Mercy, Mistaken

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I was fortunate that when I finally started to be fair to the Catholic Church I was already so fed up and frustrated with every other spiritual/religious tradition I’d looked into that most of my issues were cleared up pretty painlessly. For example, once I actually learned what and who the Pope is (and what and who he is not) I quickly had no more problems with the Papacy.

I explain the Catholic faith to a lot of people. Sometimes they ask me, sometimes it naturally arises, and sometimes I hear a particularly outrageous statement and I do my best to charitably correct it. But time and time again I’ve noticed one thing among all the non-Catholics (and, to be fair, some Catholics) I’ve interacted with in the last two years- they often cannot see the mercy within, or at the heart of, the Church’s teaching.

For example, I have a co-worker who is Lutheran and we’ve amicably discussed our faiths. Two topics that seem to stick in her craw are the intercession of the saints and annulments. Now I understand some people see the intercession of the saints as pagan, or witchcraft or what have you, but I fail to understand how people simply can’t see God has given us these holy men and women to be examples for us by their lives and also to intercede for us after their deaths. Let’s say you have to drive from Traverse City to Detroit, but you can only drive in reverse. And you have the option of either using all your mirrors, plus jacking your neck around to look over your shoulder to sre. OR you can have someone ride in the back and watch the route and give you directions. You can still use your mirrors but you’ve also got help. Who would turn that down? And with annulments, same deal. My co-worker thinks it’s just am excuse for us to remarry, and that once you’re married that’s it, regardless of circumstances. Again, I can understand that position, but after having explained it to dozens of people, even sharing the stories of people I know who had marriages declared null and how healing and relieving it was, how can people fail to see the mercy in that? How about confession? The Eucharist? Marian devotion? Indulgences and Holy Days? I mean, we Catholics have a wealth of graces and mercy to utilize and even the faithful can fail to see it.

That’s what I’ve found to be most frustrating when talking to non-Catholics. I often understand where they’re coming from, especially when their views are obviously so far askew from what the Church actually teaches they couldn’t help but be in error. But I struggle knowing that, where I see gifts of great mercy from a God who loves us and wants only our good and holiness, others see “gotchas” and loopholes crafted by man.

Sorry for the ranty-ness of this, I don’t usually vent but sometimes it really makes me want to tear my hair out.
 
I agree with you. Non-Catholics don’t normally appreciate that what the Church does comes from a place of love. The “sacrifices” God asks of us are not meant to hurt us, but he wants us to truly focus things on Him. He is Love, and He wants us to experience and practice Love for our neighbors everyday and everywhere, not to enslave ourselves. Maybe you’d find consolation in the fact that I’m not a Catholic, but that does not mean I have no appreciation for the Church. It does mean, however, that I struggle with the message and I don’t know whether I’ll ever be good enough to join it
 
Thanks for your kind words. And trust me, if there a place for me and all my baggage and shenanigans in the Catholic Church you should be just fine!
 
No I won’t. I can’t commit myself to the Catholic idea of marriage. I cannot promise a woman to stand by her through good and bad and never divorce her. I am not capable of such sacrifice.

But at least I don’t see it as enslavement, God gave us this so that we could love Him with all our heart and bodies. Our bodies are for Him, not for us to enjoy selfishly. But I can’t commit to that.
 
That’s the point though- No human is capable of such a thing, not on their own. That’s why Christ also confers amazing graces through the sacrament of Matrimony, in order for us to be strengthened to fulfill his call for us.

And while matrimony may be the most common vocation, it certainly is not the default for Catholics… you may be simply called somewhere else, Curious…
 
If you have a look at Dr. David Anders’ Called to Communion from Monday, January 29th (11:55 into the video), he gives an excellent explanation of the vast difference between the reformers’ concept of marriage (natural but not Sacramental) and the Catholic. This entire attitude began with the radical rejection of long-settled Christian doctrine in 1500s Germany and Switzerland.
 
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I don’t want to make this thread about me or distract from the OP’s post, so we should continue this discussion elsewhere (if it is to be continued, that is) but if you’re talking about celibacy… NO WAY
 
Okay, I am curious. I’m not sure if you are Christian in some form, or just not Christian. If you are Christian, how do you think Jesus would define marriage – and would that be different or similar to what you currently hold, and how would that be different / similar to what the RCC teaches? I don’t mean to challenge you, just wondering. But maybe you are not Christian at this point.
 
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People today often struggle to connect belief with living.

As with your Pope comment, the perceived reality and the actual one, are often radically different and what is actually very simple in practice can seem like a baffling leap of overzealous nonsense to others.

Western society want everything quick and easy. In my experience Catholicism demands a level of studiousness not necessary most of the time in Protestantism. Obviously there are exceptions but most things seem complex once they stretch beyond the scope of simple passages.

Much like a science journal of many pages, which seems over the top but in reality covers only a few small steps.

It’s the hallmark of a master, to be able to make the complex simple and the simple complex.

By that I mean helping people to understand the bigger picture often reduces their limited view point.
 
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I’ll answer in private, I don’t want it to look like I’m seeking attention
 
Agree that this is off topic, but marriage is not about sacrifice. It’s a gift. When you love someone your gift is your fidelity, devotion, understand, and yeah love.
When you meet someone that you believe is worthy of all that, you have no problem.
 
Regarding the OP:
I think many ministers of other faiths have felt the need to justify their rejection of Catholicism, so they tend to make light of our beliefs of saying things like "I’m not going to let a bunch of old men in dresses in Rome tell me what my relationship with God is.
Then they go straight back to the Bible.
When all the men wore dresses and the Apostles and martyrs proceeded to build the Church on earth, keep sacred the teachings of Christ and start churches so that they would HEAR the message of Christ.

Kind of ironic.
 
Irony and hypocrisy pretty much make up all of the supposed ‘facts’ about the Catholic Church.

So much so most people have abandoned refuting them.

When everyone thinks you worship Mary as a Roman Goddess, whilst painting pictures of saints in the steam of your shower cubicle in the morning, dialogue really does become pointless 🤨
 
No worries Curious, it was just me venting. You can hijack it, I don’t mind.
 
Part of my issue is that because I’ve experimented so much with many different ideas I’m pretty willing to lay my convictions down and filet them if need be. I’m not above standing in another’s shoes and trying to look into my little box. People disagree all the time, what really sets my teeth gnashing is when there’s basically no interest or attempt to step out from behind personal opinions, biases, upbringing etc to test and consider uncomfortable or different ideas. And of course the extreme end of that is to be, as they say, so open minded your brain falls out; that’s just as bad as having a mind shut off to possibility. In the end, I may disagree with someone but I always hope it’s not for lack of trying to understand how they arrived at their position.
 
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