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Zooey
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George Whitefield’s followers perhaps?? He separated himslef from the Wesleys, because they did not approve of his Calvinism…
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fellowChristian
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Ok, sorry if I offended anyone.
and I never read Dear Abby.
I have however read articles from the History Channel, Wikipedia(made4 and by the public) and a few articles from Methodist websites.
So enlighten me, who started the Methodist movement and started the Methodist Church? If John and Charles never left the Anglican Church. I do recall reading something about them returning to the Anglican church after they broke off. Is that maybe what you are refering to?
and I never read Dear Abby.
I have however read articles from the History Channel, Wikipedia(made4 and by the public) and a few articles from Methodist websites.
So enlighten me, who started the Methodist movement and started the Methodist Church? If John and Charles never left the Anglican Church. I do recall reading something about them returning to the Anglican church after they broke off. Is that maybe what you are refering to?
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O.S.Luke
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The Wesley’s started a movement within the Anglican Church, and the term Methodist was applied to them, as a term of derision. It was an attempt to (1) bring Anglicanism back to its roots, and (2) reach out to the poor and commoners in England. Methodist applied to the movement’s discipline in prayer, study, accountability, sacramental emphasis, and liturgical practice.
When the movement went to America, it went as a missionary movement. However, American Methodism soon went its own way; while following Wesley in spirit, they left many of the Anglican practices behind (often for practical reasons). If you look at some of Wesley’s correspondence to Francis Asbury, you see very quickly that Wesley was NOT happy about the movement turning into a Church. Wesley’s intent was ecclesiola in ecclesia, not a communion standing apart.
At best, Methodism is a church that started by accident and, in early America, by necessity. But it would be extremely inaccurate to say that the Wesleys started a church or denomination; it was never their intent. And, as has been posted already, both John and Charles Wesley died Anglican priests in good standing, and both are in the Anglican sanctoral calendar. The Wesley’s never “broke off.” And if you look at the doctrinal and theological stances of Methodism, they are, almost without exception, the same as Anglican stances.
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When the movement went to America, it went as a missionary movement. However, American Methodism soon went its own way; while following Wesley in spirit, they left many of the Anglican practices behind (often for practical reasons). If you look at some of Wesley’s correspondence to Francis Asbury, you see very quickly that Wesley was NOT happy about the movement turning into a Church. Wesley’s intent was ecclesiola in ecclesia, not a communion standing apart.
At best, Methodism is a church that started by accident and, in early America, by necessity. But it would be extremely inaccurate to say that the Wesleys started a church or denomination; it was never their intent. And, as has been posted already, both John and Charles Wesley died Anglican priests in good standing, and both are in the Anglican sanctoral calendar. The Wesley’s never “broke off.” And if you look at the doctrinal and theological stances of Methodism, they are, almost without exception, the same as Anglican stances.
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Zooey
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They never left the Anglican Church…They lived and died, loyal & pious Anglican priests. Perhaps you are referring to the fact that they came to America as missionaries, and then returned to England? But they were Anglican missionaries, you see…
Indeed, they required that those who followed them in coming to America should teach & require the reception of the sacraments from Anglican priests…See this article:
(Thank you,
mommyof02green!!)
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AngelRose81
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Don’t know if anyone mentioned this or not, but this weeks The Journey Home was the roundtable discussion on Methodism. It was very good. I’m sure you can get it on EWTN’s or Marcus Grodi’s websites. Also you may be able to get it on iTunes as a podcast. Just thought I’d throw that out there!
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Sixtus
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I once suggested to our Bishop that all candidates studying for the priest-hood ought spend time listening and learning from Methodist Preachers.
Also Catholic Congregations hold an ecumenical event with the Methodists in order to learn how to praise God through singing.
We still have a lot to learn from the Methodists
Also Catholic Congregations hold an ecumenical event with the Methodists in order to learn how to praise God through singing.
We still have a lot to learn from the Methodists
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fellowChristian
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So Zooey, why call yourself Methodist and not Anglican?They never left the Anglican Church…They lived and died, loyal & pious Anglican priests. Perhaps you are referring to the fact that they came to America as missionaries, and then returned to England? But they were Anglican missionaries, you see…
Indeed, they required that those who followed them in coming to America should teach & require the reception of the sacraments from Anglican priests…See this article:
(Thank you,
And thanks for correcting me. I understand they founded the Methodist movement without really meaning to?
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Sixtus
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FellowChristian said:
I rather suspect there are elements who are attacking Zooey for whatever she says and if that is the case, I find that offensive
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LordHaveMercy
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I’ve grown up Methodist and am planning on starting the conversion process as soon as I live on my own,
However, my mom works for our church but her family heritage is Catholic, so I’ve had a lot of opportunities to notice similarities.
