Mentions of Jesus divinity in the Bible?

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AlNg said:
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which still has nothing to do with faith or this thread.
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The question is the divinity of Jesus and whether or not it is mentioned in the Bible. That is the topic under discussion. There are those who say yes, and there are those who say no. OTOH, there is no one who says that the base angles of an isosceles triangle are not equal. Why is that. It is because some people see ambiguity in the Bible, whereas there are subjects in which there is no ambiguity. So as regards the divinity of Jesus, why is the Bible not crystal clear on the subject so as to prevent any misunderstanding or disagreement among those reading and studying Holy Scripture?
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Because that is not the purpose of the bible like many people NEED to believe. If it were the purpose then either Jesus would have wrote it himself or the writings would not have taken 20 years to begin and another 50 years to complete. Jesus left us a church, the pillar and foundation of truth to guide those who are seeking truth and salvation. It is still up to each individual to accept Christ on his/her own free will. God doesn’t want us to formulate our relationship with Him like the pathagorean theorem and use it because it might make sense. That is why we say “he wants us to have that personal relationship”.

Peace!!!
 
AlNg said:
So as regards the divinity of Jesus, why is the Bible not crystal clear on the subject so as to prevent any misunderstanding or disagreement among those reading and studying Holy Scripture?
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I think the whole “rising from the dead” part kind of covers that. 😉
 
Technically God caused Jesus to rise from the dead so Jesus could have risen but still not been divine.
 
adf417 said:
It is still up to each individual to accept Christ on his/her own free will.
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JW accept Christ on their own free will and Muslims accept Christ on their own free will. they accept him as a prophet but not as divine. The question at hand is whether or not the divinity of Jesus is mentioned in the Bible. Both JW and Muslims say no. This would not be true of other subjects such as Euclidean geometry where it is universally accepted by everyone who has free will that the base angles of an isosceles triangle are equal.
adf417 said:
God doesn’t want us to formulate our relationship with Him like the pathagorean theorem and use it because it might make sense. That is why we say “he wants us to have that personal relationship”.
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I thought the question was about the divinity of Jesus in the Bible, not whether or not you have a personal relationship with Jesus. You can have a personal relationship with someone who is not divine. Many JW will tell you that they have a personal relationship with Jesus but they do not see the Bible as indicating that Jesus was divine.
 
adf417 said:
It was that post i replied to.
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To repeat: Euclid wanted it to be clearly understood that the base angles of an isosceles triangle were equal and that the sum of the angles of a triangle were 180 degrees. He worked hard to achieve that so that whoever studied this subject would see that it was true.
Do you agree that it is not clear from the Bible as to whether or not Jesus is divine?
  1. If yes, then why did not the writers of the Bible want it to be clearly understood that Jesus was divine.
  2. If no,and you say that it is clear from the Bible that Jesus is divine, how do you explain that Jews and JW and Muslims do not agree. The JW spend a lot of time reading and studying the Bible. You know that there are some very intelligent people who say that the Bible is not clear as to His Divinity and they do not accept it. This is not true of many other subjects, where there is universal agreement on certain points at least.
 
Sure. But Jesus was the only one who didn’t die a second time.

From John–
15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”

23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
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If you love me, keep whose commands? His. Who is he to command us? God. Did the the widow of Zarephath’s son talk like that when Elijah raised him from the dead?

“Because I live, you also will live.” Did the the Shunammite woman’s son talk like that when Elisha raised him from the dead? Nope.

“On that day, you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.” Did the body that got resurrected from contact with Elisha’s bones have anything profound to say?

“These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.” Did… um, I seem to have run out of Old Testament resurrections. 😛

The other Biblical people who rose from the dead, btw, are all connected to Jesus-- the widow of Nain’s son in Luke 7; Jairus’ daughter in Luke 8; Lazarus from John 11; the numerous people in Matthew 27 who rose at Jesus’ death–
The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
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–Jesus’ disciple, Peter, raises Tabitha/Dorcas in Acts 9; and Paul, a post-Resurrection convert of Jesus’, raises Eutychus in Acts 20.
 
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Powerful exposition @GodSoughtMe may I ask you the source of this analyses?
 
@AlNg, please I’m really enjoying the Christology and biblical study on this thread. Leave the math out for once…Please…And let the folks post their stuff without going into arguments, I’m really enjoying everyone’s contribution.
 
If 53 people raised from the dead when Jesus died why are there no extra biblical accounts of it happening? I love your breakdown and it’s helping me tremendously by the way!
 
AlNg said:
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adf417:
It was that post i replied to.
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To repeat: Euclid wanted it to be clearly understood that the base angles of an isosceles triangle were equal and that the sum of the angles of a triangle were 180 degrees. He worked hard to achieve that so that whoever studied this subject would see that it was true.
Do you agree that it is not clear from the Bible as to whether or not Jesus is divine?
  1. If yes, then why did not the writers of the Bible want it to be clearly understood that Jesus was divine.
  2. If no,and you say that it is clear from the Bible that Jesus is divine, how do you explain that Jews and JW and Muslims do not agree. The JW spend a lot of time reading and studying the Bible. You know that there are some very intelligent people who say that the Bible is not clear as to His Divinity and they do not accept it. This is not true of many other subjects, where there is universal agreement on certain points at least.
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Yes i agree that it is not clear from the bible that Jesus was divine which is why the need for the early church councils of Nicea and Ephesus. Why? So people will come to this conclusion on their own free will and not because God commanded it in scripture.

Peace!!!
 
Your post really does deserve the compliment. I’ll be coming back to it, so I can memorize the logic.

BTW: I bought the cross in your avatar at a monastery and have it on my bookshelf. Do you know the history or origin of that specific representation?
 
KJW5551 said:
If it wasn’t clear, then why did all of the early Church Fathers believe that Jesus was divine FAR before the councils you cite? See the article below (courtesy of @Brittany from another thread):

Nine Early Church Fathers Who Taught Jesus Is God
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I didn’t say the belief of Jesus divinity came from the councils. Im Catholic! I said the understanding of this is not explicitly spelled out in scripture and the councils helped clear up the already understood doctrine.

Peace!!!
 
The San Damiano cross - i did a little research on it last year when i was tasked to make one as our new processional cross for Mass at our church. I understand the original to be a painting (as opposed to an actual cross) that many replicas come from around the world. You can buy the painting replica on canvas.

Peace!!!
 
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