Merck CEO resigns from President's Manufacturing Coucil

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I don’t know if they all got early morning Twitter send-offs from the President, but the Merck CEO has not been the only resignation from the council:
axios.com/the-ceos-who-left-trumps-councils-2472861334.html?utm_medium=linkshare&utm_campaign=organic
*(I don’t know anything about this web site, only that the news was updated on that site within the last hour.)

Kenneth Frazier, Merck CEO (subject of this thread)
Elon Musk, Tesla CEO
Mark Fields, Ford
Klaus Kleinfeld, Arconic
Mario Longhi, U.S. Steel
Doug Oberhelman, Caterpillar.
Kevin Plank, Under Armour CEO
Brian Krzanich, Intel CEO

If that seems like a lot of bodies jumping ship, consider who is left; the council has lots of bodies on it:

Andrew Liveris, Dow Chemical Company
Bill Brown, Harris Corporation
Michael Dell, Dell Technologies
John Ferriola, Nucor Corporation
Jeff Fettig, Whirlpool Corporation
Alex Gorsky, Johnson & Johnson
Greg Hayes, United Technologies
Marilyn Hewson, Lockheed Martin Corporation
Jim Kamsickas, Dana Inc.
Rich Kyle, The Timken Company
Thea Lee, AFL-CIO
Denise Morrison, Campbell Soup Company
Dennis Muilenberg, Boeing
Scott Paul, Alliance for American Manufacturing
Michael Polk, Newell Brands
Mark Sutton, International Paper
Inge Thulin, 3M
Richard Trumka, AFL-CIO
Wendell Weeks, Corning
Jeff Immelt, GE

Comments? I’m counting eight out of 28 have left. That’s a resignation rate of over 28% and the council was just formed in January?
That seems like a lot, but I don’t know how durable this kind of committee tends to be at this point in things? Is coming and going typical on these councils?
 
sallybutler said:
No. My position is that is if you think whites are better, aka a white supremacist, a Neo-Nazi, an alt-righter, regardless of other policy views, then you fit the dictionary definition of bigoted.

The “you” in the previous sentence was meant in the general sense, not in the Theo520 sense. Please do not accuse me of calling you personally any of those terms again. I do not know you or what groups you may or may not belong to. If you want to identify yourself as one of the above mentioned groups, I will then call you that. If you don’t identify yourself as affiliated with one of those groups, then I won’t either.
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OK, there are racists who don’t want anyone coming in if they’re the “wrong color,” but there are also citizens who just want our sovereign borders to be enforced.

I think the quotas tend to have elements of prejudice built into them, but I totally understand why a person without anything against any particular ethnic group just wants to know who is coming in and that they’ve gotten permission to come in, to stay, and to work at the job they’ve found. It is not racist for a country to want to have sovereignty over its own borders, after all.
 
EasterJoy said:
I don’t know if they all got early morning Twitter send-offs from the President, but the Merck CEO has not been the only resignation from the council:
axios.com/the-ceos-who-left-trumps-councils-2472861334.html?utm_medium=linkshare&utm_campaign=organic
*(I don’t know anything about this web site, only that the news was updated on that site within the last hour.)

Kenneth Frazier, Merck CEO (subject of this thread)
Elon Musk, Tesla CEO
Mark Fields, Ford
Klaus Kleinfeld, Arconic
Mario Longhi, U.S. Steel
Doug Oberhelman, Caterpillar.
Kevin Plank, Under Armour CEO
Brian Krzanich, Intel CEO

If that seems like a lot of bodies jumping ship, consider who is left; the council has lots of bodies on it:

Andrew Liveris, Dow Chemical Company
Bill Brown, Harris Corporation
Michael Dell, Dell Technologies
John Ferriola, Nucor Corporation
Jeff Fettig, Whirlpool Corporation
Alex Gorsky, Johnson & Johnson
Greg Hayes, United Technologies
Marilyn Hewson, Lockheed Martin Corporation
Jim Kamsickas, Dana Inc.
Rich Kyle, The Timken Company
Thea Lee, AFL-CIO
Denise Morrison, Campbell Soup Company
Dennis Muilenberg, Boeing
Scott Paul, Alliance for American Manufacturing
Michael Polk, Newell Brands
Mark Sutton, International Paper
Inge Thulin, 3M
Richard Trumka, AFL-CIO
Wendell Weeks, Corning
Jeff Immelt, GE

Comments? I’m counting eight out of 28 have left. That’s a resignation rate of over 28% and the council was just formed in January?
That seems like a lot, but I don’t know how durable this kind of committee tends to be at this point in things? Is coming and going typical on these councils?
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So now the never-trumpy Catholics and left-wingers have to be on the side of those evil corporate executives?

:rotfl:
 
SuperLuigi said:
So now the never-trumpy Catholics and left-wingers have to be on the side of those evil corporate executives?

:rotfl:
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I have no idea what that comment even means.

(You are not under the impression that I think Hillary Clinton was the less repugnant of the major-party choices on the November ballot, right?)
 
sallybutler said:
No. My position is that is if you think whites are better, aka a white supremacist, a Neo-Nazi, an alt-righter, regardless of other policy views, then you fit the dictionary definition of bigoted.

The “you” in the previous sentence was meant in the general sense, not in the Theo520 sense. Please do not accuse me of calling you personally any of those terms again. I do not know you or what groups you may or may not belong to. If you want to identify yourself as one of the above mentioned groups, I will then call you that. If you don’t identify yourself as affiliated with one of those groups, then I won’t either.
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What if I believe our judeo-christian culture is superior?
One’s culture has nothing to do with genetics or race.
 
