Merck Researcher Admits: Gardasil Guards Against Almost Nothing

[taylorc]

The difference is that with H1N1 there is a greater risk not getting vaccinated. We have little to no control over who gets it(you can’t get HPV from sitting next to someone). We have little to no control who dies(cervical cancer is already preventable and almost everyone survives with early treatment) from it. We have no idea how widespread it will be.

I don’t want to get the Swine Flu vaccine because of the unknowns, but I’m going to because I don’t want to risk my life or health. I don’t have to take the risks of Guardasil because the hazards it claims to prevent are already preventable.

 

[Ailina]

The difference is that with H1N1 there is a greater risk not getting vaccinated. We have little to no control over who gets it(you can’t get HPV from sitting next to someone). We have little to no control who dies(cervical cancer is already preventable and almost everyone survives with early treatment) from it. We have no idea how widespread it will be.

I don’t want to get the Swine Flu vaccine because of the unknowns, but I’m going to because I don’t want to risk my life or health. I don’t have to take the risks of Guardasil because the hazards it claims to prevent are already preventable.

Cancer causing HPV means chopping away little bits of the cervix, as abnormal cells develop and grow. Those medical procedures damage the cervix in a way that can make pregnancy hard to maintain over nine months. It means higher chances of miscarriage. It means possible hysterectomy, with no possibility of bearing children at all. HPV does not require intercourse; skin on skin is all that is needed. Touch, in other words.

Do I want my daughter to face these prospects for a virus that is undetectable until it is too late? No, I do not.

 

[taylorc]

Cancer causing HPV means chopping away little bits of the cervix, as abnormal cells develop and grow. Those medical procedures damage the cervix in a way that can make pregnancy hard to maintain over nine months. It means higher chances of miscarriage. It means possible hysterectomy, with no possibility of bearing children at all. HPV does not require intercourse; skin on skin is all that is needed. Touch, in other words.

Do I want my daughter to face these prospects for a virus that is undetectable until it is too late? No, I do not.

You can not get HPV through brushing hands with someone. The virus must enter through a cut or sexual contact. It is hardly H1N!. It usually goes away on it’s own and is slow growing. Those who have more trouble fighting the infection are women who have sex at a young age, smokers, and those with compromised immune systems. Getting a pap smear every year and an HPV test can already detect the virus before its too late. It is far more controllable than H1N1.

 

[Mrs_Sally]

I am SO SICK of this argument. I can talk myself blue in the face about chastity, which I have already started to discuss with my daughter. BUT I will not be there when she is madly in love and may make the wrong choice. Should she DIE for that? I won’t be there to stop him if her husband decides to cheat on her and brings home a nasty disease from his skank. Should my daughter DIE for that, or have a lifelong incurable illness? I know HPV is not the only thing out there, but shouldn’t we prevent what we can?

In a perfect world, everyone would be perfectly chaste. Let me know when it happens. For now, I have to live in the real world.

We will all die from something. Her bad choices when ‘madly in love’ or her future husband’s possible bad choices may give her a completely different disease that she could die from vaccine or no vaccine. I can see vaccinating against things that you can get from casual contact or are respiratory since usually you have very little control over contracting those illnesses. I truly don’t see how the risks stack up between a vaccine with so many very serious side-affects and disease caused by preventable behavior (HPV).

 

[Ailina]

You can not get HPV through brushing hands with someone. The virus must enter through a cut or sexual contact. It is hardly H1N!. It usually goes away on it’s own and is slow growing. Those who have more trouble fighting the infection are women who have sex at a young age, smokers, and those with compromised immune systems. Getting a pap smear every year and an HPV test can already detect the virus before its too late. It is far more controllable than H1N1.

Treatment for complications of HPV have risks too, as I pointed out above. The aggressive forms of HPV develop quite quickly, which is why young women are at highest risk, especially in the U.S. where not everyone can afford medical insurance.

I contracted HPV, yet I didn’t have sex at a young age, I don’t smoke, and my immune system is not compromised. I married a man who proved unfaithful. Add THAT one to your risks!

 

[taylorc]

Treatment for complications of HPV have risks too, as I pointed out above. The aggressive forms of HPV develop quite quickly, which is why young women are at highest risk, especially in the U.S. where not everyone can afford medical insurance.

I contracted HPV, yet I didn’t have sex at a young age, I don’t smoke, and my immune system is not compromised. I married a man who proved unfaithful. Add THAT one to your risks!

Young women who have not been sexually active are not in the risk group, and the fact that they don’t get regular screenings is another issue. These are very necessary and can be obtained for free or low-cost.

You do not have to be in a high risk group to get HPV, just for it to be at greater risk of leading to cervical cancer. The vast majority of cases cause no problems.

