"Messiah Dajjal"?

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Meedo,

You mean to tell me Islam will spread by conquoring (sword? gun? knife? bomb?) how…else can you conquor unless by force?
Are you admitting Islam plans force to spread and conquor?
No. Just like the Iraqui people are not converting to Christianity even the US has invaded their country , Islam doesnt spread just because Muslims had control over some piece of land. And it never did . Turkey might be then cntrolled by non muslims but that doesnt mean its opressed people wont be muslim themselves!! Evidence of this is the Christians living in the middle east. But thats another subject .

Hope i clarified.

salam
 
Excuse me Meedo,

You say the aniti christ is alive today? Is this anti christ a normal human in terms of life span?

Gog and Magog I dont even know about - so I will start investigating that or start a thread asking about it after I figure out more.

But- if he is alive today, and a jew, why have we not seen him yet? Any thoughts? Not a challenge but I am nervous about this Dajjal he sounds very scary and I want to know more.

This is why I argue with my friend that his claims that Islam is very simple and easy to grasp and all we need is in Koran fall flat.

Why all these different hadiths for shia and sunni?
 
Yes he is alive today . He is a human bieng but he isnt normal . God gave him certain powers and abilities over humans. He will be a test for humanity. He is the most difficult test for humanity.
 
These are not different hadeeth of shia and sunniu. They are all sunni but some are weak and some are not . Send your friend my regards.

yes Islam is a very deep religion.

salam
 
Meedo,

No kidding he is not normal. But you are not telling me very much about why he is not in Koran and why different hadiths?

I think this idea is a courruption of that went to far. It makes no sense that it is not in Koran. Islam is not simple. You are not making it sound simple either since you imply certian hadith not correct- So why do I take one over another? How do I know wich hadith is right hadith?:confused:
 
Meedo,

Dont pick on my friend for having a dog. He got the dog a few years ago since he got beat up by some anti-muslim attackers who were nasty. He has the dog for protection since he is peaceful and does not fight people.
 
Meedo,

No kidding he is not normal. But you are not telling me very much about why he is not in Koran and why different hadiths?

I think this idea is a courruption of that went to far. It makes no sense that it is not in Koran. Islam is not simple. You are not making it sound simple either since you imply certian hadith not correct- So why do I take one over another? How do I know wich hadith is right hadith?:confused:
There are hadiths which are called “sahih” or sound, hadith. These are supposed to be the reliable ones for Muslims to read, but in my experience Muslims seem to be greatly divided on even them.
 
Yes he is alive today . He is a human bieng but he isnt normal . God gave him certain powers and abilities over humans. He will be a test for humanity. He is the most difficult test for humanity.
here is a quote from Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich from her book
“The Dolorous Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ"

”: …In the center of Hell I saw a dark and horrible-looking abyss, and into this Lucifer was cast, after being first strongly secured with chains; thick clouds of sulphurous black smoke arose from its fearful depths, and enveloped his frightful form in the dismal folds, this effectually concealing him from every beholder. God himself had decreed this and I was likewise told, if I remember rightly, that he will be unchained for a time fifty or sixty years before the year of Christ 2000. The dates of many other events were pointed out to me which I do not now remember; but a certain number of demons are to be let loose much earlier than Lucifer, in order to tempt men, and to serve as instruments of the divine vengeance. I should think that some must be loosened even in the present day, and others will be set free in a short time…

there’s more here
unitypublishing.com/prophecy/EndOfWorld.wps.htm
 
Okay Meedo, I got this off the internet since it is unlikely I will see my friend on a friday.

Here is what I ask- Is this stuff correct, and are these citations valid interpetations by your standards?The Dajjal will come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion); they will affirm their faith in him and respond to him. (Sahih Muslim, 7015)
It can be seen from all this information that the Dajjal will first portray himself to people as a guide, then will claim to be the Messiah, and then declare himself to be divine (Allah is truly beyond what they ascribe to Him). In order to convince large masses of people, the Dajjal will make use of technological means and use the most advanced special illusive effects and techniques of hypnosis. Bediuzzaman Said Nursi has spoken of these methods to which the Dajjal will resort:
The Dajjal possesses hypnotic properties along the lines of spiritualism … This unbeliever whose only aim is this world attacks spiritual values with a brazenness and courage stemming from absolute unbelief. People who do not know the true state of affairs will regard this as extraordinary power and courage.(Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, Risale-i Nur
Collection – the Flashes)
Elsewhere, Bediuzzaman describes the trickery the Dajjal will use to deceive people:
The worst of these who will lead them, the Dajjal, possesses marvels linked to phenomena of spiritualism and magnetism [with such phenomena as hypnotism and contact with the jinns], and will go still further, and will declare his own divinity [Allah is truly beyond what they ascribe to Him], conceiving of a kind of divinity for his forced and false rule… B S N, R-I N Collection the letters, 55)
 
One of these views is right and the rest is wrong. Jesus will come according to Islam and break the cross infront of every body . He will kill the Pig to show that he never sanctioned eating it . His coming in itself signifies that he is the Messiah . He wilol worship God as a normal hiuman untill his death. after his death people will begin to deteriorate in their faith again just like they always did untill Judgement day comes on the worst of people.

Thanks
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What??!!! i’ve been eating pigs all my life! they’re my favorite!
now youre telling me Jesu said not to eat it? DUH!!!
 
No. Just like the Iraqui people are not converting to Christianity even the US has invaded their country , Islam doesnt spread just because Muslims had control over some piece of land. And it never did . Turkey might be then cntrolled by non muslims but that doesnt mean its opressed people wont be muslim themselves!! Evidence of this is the Christians living in the middle east. But thats another subject .

Hope i clarified.

salam
Hi Meedo,
I did not know the US was over there on a Christian conversion mission. I must have missed that report. 😉
 
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