Methodist/Catholic differences.....

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Hi all,

I have a coworker who grew up Methodist but hasn’t been attending church. He has asked questions to me and showed ALOT of interest in Catholicism and I’ve tried to answer his questions the best way I could. I am ignorent of what the methodist church believes and teaches so I there is only so much I can say to help him cross the Tiber. 😃 Any help would be much appreciated.
 
Methodists differ from each other so much that it’s hard to generalize. But a few points are likely to be true of most Methodists:

He will probably not have huge issues with the Catholic teaching on good works, and should not believe in OSAS.

He will be open to the concept that sacraments are means of grace (at least if he’s been exposed to the better elements of his tradition), but may think that Catholics are too dogmatic about just how this works.

His biggest problem will probably be a dislike of the number of rules and doctrinal definitions in Catholicism–Methodists tend to be pretty vague theologically and to value freedom and Christian charity very highly. Of course, if he’s disgruntled with this aspect of Methodism it may be a very different story!

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Hi all,

I have a coworker who grew up Methodist but hasn’t been attending church. He has asked questions to me and showed ALOT of interest in Catholicism and I’ve tried to answer his questions the best way I could. I am ignorent of what the methodist church believes and teaches so I there is only so much I can say to help him cross the Tiber. 😃 Any help would be much appreciated.
 
Recently there was a United Methodist minister here arguing with us, very gently. Graceseeker his username. You might poke back two or three weeks to see some of his posts, which give a general idea about United Methodists. The UMC has a website, but I can’t remember the URL, should be easy to find, though. Not much doctrinal content at that site, as I recall. Yesterday I was poking through the entry on Anglicanism in an old one-volume Columbia Encyclopedia someone left at work, and I noticed something in there that mentioned that Methodists are a schismatic offshoot from the Anglican Church. That’s about all I know about Methodism as of today.
 
From my experiences, Methodists tend to emphasize God’s grace and the process of sanctification. They also tend to be very much free will oriented as opposed to predestination (although I do hear that there was/is a strain of Calvinistic Methodists…is that true, Edwin?). They also tend to be big into the social gospel and a bit on the liberal side politically. Of course, these observations are based on my experiences in the Methodist Church in Pennsylvania and Maryland and may not be typical.
 
keithkelly posted:
I am ignorent of what the methodist church believes and teaches so I there is only so much I can say to help him cross the Tiber. Any help would be much appreciated.
Methodist’s believe in pretty much the same as us and the rest of Christendom. 😉

They do not put emphasis on the Holy Eucharist. When they do, they receive from little individualised cups for reasons of hiyene, which I rather like except that it is not from the ‘one’ cup!

Their worship includes a lot of hymn singing which puts us Catholics to shame. 🙂

They make greater use of lay preachers, who tend to do some pretty punchy sermons. 🙂

In the town where I used to live, there was a very dynamic Methodists congregation. When their minister died, they elected the local Roman Catholic Deacon to be their Caretaker Ordained Minister. This he did for a whole year until they were able to elect a permanent replacement. I think that should tell you all you need to know about the differences. Apart from the fact they do not have a Mass or the sacrament of Reconciliationm there are very few differences 👍
 
keithkelly posted:

Methodist’s believe in pretty much the same as us and the rest of Christendom. 😉

They do not put emphasis on the Holy Eucharist. When they do, they receive from little individualised cups for reasons of hiyene, which I rather like except that it is not from the ‘one’ cup!

Their worship includes a lot of hymn singing which puts us Catholics to shame. 🙂

They make greater use of lay preachers, who tend to do some pretty punchy sermons. 🙂

In the town where I used to live, there was a very dynamic Methodists congregation. When their minister died, they elected the local Roman Catholic Deacon to be their Caretaker Ordained Minister. This he did for a whole year until they were able to elect a permanent replacement. I think that should tell you all you need to know about the differences. Apart from the fact they do not have a Mass or the sacrament of Reconciliationm there are very few differences 👍
👍 Well done!

