Messiah/Christ In Islam

[Reuben_J]

Please do not be a judge of the prophets on your own wishes. You are not their headmaster.

We see many prophets (Whom we understand as prophets) in the bible OT doing utterly bad things. That is the report of the bible, may be specially designed to extradite some from the list of prophets.

This is the difference between Islamic and Christianity belief. We see prophets as chosen by God to speak his words but they are human being like you and I. They were not superhuman and so they were capable of committing sins. Generally and for the most part they were good and righteous people and that’s why they are chosen by God.

The Bible reports things as what they were. It does not lie but tells only the truth. No way was prophets from the Bible not prophets just because they committed ‘bad things’. Remember, for most part they were righteous.

See Adam, see Noah, See LOT, see Aaron, David and Soloman all have been maligned. No such thing is in Quran about them.

People in that age were not fools. The people of the age were the best judges. They would not accept any one as a leader if the person had bad character.

The Bible does not malign them. If there are no such things in the Quran, then that means the Quran is not truthful.

Not all prophets were leaders or Kings. They were God’s spokesmen and not necessarily leaders. Isaiah, Ezekiel or Jeremiah was not political leaders.

Adam was the first man.

Noah was a righteous person. Nothing was mentioned about him that he was a leader except being the head of his household.

Lot was Abraham kinsman and they went on separate ways in later part of their lives. They were head of their own clans respectively, not political leaders.

Aaron, the brother of Moses was a priest who spoke for Moses.

David and Solomon were kings and therefore held political power. They were not prophet in the strictest sense of the word. Prophets were usually independent priests or person whom God use as His mouth piece. But they can be put in the prophet’s category as some of their prayers were inspired and became part of the Bible.

David was a good king and person. Solomon was good at first before he was a king but after he married many wives of different religions, his heart swayed from God. He needed to please his wife and built temple for her god.

There is no evidence that people would listen to a prophet based on his goodness. They did not listen to Noah or Ezekiel.

The truth about prophet’s lives must be told so that we can learn from them. Do not follow the bad but only the good.

 

[Valke2]

Probably one of the conditions of a prophet is that nobody wants to listen to what you have to say

As to performing miracles, this is not a requirement for prophets (plenty performed no miracles). Even fortelling the future is not so much a requirement. Essentially, a prophet is a person who has a message for his people from God.

Also, there’s nothing in the Bible that states Noah delivered any message or even spoke to the people about the Flood. Here commentators generally apply a bit of circular reasoning. “Since Noah is called a prophet (can’t remember where), then he must have warned the people about the flood, even though the Torah doesn’t mention this.”

The time of the prophets seems to have flourished around the same time that Israel started appointing kings to rule over it. Some commentators point out that this was not a coinicdence and that the prophets were meant to be a check on the secular power of kings.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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Salaam/ Peace

… why is it that you believe that Muhammed is in fact Allah’s prophet? …

I answered to this type of question earlier. Christians worship Jesus (p) as God , because they think Bible says so . Hindus believe in Trinity because they think their holy book says so . So , why ask/ challenge about Muslims beleif ?

 

[trdchubi]

You forgot:
6. Their personal behavior should not totally discredit their claims of holiness.

Otherwise I agree that a person is not a prophet merely because they say they are…even if they do make a few relatively non spectacular prediction (we all do that).

reuben j and severntofall i must add the most important thing:

1. They are from the tribe of Israel. All prophets of the Bible are Jews

 

[trdchubi]

Probably one of the conditions of a prophet is that nobody wants to listen to what you have to say

As to performing miracles, this is not a requirement for prophets (plenty performed no miracles). Even fortelling the future is not so much a requirement. Essentially, a prophet is a person who has a message for his people from God.

Also, there’s nothing in the Bible that states Noah delivered any message or even spoke to the people about the Flood. Here commentators generally apply a bit of circular reasoning. “Since Noah is called a prophet (can’t remember where), then he must have warned the people about the flood, even though the Torah doesn’t mention this.”

The time of the prophets seems to have flourished around the same time that Israel started appointing kings to rule over it. Some commentators point out that this was not a coinicdence and that the prophets were meant to be a check on the secular power of kings.

I totally agree

The prophets were meant for Israel. They are the the messengers of divine instructions made specifically for Gods chosen People. God has divine plans for them. Through their race God will send His Begotten Son Jesus. So they must be made right in God’s eyes.

 

[TomaszA]

Peace Planten,

**Please Tomas, whatever be the name of jacob’s brother Esau in Arabic, he is not the Messiah of the Quran. He is not the son of Mary. There is such a long time difference between Esau and Jesus. Moreover, Jesus of the Quran was the son of Maryam who belonged to the family of Imran.

Esau did not belong to the family of Imran. Please reply.**

I don’t mean to be offensive, I’m not suggesting that Muslims believe the brother of Jacob is the Messiah.

What I’m curious about is why Muslims call Jesus (Yeshua) Isa? Isa is more closely related to Esau than Yeshua.

 

[severntofall]

Please do not be a judge of the prophets on your own wishes. You are not their headmaster.

We see many prophets (Whom we understand as prophets) in the bible OT doing utterly bad things. That is the report of the bible, may be specially designed to extradite some from the list of prophets. See Adam, see Noah, See LOT, see Aaron, David and Soloman all have been maligned. No such thing is in Quran about them.

People in that age were not fools. The people of the age were the best judges. They would not accept any one as a leader if the person had bad character.

I absolutely agree that the folks in the OT did evil things. I’m an agnostic, and care little about the moral example they set. If they did these things then they were just as evil as Muhammed when he did them. You seem to think that the fact that because Abraham and Soloman commited evil acts then Muhammed was justified in doing so as well. I’m saying that I cannot take serious the claim that a man was a prophet if he routinely had sex with his slaves…or even owned slaves in the first place regardless how he treated them.

 

[severntofall]

Looked into the prophesies of Muhammed, it appears that some were good guess and many were put to paper after the prophecied events occured; it’s fairly easy to “predict” something that has already happened.

 

[The_Preacher]

Not that I would ever call anyone’s prophet one, that’s definately not my intent at all, no rie humor intended, but what would you call Balem’s *** (apparently the editor will not allow the proper name of a branch of equine animals, happened the New Jersey County of Middlesex too) if not a prophet who at God’s bequest spoke the truth to a faulse prophet? Remember, there were professional schools of “prophets” attached to every royal court in ancient and not so ancient times. The oricle at Aldephi was a particularly dangerous, if popular Roman prophet as the prophicies were always double entandras. By example a general asked if he would be victorious on campaign. He was told "go, a great general shall fall. He did and a great general did fall, him! I submit that the test of a prophet lies both in the endurance and in the ultimate voracity of their prophicy. For that, we must have patience. But I warn you; as we said back home: “Yas pays ya money and ya takes ya chances.” I’ll place my money on those prophets that have endured the longest, and frankly, that leaves Muhamad, particularly as he was later redacted by the Ottamon Sultan to product the Quran, out.

 

[Eucharisted]

well said planten :aok:, I personally don’t deny them :

(Matthew 24:11):
“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.”

(1 John 4:1):
“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

(Matthew 7:15-16):
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?”

(2 Pet 2:1-3):
“But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them–bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.”

This made me laugh. You have a great sense of humor, Sam, and you speak the truth. Keep it up!