Miami archdiocese bans Legionaries of Christ, Regnum Christi [CWN]

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From another post:
“I’m really pushing my luck with all these posts but MIA Parishioner brings up a point that causes a real problem for parents regarding the Legion and Regnum Christi: talking to children without their parents’ consent. The daughter of a friend of mine was pulled aside by a Regnum Christi consecrated. The girl was basically told “If what your parents tell you contradicts what we tell you, then your obligation is to follow God and ignore your parents.””

Well, what if the consecrated was telling the girl that she needs to go to Mass on Sunday, and it’s a mortal sin if you don’t? What do you want the consecrated to do, not guide the kid to understanding the truth? Perhaps she could have worded it differently and said, “follow the the Church teaches,” but she was not wrong.
This is exactly what is wrong with the LC/RC way of thinking and the malformation of its members. “The ends justifies the means as long as it’s for the kingdom.” The above instance had nothing to do with doctrine but with recruitment of the young girl into Regnum Christi. This is the typical MO of Regnum Christi recruitment. What they do is basically tell a child or teenager that God is calling him/her to join the Movement. (How they know that is beyond me.) If the youngster doesn’t, he/she is disobeying God. So ignoring the objections of parents so as to be wooed by LC/RC is actually fulfilling God’s will.

It’s funny how the “orthodox” Legion’s method of recruitment of the young contradicts the Church’s teaching that parents are the primary educators of their children. Correct me if I’m wrong but the parents’ authority over their minor children must be respected, even if what they teach is not in line with the Church.
 
Well, what if the consecrated was telling the girl that she needs to go to Mass on Sunday, and it’s a mortal sin if you don’t?
In fact, if the girl is a minor without any transportation and her parents refuse to let her attend Mass, it’s not a mortal sin! The consecrated would be wrong and would have put an undue burden on the conscience of that girl. Formation indeed.
 
So you’re saying that the average parish priest is not orthodox?
I can’t see how I could help you by answering that question or engaging in the kind of discussion that would be necessary to bring some more understanding – so I’ll just leave it at that.
For starters there’s a huge difference between what you inherit and what you invite. All diocesan clergy to some extent are “inherited” by the Bishop. The LC are a group that is invited into the diocese. In other words, just because my family might be dysfunctional does not mean I’m going to go out and invite dysfunctional nonrelatives into my life.
Secondly, along those same lines, a bishop is essentially “stuck” with his diocesan clergy. In many ways we do have canonical rights once ordained. The LC had no canonical rights and thus were easier to deal with.
That is a good explanation. I wouldn’t blame the bishop for getting rid of his easier problems first (or solely his easier problems). As you said, those who are invited in are more defenseless, so to speak. That’s the nature of it. While I don’t question how the ecclesiastical politics work, I’m just offering a more idealistic view. Why not work on some of the harder problems and discover the ways of solving the dissent which is entrenched in various places? Why not tap into the desire for the faithful to receive better spiritual formation? Well, in that case, one would have to admit that the faithful are malformed or undernourished. The archbishop is going to claim the opposite. “Everything is working just fine – we don’t need any additional help”.

From my view, that’s the emperor parading in his new clothes (or in this case, a new polyester chasuble).

So, I’m not trying to be cynical, but as I said before – what needs to be done simply doesn’t happen. It’s not just a question of orthodoxy but it’s a question of a blindness to the major problems that have been affecting the Church in America for some decades.
And there are blogs that complain the Pope is too liberal. Does that mean its true?
Well, again – I’m trying to be neutral but I can’t accept a view that there are no serious problems in the Archdiocese of Miami.

I think that is a position to consider though - like this:

There is no need for the work of the LC because the people they minister to can get basically the same, or at least adequate support elsewhere.
The archdiocese was justified in kicking them out because they disobeyed.
The archdiocese does not take equally decisive and punitive actions against dissent because:
– there isn’t much dissent or disobedience
– whatever dissent is present is not as bad as the LC disobedience
– dissenters have more rights so there’s nothing the archbishop can do
… and probably some other answers

I can understand that view – but I don’t agree with it.

The LC are successful because they meet an important need in the Church. They cut against the watered-down Catholicism that has been destroying dioceses in the U.S. for many years. Bishops should realize that and either make a place for them to work, or better yet – learn from them and replicate what they do to achieve successful priestly and lay formation among his own people.

That would solve the problem. There’d be little need for the LC if that happened. People wouldn’t be posting blogs about the crisis of faith in the archdiocese either – just as nobody did that in St. Louis when Abp. Burke was there.

So, it depends on priorities.
Work on your housekeeping and tidy-up messes with squeaky-wheels by wiping them out. Or, work towards repairing, rebuilding and expanding the reach of the Catholic Faith – with help from the LC or other, perhaps better priestly associations.

If what E Glynn said about the real reason for this action is true, then that fits exactly with what I’ve seen before and what I’d expect. “Obedience” is used as a weapon, when necessary. It’s applied in a hyper-selective manner. Dissenters can proclaim heresy from parish pulpits and they don’t even receive a word of correction.
 