This reminds me, that some years ago, in a town near here, the Methodist pastor’s mother was taken extremely ill, & he had to leave to go to be with her, before she passed away.
It looked as though that there would be a series of lay preachers, but there was a desire for (a) someone to do pastoral visits to the sick, etc, in the pastor’s absence, and (b) someone “professional”, as it were, to be generally in charge of the services of the church…
Since the Catholic church was almost next door, & the 2 pastors knew each other well, the Catholic priest went to the manse to ask if there was anything he could do, to help the Methodist pastor…
The congregation reported that they all 🙂 “just loved Father”, and that they would love to have him come & actually preach someday. (As opposed to leading in prayer, etc). I always thought it was a great example of how Christians should get along…as opposed to how we often:( don’t get along…

Methodists are often, I find, closer to Catholics in our beliefs & doctrines, than we are to other Protestants…Just another reason why I like it around here!!
 
Zooey wrote;
Methodists are often, I find, closer to Catholics in our beliefs & doctrines, than we are to other Protestants…Just another reason why I like it around here!!
👍
 
I think the Methodists are much closer to us than the protestant faiths I have had exposure to.
 
John Wesley started Methodism in the early 1700s. He came from a family with a combination of Anglican and Nonconformist piety.

In college, Wesley studied such works as Thomas a Kempis’ Imitation of Christ and William Law’s Serious Call to a Holy Life, and came to the conclusion that the Christian life is the consecration of the whole man in love to God and neighbor.

Wesley didn’t start a church. He drew up a plan of study and rule of life that stressed prayer, Bible reading, and frequent attendance at Holy Communion.

They were called Methodists, a term of derision, because his “plan” was a “method” for becoming holy.

After a horrible romance that went all wrong, Wesley went to America and tried various Christian fellowships, then moved back to England and got caught up in the “Great Awakening,” which was a huge revival that swept the world and caused many millions to become Christians. I’m not sure how this revival affected the Catholic Church, but several new Protestant denominations formed, including Methodism.

For many years, the Methodist Church was the largest Protestant Denomination in the U.S. I don’t think it is anymore.

Today, the Methodist Church is a church divided. The motto is “Open Doors, Open Minds, Open Hearts.” This is basically a code for “Practicing Homosexuals are welcome here.” Methodist churches not only welcome homosexuals, but encourage them in the practice of homosexuality. Homosexuality is NOT a sin in the Methodist Church today, which tells you that the Bible is not necessarily the main authority in modern Methodism.

The Statement of Faith of the Methodist church should be studied. You will see that it staunchly condemns sexual harassment as evil, but allows for abortion. It’s very mixed up.

Many Methodist pastors seem to be women. There don’t seem to be a lot of male seminarians. But that’s just based on my city.

A movement, called “the Confessing Movement,” has arisen in the Methodist Church to try to return the church to its orginal pietist/evangelical roots. This movement is very small, only a few thousand people, but they claim to represent the TRUE teachings of the Methodist church. I happent to agree–this movement is prolife and against the practice of homosexual sex. The movement also wants the Bible restored as the teaching authority for Methodists.

You can Google and find out more about this split. Here is one link that I found:

adherents.com/largecom/methodist_split.html

A few years ago, there was a vote, and the Confessing Movement decided to stay in the Methodist Church for a few more years and try to work things out rather than breaking away and starting a new Methodist denomination. But in a few years, when the next convention is held, there will be another vote. The question is, will the Confessing Movement continue to stay in a church that is becoming increasingly liberal theologically and politically, or will they break away? And if they do break away, how many Methodists will follow them?

My parents in law attend a Methodist church, even though they were born and raised Pentecostal (Assemblies of God). They have no idea what the church teaches; they go mainly because it’s close to their house and all the old people in their small town go there, so there are lot of friendships. All of the pastors have been women, except for a short time when they had a man as an interim pastor.

