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I recently moved to the Spokane area from Colorado and at the church I am attending everyone stands for the entire Eucharistic Prayer all the way to when they go to communion. This is not at all what I am used to and I don’t know if something has changed or not. Can anyone elaborate on why this might be or if it is wrong and I should say something?

A couple of other differences I noticed are they say the Apostle’s Creed during Sunday mass, not the Nicene Creed. AND they do not separate the wine prior to the consecration but they do it afterwards which I always thought was bad because the blood could be spilled.

I just don’t normally see such differences when going to different masses in different cities or states.

Any help to ease my mind or if I should say something would help. Thanks.
 
According to the new GIRM kneeling during the Eucharistic prayer is the norm for the US-
Postures & Gestures
The posture of kneeling signified penance in the early Church: the awareness of sin casts us to the ground! So thoroughly was kneeling identified with penance that the early Christians were forbidden to kneel on Sundays and during the Easter Season when the prevailing spirit of the liturgy was that of joy and thanksgiving. In the Middle Ages kneeling came to signify the homage of a vassal to his lord, and more recently this posture has come to signify adoration. It is for this reason that the bishops of this country have chosen the posture of kneeling for the entire Eucharistic Prayer.
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Concerning the Precious Blood being poured after the consecration, this is a very big -no-no! 😦
From Redemptionis Sacramentum
[106.] However, the pouring of the Blood of Christ after the consecration from one vessel to another is completely to be avoided, lest anything should happen that would be to the detriment of so great a mystery. Never to be used for containing the Blood of the Lord are flagons, bowls, or other vessels that are not fully in accord with the established norms.
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I can’t comment on the creeds, because I don’t know.

The standing thing, while I am not crazy about it, I think I would ask my pastor why they do it, and if it is the norm for the Diocese.
I believe this may be one of the things a Bishop may have a little leeway in.

Regarding the Precious Blood, this is a very serious abuse, and should be brought to the attention of the Pastor, or higher up if necessary.
 
I attend a Maronite Catholic Church and they stand during the consecration, too. I kneel anyway. No one seems to mind…
 
sc2437 said:
I recently moved to the Spokane area from Colorado and at the church I am attending everyone stands for the entire Eucharistic Prayer all the way to when they go to communion. This is not at all what I am used to and I don’t know if something has changed or not. Can anyone elaborate on why this might be or if it is wrong and I should say something?

A couple of other differences I noticed are they say the Apostle’s Creed during Sunday mass, not the Nicene Creed. AND they do not separate the wine prior to the consecration but they do it afterwards which I always thought was bad because the blood could be spilled.

I just don’t normally see such differences when going to different masses in different cities or states.

Any help to ease my mind or if I should say something would help. Thanks.
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There is no change in posture at that time:
"GIRM 43 (…)In the Dioceses of the United States of America, they should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus (Holy, Holy, Holy) until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, except when prevented on occasion by ill health, or for reasons of lack of space, of the large number of people present, or for another reasonable cause. (…)
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You also kneel after the Agnus Dei until Communion unless the bishop has decreed that in his diocese the posture at that time is standing.

In Canada we have an indult to use the Apostles Creed at any Mass. In the US, however, the Nicene is the proper one for Mass, at least until Nov. 27th. Once the new Missal goes into effect then the Apostles Creed becomes a licit choice everywhere. It seems that parish jumped the gun – or has been ignoring the rubrics all along.

The Precious Blood is never to be poured, the wine should have been poured into the chalices before the Consecration, but I saw an Archbishop do just that last May so I think some are opting to ignore that instruction.

I would approach the priest and politely indicate that you are puzzled by the things you haven’t experienced before. “I’ve recently moved here and am a bit confused by things I’m experiencing here. I thought we were to do ABC and never to do XYZ, was I wrong?”
 
Very few churches I go to stand from the Sanctus to the Pater Noster (Holy Holy to Our Father) and from the Agnus Dei (Lamb of God) until Communion is done. But they do not have kneelers which makes it easier. I prefer going to churches that use kneelers and kneel at the right times during the Liturgy of the Eucharist.
 
sc2437 said:
I recently moved to the Spokane area from Colorado and at the church I am attending everyone stands for the entire Eucharistic Prayer all the way to when they go to communion. This is not at all what I am used to and I don’t know if something has changed or not. Can anyone elaborate on why this might be or if it is wrong and I should say something?

A couple of other differences I noticed are they say the Apostle’s Creed during Sunday mass, not the Nicene Creed. AND they do not separate the wine prior to the consecration but they do it afterwards which I always thought was bad because the blood could be spilled.

I just don’t normally see such differences when going to different masses in different cities or states.