Jesus didn’t…:eek:
Nine posts in two years and two of those attacking the LoC. Do you have an axe to grind or is there something I am missing?

They have been banned from such dioces as St. Paul, Los Angelos, and Baltimore. These diocese are not known for the orthodoxy to say the least. I am not implying that the LoC is the foundation of orthodoxy in the church today, but I have had many positive experiences with them and found them to be quite inspirational. When a diocese will allow all manner of dissent and heterodoxy, but have issue with men such as the priests of the LoC, one will question the motives.

The current visitation by Archbishop Chaput will be telling. I believe him to be a very orthodox bishop who is not afraid of doing the right thing. Should he have issues with the LoC and RC, I will have to rethink my position.
 
"his is exactly what is wrong with the LC/RC way of thinking and the malformation of its members. “The ends justifies the means as long as it’s for the kingdom.” The above instance had nothing to do with doctrine but with recruitment of the young girl into Regnum Christi. This is the typical MO of Regnum Christi recruitment. What they do is basically tell a child or teenager that God is calling him/her to join the Movement. (How they know that is beyond me.) If the youngster doesn’t, he/she is disobeying God. So ignoring the objections of parents so as to be wooed by LC/RC is actually fulfilling God’s will.

It’s funny how the “orthodox” Legion’s method of recruitment of the young contradicts the Church’s teaching that parents are the primary educators of their children. Correct me if I’m wrong but the parents’ authority over their minor children must be respected, even if what they teach is not in line with the Church."

Well a Catholic Club is not going to teach something that is not in line with the Church, any more than a CCD class should. If parents place their kids in the club, which is completely optional, and the girls get the true teaching of the Church, like the true meaning of Papal Infallibility, then the parents should not be surprised.

No one calls those kids into the Movement. You do not know what you are talking about. They can’t even be “in the Movement” …(that’s from the “old” days) they can be better Catholics, though and have a support system of good Catholic kids around them. That is all those clubs are for…doesn’t matter who helps them to be better Catholics… just that it happens.

I am done, folks. The LC did nothing wrong and neither did RC…in fact, in twenty years you will still be blabbing about the same junk. Better things to do…
 
I think that we need to step back on this and examine what’s going on in this thread. It feels to me that this is becoming a situation of people wanting to run a diocese long-distance, which is illegal and does not work. Only bishops and the priests council can run a diocese.

If we look at this at face value, whether or not a diocese is optimal is not the question. There is no such thing as an optimal diocese. Every diocese has issues, be they dissenters, immoral behavior among priests, apathetic lay people, financial problems, and the list gets longer.

The issue, as it has been presented by the Chancellor of the diocese falls under the canons and rules of the Sacred Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life. I don’t know what the constitutions of the LC and RC say, but it may even fall under their own constitutions. I know that most religious communities have clauses built into their constitutions or their rule (if they have one) that says that they may not serve in a diocese without the bishop’s permission.

The rule of the universal Church is that a bishop does not need a reason to deny any religious institute entrance into his diocese or to ask the major superior of an institute to remove his/her religious from his diocese. So our asking why or what other motives were there, is irrelevan to the Vatican, the canon law, and the Sacred Congregation for religious life.

If I, as a religious, complained that I was asked to leave a diocese or that I was not allowed to enter a diocese, the Vatican would tell me to obey and be quiet. I have no rights, except within my religious order. Outside of that, I have no rights in the Church. I surrender those rights when I make a vow of obedience. The only rights that I have are those that are granted by the rule of St. Francis and the Constitutions of the order, because those rights are approved by the Vatican. Other than that, I have very few rights under canon law.

If you read canon law, under consecrated life, you will be amazed that most of the law DOES NOT grant religios men or women too many rights.

Let’s bullet them.

We have the right to exist once approved by the Holy See
We have the right to govern ourseles without interference from bishops and laity
We have the right to live within our religious community regardless of our sinfulness, until dismissed by the Holy See or the community
We have the right to exercise our ministry in OUR own territories, not a bishop’s

Now let’s look at the rights that we do not have

We do not have the right to appeal a bishop’s decisions
We do not have the right to express our opinion on any matter without the permission of the proper authorities
We do not have the right to enter any diocese or diocesan property without permission of the Ordinary of the diocese
We do not have the right to remain in a jurisdiction without the permission of the canonical authority in that jurisdiction
We do not have the right to preach, minister, administer sacraments and make any contact with the laity without the approval of the Ordinary
We do not have the right to compete with diocesan clergy, as the diocese is their domain, not that of religious
We do not have the right to recruit vocations or promote our ministries and our teaching without the permission of the Ordinary
We do not have the right to speak to the Ordinary of any diocese unless he wishes to speak to us first
We do not have the right to manifest our presence in any diocese by wearing a habit in public, posting signs, running activities, using the media or other, without the consent of the Ordinary
We do not have the right to erect a house, oratory, or institution without the expressed permission of the Ordinary, which must be in writing to the major superior
We do not have the right to an appeal if our presence in a diocese was never consented to by the Ordinary
We do not have the right to own property within a diocese without the permission of the Ordinary
We do not have the right to an explanation when we are asked to abandon a diocesan ministry or the diocese

Whether this seems fair or not, these are the rules that have been in place since the 13th century. On the other hand, institutes that are canonically established in a diocese work these things through their Ordinary with the Ordinary of the diocese. Those communities that are guests in a diocese do not have this right. They simply serve at the discretion of the bishop.