My parents in law do not like a lot of the liberal teachings of the church, but they stay because of convenience. I wonder how many other Methodists remain Methodist out of tradition (the bane of the Catholic Church) or loyalty to family and friends? I personally am hoping that the Confessing Movement will succeed in turning the Methodist Church around back to its pietist roots and chase out the liberal false teachers. But I doubt this will happen.

If you are interested in a good, reasonably unbiased history of the Christian church, with good basic descriptions of the formation of the various Protestant denominations, I recommend Church History in Plain Language by Bruce Shelley. The author is Protestant, but gives a very fair and flattering picture of the early Church as CATHOLIC. This book helped me to make the decision to become Catholic. It’s an easy-to-read history, not dull or wordy or hard-to-understand. It does tend to glow a little about Martin Luther, but not overly so, and like I said, it is very fair to the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. I have also studied some church histories written by Catholics, and I’ve seen nothing in Shelley’s book that contradicts what Catholic historians teach.
 
Katholikos posted:
Quote:Originally Posted by Sixtus
Apart from the fact they do not have a Mass or the sacrament of Reconciliationm there are very few differences
Oh well, if that’s the case, we may as well all be Methodists!
I once told our Bishop [who was a former head of a Seminary] that candidates to the priesthood should as part of their training, spend time with Methodist lay preachers to learn the art of preaching.

How many times do you witness at Mass, folk who have a hymn book but do not sing? Or the music is so well orchestrated that there is no room for the body of the congregation to sing. 😦

Methodists have no inhibitions. Give them a hymnal and they will everyone to a man [or woman] punch out a good hymn.

I used to live next door to a Methodist Chapel and tended the garden. After Sunday Mass, used to go into the Chapel for the Sunday Service. It was through Methodist worship that I re-discovered my voice. Now I sing my heart out at Mass. I owe that not to Catholicism but to Methodism. 🙂
 
A lot of good faith sharing information. What I like about this post is that it focuses on what unit us rather than divide us.
 
How many times do you witness at Mass, folk who have a hymn book but do not sing? Or the music is so well orchestrated that there is no room for the body of the congregation to sing. 😦

Methodists have no inhibitions. Give them a hymnal and they will everyone to a man [or woman] punch out a good hymn.

I used to live next door to a Methodist Chapel and tended the garden. After Sunday Mass, used to go into the Chapel for the Sunday Service. It was through Methodist worship that I re-discovered my voice. Now I sing my heart out at Mass. I owe that not to Catholicism but to Methodism. 🙂
I have a Methodist friend, so I have been to Methodist services also. I was blown away by the quality and enthusiasm of the congregational singing.

Oh, one other thing. To the OP: if your Methodist friend came to Mass, he would hear the same readings as he would at the Methodist service. The Methodist church uses the same lectionary. I found that out because I volunteer once a month at an ecumenical mission meal for the poor that is held at a Methodist parish. The minister always reads the Gospel reading for the next Sunday (the meal is on Thursday night). I noticed that I was always hearing the same Gospel reading at Mass. I asked the minister about it, and he told me that the lectionary is the same.
 
Mannyfit said:
A lot of good faith sharing information. What I like about this post is that it focuses on what unit us rather than divide us.
I will say Amen to that 👍
 
lack611 posted:
Oh, one other thing. To the OP: if your Methodist friend came to Mass, he would hear the same readings as he would at the Methodist service. The Methodist church uses the same lectionary.
Hi Lack, I am priviledged to post with so iminent contributors such as you and Mannyfit. 🙂

I agree, I often used to notice the similarities in the Methodist Service that I attended and the Mass I had attended earlier on the same day 🙂
 
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Is there no Methodist here to explain issues being discussed here?
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Is there no Methodist here to explain issues being discussed here?
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
Zooey is Methodist.
 
The Journey Home this Monday is with former Methodist. You might want to tape it for this individual.
 
Cat, I think that you might be surprised at what you find in many Methodist churches. There are indeed some extreme liberals, but there are also a good many of us, who are firmly committted to our Wesleyan heritage.
Please don’t blame the whole denomination for the actions of a few, admittedly vocal, who try to carry out their own agenda…
God bless all here.
 
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