MERGED Questions about Mormonism

[GaryTaylor]

Yes, and it worked in the 70s, 80s and 90s but now with the rise of the Internet its been like a new Renaissance of information bringing the church into the light and exposing all of their past lies and misdeeds for all to see. There is a reason members seem to be leaving in record numbers.

It been a light for the whole world in many regards, especially this last decade when the evils have been fought with Truth, now if we can just get Dictatorships to lift their censorship “maybe” we can educated those area’s with restricted reading material. :signofcross

 

[mtolympus]

I am in the process of leaving the LDS church and I can assure you that they do not believe in the Bible the way Catholics believe in the bible. Example, when Jesus broke the bread and gave it to his disciples and said, THIS IS MY BODY, the Joseph Smith Translation changed it to THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF MY BODY.

Just one a small correction. This is from the King James Bible, which was not written by Joseph Smith:

"And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me." (1 Cor. 11:24-25) emphasis added

 

[TexanKnight]

Just one a small correction. This is from the King James Bible, which was not written by Joseph Smith:

"And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me." (1 Cor. 11:24-25) emphasis added

Ok…reading lesson. he said This IS MY BODY. And to Take His Body IN REMEMBERANCE

You do not take “His Body”. You take wonder bread. You do not srink his blood. You drink water.

Bread and water. The food given to prisoners. YOU are prisoners right now. Come home to the truth. I am truly praying for you here.

 

[mtolympus]

Ok…reading lesson. he said This IS MY BODY. And to Take His Body IN REMEMBERANCE.

“This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.” (1 Cor. 11:25) The new testament (or covenant) in his blood. We renew our covenants with Christ when we partake of the Sacrament-- This we do as often as we drink it in remembrance of Him.

 

[TexanKnight]

“This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.” (1 Cor. 11:25) The new testament (or covenant) in his blood. We renew our covenants with Christ when we partake of the Sacrament-- This we do as often as we drink it in remembrance of Him.

You are still not reading. It MUST be HIS body…not just a symbol. Stop trying to correct Jesus…He knew what he was saying.

Give up the bread and water of prison and come HOME!

 

[mtolympus]

You are still not reading. It MUST be HIS body…not just a symbol. Stop trying to correct Jesus…He knew what he was saying.

I am just quoting the Bible. It doesn’t say what you are saying. “This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.” (1 Cor. 11:25)

 

[TexanKnight]

I am just quoting the Bible. It doesn’t say what you are saying. “This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.” (1 Cor. 11:25)

Like most of LDS doctrine, you pick and choose and subtract from the Bible.

Take Eat…THIS IS MY BODY"

that is what it says. Keep denying it

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 For this is my blood

 

[Telstar]

I am just quoting the Bible. It doesn’t say what you are saying. “This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.” (1 Cor. 11:25)

[1 Corinthians 11:] [24] And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. [25] In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.

[Matthew 26:] [26] And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. [27] And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. [28] For this is my blood of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

[Luke 22:] [19] And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. [20] In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

[John 6:] [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. [53] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? [54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

Jesus was very clear that He is the “living bread which came down from Heaven”, the true Manna from Heaven. The bread (Holy Eucharist) that the Priest blesses and Catholics eat in commemoration of Him at every Mass, is His real flesh, and the wine is His real blood. Jesus taught the Apostles that they should always do it, so that all those who eat it can also have a share in everlasting life. If we don’t eat it, then we won’t “have life” in us. It’s the spiritual food that feeds our souls by giving us a share in Christ’s Divinity, even while we’re still here on earth.

 

[zaffiroborant]

[1 Corinthians 11:] [24] And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. [25] In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.

[Matthew 26:] [26] And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This is my body. [27] And taking the chalice, he gave thanks, and gave to them, saying: Drink ye all of this. [28] **For this is my blood **of the new testament, which shall be shed for many unto remission of sins.

[Luke 22:] [19] And taking bread, he gave thanks, and brake; and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. [20] In like manner the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you.

[John 6:] [51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. [53] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? [54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

Jesus was very clear that He is the “living bread which came down from Heaven”, the true Manna from Heaven. The bread (Holy Eucharist) that the Priest blesses and Catholics eat in commemoration of Him at every Mass, is His real flesh, and the wine is His real blood. Jesus taught the Apostles that they should always do it, so that all those who eat it can also have a share in everlasting life. If we don’t eat it, then we won’t “have life” in us. It’s the spiritual food that feeds our souls by giving us a share in Christ’s Divinity, even while we’re still here on earth.

I was just doing this, I had it all set up in word, came back to post and lo and hold you’ve gone and done it.

 

[Telstar]

I was just doing this, I had it all set up in word, came back to post and lo and hold you’ve gone and done it.

As soon as I saw the first mention of “this is my body”, I just couldn’t resist. Sorry about stealing your thunder. I’m sure that you might have added something that I didn’t think to say, so you probably should have just posted it, anyway.

 

[zaffiroborant]

As soon as I saw the first mention of “this is my body”, I just couldn’t resist. Sorry about stealing your thunder. I’m sure that you might have added something that I didn’t think to say, so you probably should have just posted it, anyway.

No you did a lovely job.

 

[Telstar]

No you did a lovely job.

Thank you.

 

[mtolympus]

I wasn’t trying to start a debate on the interpretation of these scriptures. I know the Catholic Church takes them very literally. I was only correcting the following comment:

I am in the process of leaving the LDS church and I can assure you that they do not believe in the Bible the way Catholics believe in the bible. Example, when Jesus broke the bread and gave it to his disciples and said, THIS IS MY BODY, the Joseph Smith Translation changed it to THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF MY BODY.

