Merck CEO resigns from President's Manufacturing Coucil

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Ridgerunner said:
Was Trump required to approve of everything every member and his industry does in order to have him/her on the advisory council? Or were the chosen because they have an effect on their various industries and have a significant amount of knowledge about the interaction of their industries and the economy as a whole?
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Yes, but once you choose him, don’t denounce him later. It is your own judgment that has been made to look bad.

More to the point, being so public with his vitriol when he is crossed only makes it harder to get anyone to sign on to work with him. If you want smart people to work for you, you will find it easier if you make yourself seem like someone a smart person would want to work for.

The President needs his temper to be his friend–or perhaps I should say his servant–to be neither so predictably genial as Gerald Ford nor so predictably vitriolic as Lyndon Johnson. It needs to be saved for the day when the moneychanger’s tables need to be upset, not used on every target every day until it becomes less of a reflection of how dire a situation is than a reflection of how little self-control the man has.
 
SyroMalankara said:
But MS13 is large enough to merit mention? And “RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR” is so large that he needs to repeat it over and over?

Double standard.
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Trump hasn’t said “RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM” for months now. Do you have a current source for him using that exact phrase any time in the last 3 months? After demanding Obama absolutely had to say it, he’s awfully silent on calling evil by its name.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Was Trump required to approve of everything every member and his industry does in order to have him/her on the advisory council? Or were the chosen because they have an effect on their various industries and have a significant amount of knowledge about the interaction of their industries and the economy as a whole?
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Same as Trump is not required, as are all the members in his cabinet or in his council.

Nobody is married to each other, if something doesn’t seem right then get out.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Let’s be honest with this. Trump is being criticized because he didn’t “go racial” and say “white” in talking about “hatred and bigotry”. He just condemned “hatred and bigotry” that occurred in the confrontation.
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No. He said “on all sides” when only one side were un-American, un-patriotic domestic terrorists. Can you at least be honest and call it terrorism?
 
sallybutler said:
Trump has now called out the Neo-Nazis, KKK, and white supremcists groups. Those who still think those groups are somehow okay, misunderstood, or just like every other group, know the President does not agree with you.
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“…does not agree with you?” Where did I say I think Neo-Nazis, KKK and white supremacist groups are “okay”?

I didn’t, and it is wrong to accuse me of it. What I actually said is that they are a tiny concatenation of fringe groups.
 
Ridgerunner said:
“…does not agree with you?” Where did I say I think Neo-Nazis, KKK and white supremacist groups are “okay”?

I didn’t, and it is wrong to accuse me of it. What I actually said is that they are a tiny concatenation of fringe groups.
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I apologize. I certainly did not mean to suggest, or even imply, that you personally supported these groups. I should have posted it as a new post instead of as a reply.

However, there have been others who have strongly supported these groups, not of having the right to speak, but of having valid ideas. For those people, Trump has said he does not support their ideas
 
Ridgerunner said:
Lots of people, including here on CAF accuse him of it. So, if they’re right, he does. 😉
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Actually, if we are honest about it, nobody in the world news section has accused him of price gouging. Someone accused him of gouging the taxpayer by going to Mar a Lago, but nobody complained about the prices he charges.
 
randomuser said:
No. He said “on all sides” when only one side were un-American, un-patriotic domestic terrorists. Can you at least be honest and call it terrorism?
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Possibly I have not read or heard enough of the news. I think I would want to know more about both groups and what they did before saying an honest and knowledgeable answer can be given.

At this point, all I really know is that one group, or at least some parts of the group, were members of white supremacy groups of some kind. I also know that fights broke out among some of them and at least some members of a counter-protest group or bunch of groups. In the course of it, some person, apparently from Ohio, decided to run over people (or seemed to) and killed more than one person and injured several in doing it. More needs to be known about him, but at this point he seems a dastardly murderer. Whether he can be rightly be called a “terrorist” in addition to “murderer” I don’t know at this point.

Since this seems to have turned into a “Trump-hate-fest”, I think reserving judgment until more facts are known is the wisest course, since hatred of Trump doesn’t determine the facts of the occasion itself.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Actually, if we are honest about it, nobody in the world news section has accused him of price gouging. Someone accused him of gouging the taxpayer by going to Mar a Lago, but nobody complained about the prices he charges.
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Not just Mar a Lago. Trump Tower as well.
 
sallybutler said:
However, there have been others who have strongly supported these groups, not of having the right to speak, but of having valid ideas. For those people, Trump has said he does not support their ideas
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Perhaps you are conflaiting the many ideas they support.

I’ve never seen anyone here support their real bigotry, but many liberals here conflate supporting the rule of law with bigotry.
 
Ridgerunner said:
“…does not agree with you?” Where did I say I think Neo-Nazis, KKK and white supremacist groups are “okay”?

I didn’t, and it is wrong to accuse me of it. What I actually said is that they are a tiny concatenation of fringe groups.
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The white supremist groups include some of the most violent fringe groups, however. They are also unfortunately seeing their greatest growth in prison populations, where other violent criminals are organizing themselves along ethnic lines. In prison, the fears stoked by all these groups–that is, that a person’s race makes them the target of violence–are all too real.

If you put anti-social personalities of every race and nationality in a general prison population to live together in constant fear of each other, of course you are likely to come out with a very skewed idea of what the other races are “really” like.
 
Theo520 said:
That fact that he is delivering on his campaign promises will reduce division in the long run.
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In the long run? In eight years (if not sooner) there will be another administration with different campaign promises. And very few campaign on the status quo and win.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Actually, if we are honest about it, nobody in the world news section has accused him of price gouging. Someone accused him of gouging the taxpayer by going to Mar a Lago, but nobody complained about the prices he charges.
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Well, that is because no one is going to die if they can’t get a humane price on a high-end hotel room. It is ethical to price luxuries at whatever the market will bear, because no one needs any of it. Medical treatment is at the other extreme. Everyone wants an unlimited amount of the best care, and it is not possible to supply that. No matter what price is charged, there aren’t the resources to give everyone everything. No matter how compassionate the delivery is, it can’t be delivered with no regard given to cost.
 
Theo520 said:
That fact that he is delivering on his campaign promises will reduce division in the long run.
In the short run, there is no pacifying Dems except through impeachment.
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If he really does deliver health care for everyone at a better cost without killing anyone financially, which he promised, and really has not done anything that will get him removed from office, he’ll get re-elected. The border wall will drop out of the headlines.
 
EasterJoy said:
Well, that is because no one is going to die if they can’t get a humane price on a high-end hotel room. It is ethical to price luxuries at whatever the market will bear, because no one needs any of it. Medical treatment is at the other extreme. Everyone wants an unlimited amount of the best care, and it is not possible to supply that. No matter what price is charged, there aren’t the resources to give everyone everything. No matter how compassionate the delivery is, it can’t be delivered with no regard given to cost.
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Most of us have no clue what Trump charges for his hotel rooms because his prices are probably out of most of our leagues anyway. My guess is that he charges more for parking than I typically pay for a hotel room. So I am not likely to complain about his prices because I am never going to pay them anyway.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Most of us have no clue what Trump charges for his hotel rooms because his prices are probably out of most of our leagues anyway. My guess is that he charges more for parking than I typically pay for a hotel room. So I am not likely to complain about his prices because I am never going to pay them anyway.
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Exactly. The difference between drug prices and luxury hotel prices aren’t apples and oranges. It is apples and jewelry.
 
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