Merged: Man Claims to be Jesus/Jesus Has Returned! Woo-hoo!

[Church_Militant]

BTW, you’re wrong about descending from heaven. The Greek word there is Ourania, and is where we get our word Universe…

Luke 21:8 Take heed you be not seduced; for many will come in my name, saying, I am he; and the time is at hand: go ye not therefore after them.

Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; lo, he is here: do not believe. 22 For there will rise up false Christs and false prophets, and they shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce (if it were possible) even the elect. 23 Take you heed therefore; behold I have foretold you all things.

 

[BebedeJesus]

Then, even though you seem to quote the Scriptures, it’s clear that you have never even begun to read them, since we find that Mary is blessed in the very first chapter of the Gospel according to Luke.

It says:…thou that art HIGHLY FAVORED…blessed art thou among women. IN OTHER WORDS…LUCKY U AMONG WOMEN. U know that very well. She isn’t any different than any of us. All she was is LUCKY to have carried the Saviour in her womb. But her mission ended once that child was grown and ready f/ his mission.

Do yourself a favour: sit down and read the New Testament for yourself, without the “guidance” of your cult. Throw your man-made books away, and read the Scriptures in their plain sense, beginning with the first chapter of the Gospel of Matthew, and reading until the end of the Book of Revelation, in an orderly manner, missing nothing. Take it slowly, keep a journal, have no preconceived ideas about the meaning of it, and pray for the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit while you are reading it.

For your information, I read the Bible but the Bible does state that Faith comes by HEARING~~~> and hearing of the Word of God!(Rom 10:17) I wonder Whom we’re supposed to HEAR?
I already clarified that the Bible has to be divided correctly. Reading it from Genesis to Revelations only causes confusion as you have seen…more than 2,000 yrs of falling away (2 Thes. 2:3-4) I wonder who has been sitting in place of God all this time

The BEST day!

 

[BebedeJesus]

Mark 13:21-22:Matthew 24:26-27:Not to mention: Galations 1:6-9:

I am curious: u quoted Galatians which is Paul writing to the church there, what do u think his gospel was? He preached grace, as it says in the quoted verses. Do you know what Jose Luis de Jesus teaches

WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO FOLLOW PAUL’S GOSPEL. For over 2,000 yrs, the synagogues have preached a mixture of judaism and if ur lucky some of Paul’s Epistles but NONE has ever teached the gospel pure w/out judaism.

The BEST day!

 

[Guardian]

more than 2,000 yrs of falling away (2 Thes. 2:3-4)

2 Thess 2:3-4 sounds just like your anti-Christ and your cult:

1. “Let no one in any way deceive you,” - You’re being deceived.
2. “for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first,” - You’re group of believers has rejected the teachings of Christ, hence an apostasy.
3. "and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, " - Jose Luis teaches there is no sin and thus no law anymore. He destroys the truth and the souls of man.
4. “who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.” - Not only has Jose Luis said he is God, he said he is better than Jesus (CNN interview).

 

[wjp984]

Might I ask how you found out about these Catholic forums and why you would choose to post on a topic about it rather than start your own? I really still think you are just some random kid or adult with too much time on your hands that just wants to stir up commotion and argue. I love to argue myself but not about useless junk like this.

 

[Montalban]

Might I ask how you found out about these Catholic forums and why you would choose to post on a topic about it rather than start your own? I really still think you are just some random kid or adult with too much time on your hands that just wants to stir up commotion and argue. I love to argue myself but not about useless junk like this.

To whom do you reply to?

 

[patrick457]

U R sooooo right! He is supposed to judge the living and the dead and so he is: judging is taking information and dividing it explaining it…understanding the facts or better yet teaching others what the facts r…isn’t that basically what a judge does? Well, He is…the living and the dead are right now listening and learning from the JUDGE. So, I think that whole rapture theory is blown to smitherings cuz then the dead and living wouldn’t be judged and the whole JUDGEMENT DAY…all scare tactics

Granted, I do not believe in the Rapture theory. I’m more of an Amillenialist.

So Jesus was merely scaring His disciples when he delivered the End of the World discourse? Does that mean He’s joking or that Christians corrupted the Bible?

Now, the Anti Christ: this is my favorite one…in Hebrews 6:1-2 Paul states that we have to LEAVE the doctrine of Christ…that is Jesus of Nazareth… to go on to perfection.
So, if you follow Jesus of Nazareth’s doctrine you will NOT go onto perfection. That means we are to be AGAINST CHRIST:
aka ANTI CHRIST and yes, the Man Christ Jesus is the Anti Christ.
He is against Christ but soooooo FOR GOD! The only one that has given God the position of Almighty bcuz we respect the blood that was given and in that understanding we DON’T follow the Jewish belief instead we follow the One who was raised from the dead. We can’t be married to two husbands…or can we?? (Romans 7:1-4)

The BEST day!