I quoted from the KJV. Here is the same verses from the NIV. The New International Version of the Bible is easier for some to understand because of it is in modern English.

 The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you: do this in remembrance of me."  In the same way,after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." NIV (1 Cor.11:23:25)

This is exactly what we believe. We covenant with Christ whenever we partake of the Sacrament. Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the KJV or NIV versions of the Bible.

 

[TexanKnight]

I wasn’t trying to start a debate on the interpretation of these scriptures. I know the Catholic Church takes them very literally. I was only correcting the following comment:

I quoted from the KJV. Here is the same verses from the NIV. The New International Version of the Bible is easier for some to understand because of it is in modern English.

 The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you: do this in remembrance of me."  In the same way,after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." NIV (1 Cor.11:23:25)

This is exactly what we believe. We covenant with Christ whenever we partake of the Sacrament. Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the KJV or NIV versions of the Bible.

Wrong. You do not believe that the unleavened bread IS the Body. In fact, you do not use that kind of bread, you use a loaf from the grocery store that kids tear apart. And you do not use wine, you use water.

Please do not mislead people

 

[Callvenus]

The Joseph Smith Translation changed the opening line from THIS IS MY BODY to THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF MY BODY. Thats the part of the verse I was discussing. LDS do not believe the real presence of Jesus Christ in the bread as do the many protestant faiths that do not believe this. This is what separates the Catholic Church from the rest of the religions that claim to be the right gospel.

I wasn’t trying to start a debate on the interpretation of these scriptures. I know the Catholic Church takes them very literally. I was only correcting the following comment:

I quoted from the KJV. Here is the same verses from the NIV. The New International Version of the Bible is easier for some to understand because of it is in modern English.

 The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you: do this in remembrance of me."  In the same way,after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." NIV (1 Cor.11:23:25)

This is exactly what we believe. We covenant with Christ whenever we partake of the Sacrament. Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the KJV or NIV versions of the Bible.

 

[Timeless_Man]

I don’t understand why everyone is upset with Mormon practices and beliefs. If this is a strange and false religion, why bother with them? If their baptisms for the dead are foolishness, who cares if they take a name and do a proxy baptism?

The comments on this site are running something like (or specifically) this: The Mormons have baptized Jewish Holocaust victims, popes, and anyone else they can get the names for. If their baptisms are not efficacious, it’s not like they are taking physical bodies of these people and baptizing them - they are names. You say that the Mormons are making these people Mormons. If their practice is a true practice - meaning that doing these baptisms do make them Mormons - we should rejoice; because anyone or religion that has practices that are true must be sanctioned by God. If they are not true, why should anyone care?

Why should we fear? Why should we care? Unless…!

 

[TexanKnight]

I don’t understand why everyone is upset with Mormon practices and beliefs. If this is a strange and false religion, why bother with them? If their baptisms for the dead are foolishness, who cares if they take a name and do a proxy baptism?

The comments on this site are running something like (or specifically) this: The Mormons have baptized Jewish Holocaust victims, popes, and anyone else they can get the names for. If their baptisms are not efficacious, it’s not like they are taking physical bodies of these people and baptizing them - they are names. You say that the Mormons are making these people Mormons. If their practice is a true practice - meaning that doing these baptisms do make them Mormons - we should rejoice; because anyone or religion that has practices that are true must be sanctioned by God. If they are not true, why should anyone care?

Why should we fear? Why should we care? Unless…!

Because Christ and our leaders have instructed us to speak out against heresy.

You do believe in following what Christ said to do…don’t you?

Unless…

 

[Jerusha]

I would peg you as an LDS troll.

However, that aside, I personally have no objection to their ordinances for the dead. They can continue to perform them, at their own peril, risking further demonic influences on their religion.

Timeless man said:
Why should we fear? Why should we care? Unless…!

 

[Telstar]

I would peg you as an LDS troll.

However, that aside, I personally have no objection to their ordinances for the dead. They can continue to perform them, at their own peril, risking further demonic influences on their religion.

That brings up an interesting point. That practice is a form of worshiping the dead, that many other pagan and non-Christian religions have done in the past, and still practice, today. The tracing of one’s ancestors is also a means for them to claim ‘royal’ bloodlines. So, if they can trace back and find a connection to royalty, it gives them a greater sense of self worth that they probably think gives them more ‘glory’ in the eyes of the world, and in the eyes of God when it comes time for them to be ‘exalted’ above others. All of those things come from pride, which is the greatest sin because it leads to all others. It’s also the sin that caused the fall of Lucifer and his horde of fallen angels (aka: demons), as well as Adam & Eve. That might very well be the reason that ‘ancestor worship’ is so evil and condemned by God. They can never be sure if the ancestors that they hold in such high esteem were good or evil.

 

[mtolympus]

Wrong. You do not believe that the unleavened bread IS the Body. In fact, you do not use that kind of bread, you use a loaf from the grocery store that kids tear apart. And you do not use wine, you use water.

Please do not mislead people

I only said that we believe what it says in the following scripture from the NIV. It doesn’t say what you say it says. Read it again:

The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you: do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” NIV (1 Cor.11:23:25)

It says broken bread not unleavened bread, it says cup not wine. He said “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this” That is what we believe and that is what we do. Honest readers know who is trying to mislead.