partly because she is one of the few voices out there that advocate for true equality.

Then also of course, she is just very, very, very good at what she does.

Soon the main stream will have to acknowledge her. The Daily Kos is just the first dominoe.

Men will read her and go Duh! Yeah! Hey! What about that! Huh! I didn’t realize what a sham job that has been happening to me! In other words…Sham** Wow!** (sorry vince)

Don’t ever, ever think for one moment that Feminsm is about equality. It is about privilege. It is about Power. It is about money as well. It is about a group of people, Feminist women, being ‘more equal’ than all the rest.’

She is in*** my*** prayers!

Word!