I think you’re reading the text outside of the context. The following is from the Douay-Rheims Bible.

Wherefore, leaving the word of the beginning of Christ, let us go on to things more perfect: not laying again the foundation of penance from dead works and of faith towards God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms and imposition of hands, and of the resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

I’ve read the KJV version of this passage, and I do agree that the meaning is vague without context (as it always does).

It is clear that The writer means that we now leave the topic of Christ for now and advance on to other topics. If he DID say that we should leave the doctrines of Jesus, then how did the Epistle get into the Bible?

Jesus being the Anti-Christ is silly since John gives the definition of Anti-Christ (1 John 2:18):

18: Children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come; therefore we know that it is the last hour.
19: They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us.
20: But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know.
21: I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth.
22: Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
23: No one who denies the Son has the Father. He who confesses the Son has the Father also.

Now Jesus of course cannot deny Himself, since God cannot contradict Himself. Unless you believe that there are TWO Jesuses.

 

[thistle]

I am curious: u quoted Galatians which is Paul writing to the church there, what do u think his gospel was? He preached grace, as it says in the quoted verses. Do you know what Jose Luis de Jesus teaches

WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO FOLLOW PAUL’S GOSPEL. For over 2,000 yrs, the synagogues have preached a mixture of judaism and if ur lucky some of Paul’s Epistles but NONE has ever teached the gospel pure w/out judaism.

The BEST day!

There is no Gospel of Paul. There are only four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

 

[BebedeJesus]

Might I ask how you found out about these Catholic forums and why you would choose to post on a topic about it rather than start your own? I really still think you are just some random kid or adult with too much time on your hands that just wants to stir up commotion and argue. I love to argue myself but not about useless junk like this.

Why are you in the forum if you don’t want to argue “useless junk like this”

Blessed…THE BEST DAY!

 

[BebedeJesus]

There is no Gospel of Paul. There are only four Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Please read the following scriptures: Galatians 2:6-8. These verses confirm that there were two gospels:
Circumcision and UNcircumcision. Peter was SUPPOSED to teach/preach to the Jews the gospel of Circumcision and Paul was to go to the Gentiles with the gospel of UNcircumcision. This is something that no one has ever clarified whether they knew it or not. It has never been told until 20 yrs ago that Jose Luis de Jesus started preaching it.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are historical books. If you read the first chapter of Luke verses 1-4, he explains that like the others he wanted to write in order a declaration of those things… other languages “declaration” is actually HISTORY. Put the history in order is what he is saying. So, that confirms that the term placed before each of their names: “gospels” is erroneous.

Galatians 2:11-14 then, explains how Peter KNOWING he was to preach to the Jews was “dissimulating” among the Gentiles.(Ephesians 3:6-10)
Even Jesus of Nazareth had told Peter and the other disciples NOT to go into the way of Gentiles in Matthew 10:5-6. But Peter still obligated the Gentiles to follow Judaism and yet, he lived as a Gentile…Peter if you remember clearly is the first Pope.
Paul stated that once he (Paul) was gone, grevious wolves would enter among us, not sparing the flock (Acts 20:29) Who are those wolves? Galatians 2:3-5, says that Titus was compelled/ obligated to be circumcised, there were false brethren among them. Titus 1:10 says there are many unruly and vain talkers and he names them: ESPECIALLY THOSE OF THE CIRCUMCISION.

I don’t want to make a poster here so I will let you look into the above information…Remember, 1 Thes 5:21 “Prove ALL things; holdfast that which is good”…Blessed.

The BEST day!

 

[BebedeJesus]

So Jesus was merely scaring His disciples when he delivered the End of the World discourse? Does that mean He’s joking or that Christians corrupted the Bible?

Oh not Jesus it’s the so called christians that have misinterpreted the Bible. As a matter of fact, christians are only the ones who follow Uncircumcision: Paul was the first christian. Acts 11:25

Everyone else follows Judaism/ Laws and so they CANNOT be christians…Jesus of Nazareth wasn’t a christian either. He was a Jew. So, if you’re going to follow him, you’d have to follow ALL the laws the Jews follow. And they are NOT only 10 commandments…there are more than 3,000 spiritual and ethical commandments/laws.

I think you’re reading the text outside of the context. The following is from the Douay-Rheims Bible.