 

[HouseArrest]

Read this site: cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

Many of the side effects claimed for Gardasil are listed here for other vaccines. The most severe occur very infrequently, so infrequently that it is basically impossible to tell if the vaccine caused them.

The risk is small, the potential protection is great.

So, unless you are going to stop vaccinating your kids against anything, don’t tell us we shouldn’t give Gardasil to our daughters.

I believe the article was an opinion that stated that the claims made about what the vaccine could do were overrated. Again, information so a choice can be made. It didn’t tell us not to give Gardasil to our daughters.

 

[joandarc2008]

You can not get HPV through brushing hands with someone. The virus must enter through a cut or sexual contact. It is hardly H1N!. It usually goes away on it’s own and is slow growing. Those who have more trouble fighting the infection are women who have sex at a young age, smokers, and those with compromised immune systems. Getting a pap smear every year and an HPV test can already detect the virus before its too late. It is far more controllable than H1N1.

You are very wrong - those are the risk groups for cancer. In HPV it depends on what strain of the virus you get. There are five or six that are high risk for developing into cancer that are mostly sexually transmmitted - yet there are other strains that pretty much will go away on their own. These five or six are very dangerous and do not go away. I got one of these strains from my xh and have to have paps every six months and have had two cryosurgeries to remove my cervical lining. I still would choose not to vaccinate my daughter if I had one. I would teach chastity and then let her make her own decision when she gets old enough to understand the information and make her own decision.

 

[survive]

I se nothing wrong with a parent giving the vaccine to a high-schooler. Indeed, it shouldn’t be only for girls, if it works for boys as well. The parents and children should be aware of the risks, and understand that it doesn’t mean they are expected to have sex before marriage, only that it’s better to be a tiny, tiny little bit protected from one of the several kinds of harm that will result if they somehow, in an unlikely chance, someday do, or if their future spouses had. The kids need the opportunity to refuse it if they themselves find the risks unacceptable (I know teenagers have lower risk-evaulation skills, but they need a veto right on medical treatments).
It’s the idea of forcing it on anyone, or giving it to pre-teens, who can’t differentiate between “We think you probably will” and “You have to”, that makes me sick.

 

[joandarc2008]

I se nothing wrong with a parent giving the vaccine to a high-schooler. Indeed, it shouldn’t be only for girls, if it works for boys as well. The parents and children should be aware of the risks, and understand that it doesn’t mean they are expected to have sex before marriage, only that it’s better to be a tiny, tiny little bit protected from one of the several kinds of harm that will result if they somehow, in an unlikely chance, someday do, or if their future spouses had. The kids need the opportunity to refuse it if they themselves find the risks unacceptable (I know teenagers have lower risk-evaulation skills, but they need a veto right on medical treatments).
It’s the idea of forcing it on anyone, or giving it to pre-teens, who can’t differentiate between “We think you probably will” and “You have to”, that makes me sick.

I agree 100%. I also think if the doctor knows the teen to be sexually active and the parent does not than it should be available if the teen wants it. There is obviously an issue with communication between parents and the teenager lets just call it being a teenager. However, I just do not like mass immunization policies except for diseases that we have been immunizing for for decades such as polio, etc. Un-immunized children in those cases become a health risk to everyone including adults. I think it is very sad that in this day and age we need to look at the fact that children are making grown up decisions - but honestly if they are going to make grown up decisions without consulting their parents than they need to be able to deal with all of the grown up consequences and prevention. Frankly I somehow doubt that our sexually active teens are practicing manogamy or NFP.

 

[matris_domi]

Substitute “AIDS vaccine” for “HPV vaccine.” From alot of these arguments, it sounds to me like many of you would refuse to give your children that one, too. If so, there is no debating with you, because you’re crazy.

Why is it that those of you who say we must preach chastity never address the issue of these women who have been cheated on?! They did everything they were supposed to, and someone else’s sin has condemned them to having a lifelong disease and high risk for cancer which could kill them. And yet, you blithely argue on, completely ignoring the fact that chastity is not a perfect answer, because chastity in marriage requires TWO. Your staunch ignoring of the two women who have posted on this thread, and the whole concept of the victim spouse, is a serious lack of compassion. And you’re doing it to support an argument/idea you can’t give up… shameful.

 

[joandarc2008]

Personally I would take the AIDS vaccine from what I know of it but not the HPV (granted I already have HPV so it wouldn’t do me any good anyway but if I didn’t). The HPV has too many side effects and risks. However, that being said, I would want my daughter, if I had one, to be old enough and informed enough to make a decision on her own and to be able to wait unitl they make something better.