Any help to ease my mind or if I should say something would help. Thanks.
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It is not a requirement to say the Nicene Creed at Mass. The GIRM states only that the Creed be said so either the Nicene Creed or the Apostles Creed can be used.
Here in the Philippines only the Apostles Creed is used at Mass.
 
I’m a college student going to a “college” Church. I have been going to this Church for about a year now and have been kneeling in the back the whole time I’ve been attending. However, recently I joined the choir and knelt during the Eucharistic prayer there and the Priest noticed. After mass he asked me to come to his office, he told me that he knew I was aware of the norm in “his” Church and felt I was being disrespectful. He said that the Girm was simply a guideline and he didn’t have to follow it according to Canon Law. His phrase specifically was “if it’s not in Canon Law it’s permitted.” I do love going to this Church most of my friends are there and I don’t wish to switch parishes, but I feel so disrespectful standing what should I do? 😦
 
the priest is renegade. Go to the EF instead. it is not abuse laden as the OF.
 
Joey89511 said:
I’m a college student going to a “college” Church. I have been going to this Church for about a year now and have been kneeling in the back the whole time I’ve been attending. However, recently I joined the choir and knelt during the Eucharistic prayer there and the Priest noticed. After mass he asked me to come to his office, he told me that he knew I was aware of the norm in “his” Church and felt I was being disrespectful. He said that the Girm was simply a guideline and he didn’t have to follow it according to Canon Law. His phrase specifically was “if it’s not in Canon Law it’s permitted.” I do love going to this Church most of my friends are there and I don’t wish to switch parishes, but I feel so disrespectful standing what should I do? 😦
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Unless the Bishop has said to stand then we are to Kneel. The Bishop desides the norm for the diocesee and all are to follow it. I would find out what the other parishes in this diocesees are doing if they are all standing then that is more than likely what the bishop has said if they are kneeling then there is a problem with this priest.
 
Joey89511 said:
I’m a college student going to a “college” Church. I have been going to this Church for about a year now and have been kneeling in the back the whole time I’ve been attending. However, recently I joined the choir and knelt during the Eucharistic prayer there and the Priest noticed. After mass he asked me to come to his office, he told me that he knew I was aware of the norm in “his” Church and felt I was being disrespectful. He said that the Girm was simply a guideline and he didn’t have to follow it according to Canon Law. His phrase specifically was “if it’s not in Canon Law it’s permitted.” I do love going to this Church most of my friends are there and I don’t wish to switch parishes, but I feel so disrespectful standing what should I do? 😦
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You’re kneeling for God, not for the priest. He is vain if he thinks his way is above your reverence for God.
 
Respect his opinion and show proper obiedience. He will be held accountable by Christ if he is leading you astray. You must howver show proper deference to those in authority. At the same time make an inquiry with the diocese.
 
Joey89511 said:
I’m a college student going to a “college” Church. I have been going to this Church for about a year now and have been kneeling in the back the whole time I’ve been attending. However, recently I joined the choir and knelt during the Eucharistic prayer there and the Priest noticed. After mass he asked me to come to his office, he told me that he knew I was aware of the norm in “his” Church and felt I was being disrespectful. He said that the Girm was simply a guideline and he didn’t have to follow it according to Canon Law. His phrase specifically was “if it’s not in Canon Law it’s permitted.” I do love going to this Church most of my friends are there and I don’t wish to switch parishes, but I feel so disrespectful standing what should I do? 😦
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Point out to him Canon 2.
For the most part the Code does not determine the rites to be observed in the celebration of liturgical actions. Accordingly, liturgical laws, which have been in effect hitherto retain their force, except those which may be contrary to the canons of the Code.
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Most liturgical law is outside the Code of Canon Law. So his phrase “if it’s not in Canon Law it’s permitted” is wrong. Following that line of thinking would give him free rein to do what he wants: like some Protestant service. This is not permitted. The GIRM is not a guide; he is bound to follow its rubrics.
 
hilde_the_dog said:
Respect his opinion and show proper obiedience. He will be held accountable by Christ if he is leading you astray. You must howver show proper deference to those in authority. At the same time make an inquiry with the diocese.
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Obedience is not meant to be blind. We are under no obligation to something we are told to do by a priest when the priest is in fact wrong.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
Obedience is not meant to be blind. We are under no obligation to something we are told to do by a priest when the priest is in fact wrong.
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But the priest may not be wrong. In fact, the OP may be. He needs to find out what his bishop has said.
 
Dymphna82 said:
You’re kneeling for God, not for the priest. He is vain if he thinks his way is above your reverence for God.
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It could also go the other way. You’re vain if you think you are above the priest.
 
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