Didn’t Jesus of Nazareth lay hands, baptize? So, even if it doesn’t directly read: THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST…u’d have to read the rest and KNOW what it’s telling you. We aren’t supposed to live by law but by GRACE. Romans 5:17-21, Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4-5. As a matter of fact, Paul gets into the whole law versus grace thing in Romans chapter 6.

I’ve read the KJV version of this passage, and I do agree that the meaning is vague without context (as it always does).

Yes, I am bilingual (spanish/english) and the translation to english is sometimes so off…I feel bad f/ those who don’t read spanish or any other language since MOST own KJV…but I know He’s working on that

It is clear that The writer means that we now leave the topic of Christ for now and advance on to other topics. If he DID say that we should leave the doctrines of Jesus, then how did the Epistle get into the Bible?

I am not sure what your asking…explain, please

Jesus being the Anti-Christ is silly since John gives the definition of Anti-Christ (1 John 2:18):

Remember, CIRCUMCISION: laws…NEVER believed that sin was taken nor that satan was destroyed. You have to follow the correct gospel to understand what is being written in these books.

Now Jesus of course cannot deny Himself, since God cannot contradict Himself. Unless you believe that there are TWO Jesuses.

I agree 100% that there is one God. God manifested Himself in that veil ~~>Jesus of Nazareth. This isn’t the only time God has visited earth but that’s a whole other “poster” of scriptures.

Declaring the BEST day!

 

[jmcrae]

For your information, I read the Bible but the Bible does state that Faith comes by HEARING~~~> and hearing of the Word of God!(Rom 10:17) I wonder Whom we’re supposed to HEAR?

How about the True Successors of the Apostles, who can trace their lineage back to Christ in an unbroken succession, and who have remained protected by the promise of the Holy Spirit that was given to the Apostle Peter?

 

[BebedeJesus]

2 Thess 2:3-4 sounds just like your anti-Christ and your cult:

1. “Let no one in any way deceive you,” - You’re being deceived.

1. “for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first,” - You’re group of believers has rejected the teachings of Christ, hence an apostasy.

 

[Lillith]

BebedeJesus…

Mr. Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda has reinterpreted the New Testament and by what authority…He tells you he is God.

What proof of his divinity do you have??

What if you are wrong…can you see how dangerous this could be?

I pray for you Brother…

 

[prv]

Lots of people claim to be Jesus.

The pastor of my former church used to work for a computer company on the South coast of England. One of his close friends there suddenly announced one day that he was Jesus and quit his job.

He now lives on the Isle of Wight and has hundreds of followers who have all sold their homes to follow him.

All these cases are very sad for all sorts of reasons.

In the UK a famous case was David Icke. He progressed from footballer to be the Son of God, wrote a book, made some prophecies and made a fortune in the process. Of course all the prophecies failed to come true and the Isle of Man hasn’t sunk into the sea. You would think with the false prophecies that no one would listen to him now. But no. He still runs sold out conferences that are very expensive to attend. And that shows something sad about the willingness of humans to believe.

To stress what BJRumph already said, Holy Scriptures explicity says what signs will occur when Jesus occurs. And to reiterate what jAlex said, all of these people who are willing to believe w/o any evidence of good works or even any truth, for that matter, should receive CT scans and/or MRI’s.

 

[wjp984]

Why are you in the forum if you don’t want to argue “useless junk like this”

Blessed…THE BEST DAY!

I notice that you never answered my question and maintain my position that you are just doing this for fun.

 

[BebedeJesus]

BebedeJesus…

Mr. Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda has reinterpreted the New Testament and by what authority…He tells you he is God.

What proof of his divinity do you have??

What if you are wrong…can you see how dangerous this could be?

I pray for you Brother…

Read back to the beginning of the Forum and you’ll read plenty of evidence…Blessed!

I declare the BEST day!

 

[BebedeJesus]

I notice that you never answered my question and maintain my position that you are just doing this for fun.

LOL…again, not afraid to answer…I AM AN ADULT.

Not f/ fun…this is serious business…NOT to be taken lightly!! I think we all agree that when we speak of our soul and salvation…IT’S SERIOUS BUSINESS…and we all want to know the truth.

Declaring the BEST day!

 

[wjp984]

I feel a lot better now since I am now convinced that you were just joking this whole time.

 

[Lillith]

Read back to the beginning of the Forum and you’ll read plenty of evidence…Blessed!

I declare the BEST day!

I see no evidence…I only see Jose Luis de Jesus’ interpretation of the Bible. That is not proof.