Methodists and Catholics tend to agree on:
-The entire faith and works debate, as opposed to predestination junk
-Same lectionary readings
-Importance of baptism (some Methodists don’t do infant baptism, but it is somewhat the standard)
-Not taking the Bible out of context by stringing together several verses to prove a point
-Methodists DO NOT support homosexual activity, condone “gay marriage” or ordane open/practicing gays, but do allow homosexuals to belong to the church and encourage the care of them and hope that eventually they will overcome
-Vestements, liturgical colors, the liturgical year and many other traditions
Methodists and catholics are also similar in these ways:
-Tradition (some of which is from the Catholic Church) is ranked up with (but not alongside) scripture and the Methodist church is NOT sola scriptura
-Methodists recognize that Christ is present in the Eucharist, however admit that it is a (holy) Mystery on how exactly he is present
-Methodists somewhat believe in intersession, as we sing weekly “praise him above ye heavenly host,” suggesting that, though not as strongly as the Catholics do, we do think Saints can hear our prayers
Methodists are different in that:
-Communion is shared with all Christians
-You can join the Methodist Church in a matter of minutes
-Methodists don’t confess to clergy
-Clergy can marry and be women
-Some methodist churches don’t let you drink, but most largely recognized that even Jesus had wine from time to time
-Marriage is considered a “rite of the Church” and not a sacrament
However, you’d be happy to know that the following movements are growing and hopefully are growing faster than the gay movements:
-Weekly communion and more Mass like services, coupled with more sacramentally aware Preachers
-Use of the Sign of the Cross is growing
-The Rosary is being more commonly used in some groups, and there is even a Methodist book promoting it’s use for Methodists (John Wesley also prayed it.)
Aside from maybe Anglicans (and really they’re going off the deep end in America), Methodists are the most Catholic like protestant denomination in America when it comes to beliefs.
However, my mom works for our church but her family heritage is Catholic, so I’ve had a lot of opportunities to notice similarities.
Methodists and Catholics tend to agree on:
-The entire faith and works debate, as opposed to predestination junk
-Same lectionary readings
-Importance of baptism (some Methodists don’t do infant baptism, but it is somewhat the standard)
-Not taking the Bible out of context by stringing together several verses to prove a point
-Methodists DO NOT support homosexual activity, condone “gay marriage” or ordane open/practicing gays, but do allow homosexuals to belong to the church and encourage the care of them and hope that eventually they will overcome
-Vestements, liturgical colors, the liturgical year and many other traditions
Methodists and catholics are also similar in these ways:
-Tradition (some of which is from the Catholic Church) is ranked up with (but not alongside) scripture and the Methodist church is NOT sola scriptura
-Methodists recognize that Christ is present in the Eucharist, however admit that it is a (holy) Mystery on how exactly he is present
-Methodists somewhat believe in intersession, as we sing weekly “praise him above ye heavenly host,” suggesting that, though not as strongly as the Catholics do, we do think Saints can hear our prayers
Methodists are different in that:
-Communion is shared with all Christians
-You can join the Methodist Church in a matter of minutes
-Methodists don’t confess to clergy
-Clergy can marry and be women
-Some methodist churches don’t let you drink, but most largely recognized that even Jesus had wine from time to time
-Marriage is considered a “rite of the Church” and not a sacrament
However, you’d be happy to know that the following movements are growing and hopefully are growing faster than the gay movements:
-Weekly communion and more Mass like services, coupled with more sacramentally aware Preachers
-Use of the Sign of the Cross is growing
-The Rosary is being more commonly used in some groups, and there is even a Methodist book promoting it’s use for Methodists (John Wesley also prayed it.)
Aside from maybe Anglicans (and really they’re going off the deep end in America), Methodists are the most Catholic like protestant denomination in America when it comes to beliefs.
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rr1213
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I think that traditional Lutherans would give them a run for their money.
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LordHaveMercy
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I spent a week with Lutherans (one group traditional and one group evangelical) on a missions trip, and they were much more sola scriptura than our methodist group, and when they found out my friend was Catholic they were very hateful and constantly came up with specific things to pick on that Lutherans saw differently
but, then again, my experience with lutherans was not a good one so i could be wrong.
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Mommyof02green
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yep that is what I was thinking…
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jonespm
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Methodists do not put emphasis on the eucharist because they don’t believe in the real presence. Without this what else is there, just a bunch of singing hymns. They have no set doctrines or beliefs that they can be held to believe. As a Methodist friend once said, As long as we put the money in the basket, all is good.
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rr1213
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You don’t know much about Methodists then.
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dawgfan
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I could make my own list about the similarities between the 2
but from 20+ years as a UMC I’d say that I disagree with you on at least half of what you have identified as similarities on this post.
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jonespm
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I am not a Methodist, but I have a close colleague that is and she states it is only a symbol, they do not believe in transubstantiation nor has many of the methodists that I have spoken to have any service even close to the Mass. My friend has been to Catholic services and states they are very different
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LordHaveMercy
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Despite what you may have heard, this is the official Methodist statement on Holy Communion:
gbod.org/worship/thm-bygc.pdf
It states that Communion is a “means of grace” and more importantly that:
“Jesus Christ, who “is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact imprint of
God’s very being” (Hebrews 1:3), is truly present in Holy Communion. Through
Jesus Christ and in the power of the Holy Spirit, God meets us at the Table. God,
who has given the sacraments to the church, acts in and through Holy
Communion.”
and:
The divine presence
is a living reality and can be experienced by participants; it is not a remembrance
of the Last Supper and the Crucifixion only.
There are also lots of doctrines and beliefs, you can find them in “The United Methodist Book of Discipline” which is published every 4 years, in the Bible and in the United Methodist Book of Worship. Also, on the official UMC website umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b.1707359/k.BE59/Beliefs.htm
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LordHaveMercy
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Well most of my list comes from official methodist publications and statements, but please let me know which ones i may have been wrong about
I could make my own list about the similarities between the 2
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LordHaveMercy
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Methodists services typically aren’t Mass like, however there are a wide range of services, but a movement for a return to a pattern that flows somewhat like a mass is growing
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Sixtus
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Lord have mercy posted:
Would explain why in the absence of an ordained minister, the congregation elected the local Catholic Deacon to act as Caretaker until another ordained minister could be appointed. A post he filled for a whole year.
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