MERGED: Excited about the new translation/Countdown/New Translation 11/27

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NewEnglandPries said:
In fairness, the USCCB did have a revised translation completed in 1996 and were told to hold off because JP2 was going to issue a 3rd edition of the Roman Missal in a few years.
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I know that ICEL’s earlier translation was roundly rejected as shown here.
 
PacoG said:
It did put in almost 30 years of faithful service.
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More like 44 but the English text was revised in the 70’s and without too much fanfare - in the very heart of the Mass, the consecration. (Changed “for all men” to just “for all.”)
 
Annabelle_Marie said:
I’ve attended some classes on the new translation up at the seminary. Our teacher is someone who had a direct hand in the translation. After hearing him talk about the reasons and the higher language that the liturgy will have…I’m so excited about the new translation now that I can hardly wait!

Anyone else out there that can’t wait either?
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We have had the new translation since september over in Leeds England. I find it is not the best english and I find it hard to accept. and in my opinion it is a backward step, the children of today do not use or understand words like consubstanial, It has been intimated that the Benedictines made the translation and Rome changed some of the wording
Who else out there will be honest? More changes are on the way to tone down the hymm singing. Our priest has already said that the mass should not take more than 50 to 55 minuets
I still go to Mass and I am a Reader
If you have not as yet changed to the new translation then enjoy what you have
 
JOT72 said:
We have had the new translation since september over in Leeds England. I find it is not the best english and I find it hard to accept. and in my opinion it is a backward step, the children of today do not use or understand words like consubstanial, It has been intimated that the Benedictines made the translation and Rome changed some of the wording
Who else out there will be honest? More changes are on the way to tone down the hymm singing. Our priest has already said that the mass should not take more than 50 to 55 minuets
I still go to Mass and I am a Reader
If you have not as yet changed to the new translation then enjoy what you have
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Please do not underestimate the intellectual abilities of today’s youth. Using that ploy as an argument, in my young opinion, is fully unacceptable. I am eighteen years of age and I understand the word “consubstantial,” and I am confident that I could understand it at age ten.

The problem with this thinking is that the Church is not “going back” to anything, as you put it. Post Vatican II, the Church didn’t change the wording of the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus, or the Agnus Dei at all. If you go to an Extraordinary Form mass, the wordings of those prayers are exactly the same as they are in a Latin Ordinary Form mass. Compare the pre-Vatican II and post-Vatican II texts, and you will find that the wordings are exactly the same. The inherent problem lies in the translation, not the texts themselves.

The wording of the Latin version of the missal is not changing. It has remained constant, except for the tiniest of changes, since the early Seventies. So really, the wording of the mass is not changing, but it is that the translation is changing. I’ll say it again: the wording of the mass isn’t changing, but the translation is. I do not accept the notion that anyone with even a basic education will not be able to understand the new English translation. Most native English speakers do in fact receive at least a basic education. I am only a high school graduate and I fully understand the new translation, and my eight year old cousin seems to be grasping it very well so far.

I also want to touch on the hymn singing. The Vatican clearly prefers, as of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, that propers be sung instead of hymns. The wording of this part of the GIRM has always preferred propers, even before the new translation.
 
YoungTradCath said:
Please do not underestimate the intellectual abilities of today’s youth. Using that ploy as an argument, in my young opinion, is fully unacceptable. I am eighteen years of age and I understand the word “consubstantial,” and I am confident that I could understand it at age ten.

The problem with this thinking is that the Church is not “going back” to anything, as you put it. Post Vatican II, the Church didn’t change the wording of the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus, or the Agnus Dei at all. If you go to an Extraordinary Form mass, the wordings of those prayers are exactly the same as they are in a Latin Ordinary Form mass. Compare the pre-Vatican II and post-Vatican II texts, and you will find that the wordings are exactly the same. The inherent problem lies in the translation, not the texts themselves.

The wording of the Latin version of the missal is not changing. It has remained constant, except for the tiniest of changes, since the early Seventies. So really, the wording of the mass is not changing, but it is that the translation is changing. I’ll say it again: the wording of the mass isn’t changing, but the translation is. I do not accept the notion that anyone with even a basic education will not be able to understand the new English translation. Most native English speakers do in fact receive at least a basic education. I am only a high school graduate and I fully understand the new translation, and my eight year old cousin seems to be grasping it very well so far.