Theo520 said:
What if I believe our judeo-christian culture is superior?
One’s culture has nothing to do with genetics or race.
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Bigoted also means that you treat those of whatever class you deem to be inferior in a negative way. I’m sure you, as a Christian, would not treat others poorly just because they weren’t Jewish or Christian.

I feel as if you want me personally to label you in a negative way. Why?
 
sallybutler said:
Bigoted also means that you treat those of whatever class you deem to be inferior in a negative way. I’m sure you, as a Christian, would not treat others poorly just because they weren’t Jewish or Christian.

I feel as if you want me personally to label you in a negative way. Why?
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I’m trying to make a point about this thread (and the media), about how they label opposition voters as a hate group rather than engage on the real issues people are protesting.
 
The Manufacturing Council has been disbanded by President Trump.

President Trump has a serious problem with accepting criticism from anyone. That makes this kind of advisory group mostly useless. I don’t see much chance that his personality will change anytime soon, and regret that his personality flaws will continue to hinder implementation of his good policies. He does have many good ideas for the country, but the political opponents in both Washington and the media have great power over him because he allows it.
 
Trader said:
The Manufacturing Council has been disbanded by President Trump.

President Trump has a serious problem with accepting criticism from anyone. That makes this kind of advisory group mostly useless. I don’t see much chance that his personality will change anytime soon, and regret that his personality flaws will continue to hinder implementation of his good policies. He does have many good ideas for the country, but the political opponents in both Washington and the media have great power over him because he allows it.
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The President’s Strategic and Policy Forum decided to disband even before the President stepped in. It would seem the Manufacturing Council was moving to do the same thing, and so Mr. Trump just took the action himself.

He had a press conference intended to announce an infrastructure initiative, but decided to answer a question about statue removal and got side-tracked into an unscripted Q and A about Charlottesville that did not stay on his message.

I’m starting to think he doesn’t remember that The Apprentice was not a live show. It had producers and film editors. He is not David Letterman, he is not a TV personality but the President of the United States, and he should not try to “wing it” with the press. That is political suicide for any President of any party. Multiply that several times over for him, but on the other hand no other President has emptied a vein into that shark tank as often as he has. The others learned more quickly how much discretion is the better part of valour!!
 
SuperLuigi said:
So now the never-trumpy Catholics and left-wingers have to be on the side of those evil corporate executives?
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With such a long list of people you need to classify as “evil”, when is it going to occur to you that the fault may be in the** classification criteria** rather than in the people being classified?
 
ProVobis said:
What exactly was it supposed to accomplish anyway?
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Trump put it together as part of his effort to increase manufacturing jobs in the US.

He tweeted this yesterday:
For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!
8:21 AM - Aug 15, 2017

His tweet was greeted by another resignation. Then his Strategic and Policy Forum disbanded. In spite of his contention the departing members could be replaced, I think it was wise that he threw in the towel.

He really needs to stop sending out the nasty tweets when unpleasant development hits the fan. That never ends well for him.
 
EasterJoy said:
Trump put it together as part of his effort to increase manufacturing jobs in the US.

He tweeted this yesterday:
For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!
8:21 AM - Aug 15, 2017

His tweet was greeted by another resignation. Then his Strategic and Policy Forum disbanded. In spite of his contention the departing members could be replaced, I think it was wise that he threw in the towel.

He really needs to stop sending out the nasty tweets when unpleasant development hits the fan. That never ends well for him.
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This is so typical of Trump. Merck resigns and Trump blasts him on Twitter. Others (presumably) threaten to resign, and Trump, all bluster, boasts he can replace them all… so as of YESTERDAY he was determined to keep in running. Then he changes his mind on a dime, as usual, and dissolves it… all of this just in the past few days.
 
twf said:
This is so typical of Trump. Merck resigns and Trump blasts him on Twitter. Others (presumably) threaten to resign, and Trump, all bluster, boasts he can replace them all… so as of YESTERDAY he was determined to keep in running. Then he changes his mind on a dime, as usual, and dissolves it… all of this just in the past few days.
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Tweeting is not always his best friend. Actually, he’d probably be doing a lot better if he had never sent a single one of the tweets he sent out before 9 am. Just. Don’t. Do. It.

Maybe the First Lady and the Chief of Staff can convince him to leave his phone down in the Oval Office and just use the White House switchboard for phone calls. He can have someone in the West Wing send all his tweets after Gen. Kelly and the White House Press Secretary have seen them and had a chance to offer some feedback.

There is zero chance the President is going to do that, which is too bad for him, because if he keeps “being himself” he’ll be looking for a new Chief of Staff very soon. Gen. Kelly is not a masochist.
 
EasterJoy said:
Trump put it together as part of his effort to increase manufacturing jobs in the US.

He tweeted this yesterday:
For every CEO that drops out of the Manufacturing Council, I have many to take their place. Grandstanders should not have gone on. JOBS!
8:21 AM - Aug 15, 2017

His tweet was greeted by another resignation. Then his Strategic and Policy Forum disbanded. In spite of his contention the departing members could be replaced, I think it was wise that he threw in the towel.
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And the stock market hardly budged today. So another nothingburger idea.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Frazier didn’t just “cross him”. He criticized him for NOT condemning “hate, bigotry and group supremacy”. Trump actually did condemn the first two, and Frazier’s very presence on the board strongly suggests that Trump is not a defender of “group supremacy”.

So let’s not pretend that Trump’s criticism of Frazier was due to his being black.
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