MERGED: Communion Bread Questions

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Oh? My memory tells me there was a photo I was looking at. Man, must drink more milk šŸ˜ƒ
 
ByzCath said:
Absence of yeast in the Byzantine rite would not invalidate it, it would only make it illicit.

Sorry I wasnā€™t clear.
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No need to apologize, I was just curious. I read a bit more into it than I needed too šŸ™‚
 
Phemie said:
As ConstantineTG said, Iā€™ve made loaves for my parish that were nothing but water and flour, flat, about an inch thick. Not hard as rock by any means but perhaps more crumbly that one would like. It was chewy, with the nutty sweet flavour that whole wheat flour imparts.
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I stand corrected and amazed. You are better baker than I am Gunga Din.

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Phemie said:
As ConstantineTG said, Iā€™ve made loaves for my parish that were nothing but water and flour, flat, about an inch thick. Not hard as rock by any means but perhaps more crumbly that one would like. It was chewy, with the nutty sweet flavour that whole wheat flour imparts.
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Whole wheat flour has NEVER been allowed by the church for communion bread. Even in the ancient church it was mandatory that wheat flour was sifted to make white flour as white flour has always been seen as the BEST, and we only offer our best to God. We talk about yeast alot, most people dont realize that it was only since World War I that ā€œyeastā€ has been available as something on its own. Before then all bread was raised with a natural starter such as sourdough.
 
ciero said:
Whole wheat flour has NEVER been allowed by the church for communion bread. Even in the ancient church it was mandatory that wheat flour was sifted to make white flour as white flour has always been seen as the BEST, and we only offer our best to God. We talk about yeast alot, most people dont realize that it was only since World War I that ā€œyeastā€ has been available as something on its own. Before then all bread was raised with a natural starter such as sourdough.
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Even communion wafers now are made in whole wheat.
 
ciero said:
Whole wheat flour has NEVER been allowed by the church for communion bread.

BALONEY! The church demands wheat and the most natural, unprocessed flour available commercially is stone-ground whole wheat.

Even in the ancient church it was mandatory that wheat flour was sifted to make white flour as white flour has always been seen as the BEST, and we only offer our best to God.

Funny thing is how we now consider whole wheat ā€˜BESTā€™ since itā€™s healthier, less processed, does not require the added vitamins to bring it back to nutritious standards. Have you seen white flour that isnā€™t ā€˜enrichedā€™? Many parishes today regularly use whole wheat hosts.
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ciero said:
Whole wheat flour has NEVER been allowed by the church for communion bread. Even in the ancient church it was mandatory that wheat flour was sifted to make white flour as white flour has always been seen as the BEST, and we only offer our best to God. We talk about yeast alot, most people dont realize that it was only since World War I that ā€œyeastā€ has been available as something on its own. Before then all bread was raised with a natural starter such as sourdough.
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Yeast are single celled fungi.dakotayeast.com/yeast_what.html

He spoke another parable to them. ā€œThe kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed with three measures of wheat flour until the whole batch was leavened.ā€ [Matt. 13:33].

The Passover which Jesus celebrated with his disciples required that there be no leaven in the house. See Exodus 12: 1-20.

The Greeks and Romans liked their bread white; color was one of the main tests for quality at the time of Pliny (AD 70). Those who think the craze for white bread is a modern fad should note this. Pliny wrote, ā€œThe wheat of Cyprus is swarthy and produces a dark bread, for which reason it is generally mixed with the white wheat of Alexandriaā€. kitchenproject.com/history/Bread/
 
ciero said:
Actually he couldā€¦any unadulterated wine can be usedā€¦that means nothing added to the grapes when making the wine. And the bread has been discussed, the Eucharist would be valid but NOT licit, to use the Western terms.
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Donā€™t virtually all wines contain sulphites these days?

Is Church wine made especially without sulphites, or is that a valid additive?

Also, on a different matter, how should people with gluten allergy receive communion?
 
Cirdan_XII said:
Donā€™t virtually all wines contain sulphites these days?

Is Church wine made especially without sulphites, or is that a valid additive?
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Itā€™s true that most wines contain added sulfites, but not all. Sulfites, however, also occur naturally (fmi.org/media/bg/?fuseaction=sulfites). In a way, itā€™s similar to yeast which, while it can be added, also occurs naturally (hence the ā€œ18-minuteā€ rule for baking matzoh).
 
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