I also want to touch on the hymn singing. The Vatican clearly prefers, as of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, that propers be sung instead of hymns. The wording of this part of the GIRM has always preferred propers, even before the new translation.
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The problem is that the music for the propers has not been written.
 
JOT72 said:
We have had the new translation since september over in Leeds England. I find it is not the best english and I find it hard to accept.
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The new translation adds a few more syllables and perhaps raises the fog index a couple of notches, some like that, but it’s still English. English itself varies from country to country so the very same language which is well accepted in Chicago, for example, may be despised in Leeds and vice versa. That’s been true all along.
Annabelle_Marie said:
As for rules of translation its nice to know that you presume to know more then those with degrees in it.
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Learning and studying a language are not all about translations. If they were, I’d be through with Latin a long time ago. I gave up on translations a long time ago; it only gets you into trouble sooner or later. It’s more fun to study the works of Cicero and compare that with the writing styles of other Roman writers and even with the documents of the Church.

Look at English majors, for example, do they spend their lives translating? Or do they teach the appreciation of Shakespeare and other authors? I rest my case.
 
promethius said:
What would be ironic: the REAL final countdown is only 10 days away and the final judgement comes.

What amazes me is the number of traditionalists who rarely if ever attend the OF who are so excited about this new translation… they don’t like the OF now, or even attend it, and most won’t afterwards anyway… so why the lack of charity in trashing the current translation when they won’t be satisfied anyway?
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Um, it isn’t mostly EF goers who are cheering, Promethius. IT’s NO goers.
Now if they could only do something about the musak.
 
PacoG said:
Anyone planning a farewell party for the old translation. It did put in almost 30 years of faithful service.

Anyone want to write a eulogy for it? Using dynamic equivelence principles, of course.
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“See the Missal. See the Missal end. See Dick. See Dick wave goodbye to the Missal. Goodbye, Missal, Goodbye. The End.”

There’s your eulogy.
 
TheRealJuliane said:
Where/when can we buy the new Missal?
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Many bookstores are now getting them delivered. Try Amazon or your local Catholic bookstore. There are also inexpensive St. Joseph Sunday missals ($2) and pew cards with just the responses on them.
 
brian24 said:
I am very excited! It seems the people in my parish are not as excited as I. It was funny, at one mass we learned the new profession of faith before mass, and then when it came time to sing it for real, I swear I was the only one, along with the lead singer to sing the thing. I chuckled a bit.

Does anyone know of anywhere that I can find a list, or a complete guide to the new changes? I have been looking and can’t seem to find one online.
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Google “free pew card” and take your pick.
 
iloveangels said:
Many bookstores are now getting them delivered. Try Amazon or your local Catholic bookstore. There are also inexpensive St. Joseph Sunday missals ($2) and pew cards with just the responses on them.
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I looked on Amazon but couldn’t find anything that was obviously the new translation, except for the St. Joseph 2012 one.

What would it be called? Dumb question I’m sure.

:confused:

Never mind, I think this is it, and Amazon has it for pre-order only.

Daily Roman Missal
 
TheRealJuliane said:
I looked on Amazon but couldn’t find anything that was obviously the new translation, except for the St. Joseph 2012 one.

What would it be called? Dumb question I’m sure.

:confused:

Never mind, I think this is it, and Amazon has it for pre-order only.

Daily Roman Missal
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It’s blue and has a picture of a church on it?? That’s the new Sunday missal in the cheap version, yes. If you want something more expensive, daily missals and fancy ones are also available online. Try any Catholic bookstore online that you like and see what they have. Some of them have them ready to ship. Call Monday and they can tell you. Good hunting and God bless you!

EDITED: Your link is to the expensive one. IF you want one like that I know EWTN had some similar ones in stock and ready to ship the other day.

If you want a less expensive one and don’t mind a Sunday missal, try this ISBN number: 0899421474 or this one: 978-0899421476
 
I am looking forward to the new translations. Lets hope it brings back more reverence and respect to the Ordinary Form of the Mass.
 
YoungTradCath said:
I’m not sure what you mean.
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Many music directors are left with so much music that doesn’t fit the new words. I was hoping that this would be the end of the Marty Haugen stuff, but mine is struggling to modify it to fit the new translation.
 
RobbyS said:
Many music directors are left with so much music that doesn’t fit the new words. I was hoping that this would be the end of the Marty Haugen stuff, but mine is struggling to modify it to fit the new translation.
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Many of the composers have updated their settings to accommodate the new translation. Mass of Creation has been updated.
 
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