The rules that govern public associations of the faithful, such as third orders or secular order, required that these associations be canonically erected. The superiors of these associations know this. If they are not canonically erected the local bishop can disband them without further permission from anyone. Canonical erection is not the same as approval by the Holy See. The Holy See can approve a religious order, religious congregation, third order, secular order, society of apostolic life, clerical society or institute and they are still not canonically erected in a diocese until the process is completed between the bishop and the major superior. The Holy See only grants permission for an institute and an association to receive members and to exist in the universal Church. It does not grant them permission to exist in any diocese of the universal Church. That permission can only be granted by the local bishop.

Finally, all religious and lay associations must serve the diocesan/secular clergy. They are above us in rights and authority in any diocese, because it is their diocese, not our own. When we become religious, we cease to be members of any diocese. Therefore, we have no home. I know that there are disobedient religious who run ammock in a diocese. That is not the norm. They are the exception.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
“In fact, if the girl is a minor without any transportation and her parents refuse to let her attend Mass, it’s not a mortal sin! The consecrated would be wrong and would have put an undue burden on the conscience of that girl. Formation indeed.”

Everybody knows that…I was just giving an example. Chill
 
No, my parish is not the one you are referencing so I will not comment on that parish. I don’t think it would be fair of me (to that parish or to the LC/RC) to comment on a parish whose situation I know nothing about. Not even sure which parish you are talking about actually.

My parish is the one that started this entire conversation and which prompted the archbishop to ban the LC/RC. Also the one you decided to insult, label and judge without knowing the details of the situation in the following quoted post.

I have found the conversations and the different points of views on this forum very interesting and very enlightening. I have learned a lot from all of you, especially Br. J. I do have an opinion, based on what we have experienced as a parish but I will keep my comments only to what I know first hand.
To the MIA Parishioner “who felt the pain” what you just replied to me about in a personal email is that your pastor likes the LC and brought them in because he believes in their work. The parishioners, especially with kids at the school, were not happy with their conservativism and complained. I don’t think you “felt” any pain…you guys are just liberal and felt intimidated. The parents thought the kids, who were being told that the clubs were available to join, were being pushed into something. Did they feel this way with Girls Scouts?

It is very unlike the LC to do anything against what the bishop tells them. I think there is just a supreme lack of information here, to say the least.
 
I am done, folks. The LC did nothing wrong and neither did RC…in fact, in twenty years you will still be blabbing about the same junk. Better things to do…
“The LC did nothing wrong and neither did RC”

Not in Miami.
Not in Columbus.
Not in Fort Wayne-South Bend.
Not in Richmond, Va.
Not in Baton Rouge.
Not in Los Angeles.
Not in Minneapolis-St. Paul.
Not in Seattle.

Nope nope nope. It is the Bishop’s fault, liberal Catholic’s fault, Satan’s fault, jealous and threatened priests’ faults, etc.

This is what has taken the Legion and RC to where they are today. They lack the ability (and the humility) to be accountable for their errors, to practice healthy self critique, and to make logical changes based on that self examination. It is getting to the point where it might be too late for them, depending on the outcome of this Apostolic visitation.

One just has to do a google search of “Legionaries of Christ” to see there is a whole world of suffering souls out there who have encountered the Legion and RC and have had bad experiences. Many of those suffering souls have written to their bishop, and so, many bishops are understandably cautious with allowing the Legion free rein in their diocese.

In searching on the internet, I have not found the same sort of information about suffering ex-Dominicans, or suffering ex-Franciscans, or suffering ex-Benedictines, or suffering ex-Jesuits, Etc. Perhaps it’s out there, but I haven’t found it.

If orthodoxy was the only measure of the worth of a congregation of priests, yes, LC would rate high. I do admire their orthodoxy. However, if we are to acknowledge what is good about the Legion, I also think it is fair to acknowlege that there is suffering as well. Let’s live in the truth.

I pray for healing and reform for all affected by this unfortunate scandal in our Church.
 
Perhaps we should refrain from making sweeping generalizations? I’m sure the majority of members of both the diocese(s) in question as well the Legionaries are doing their best, regardless of perceived shortcomings some have towards the policies of either.
 
I am sure that any local ordinary banning a religious congregation is doing so with the best interest of his flock at heart, despite shortcomings perceived by some towards his decisons.
 
I am sure that any local ordinary banning a religious congregation is doing so with the best interest of his flock at heart, despite shortcomings perceived by some towards his decisons.
We have to keep in mind that these decisions are not easy for anyone. There are different ways of dealing with this and one can complain that it should have been dealt this way or that. Those are procedural concerns. I don’t believe that any bishop believes that he has a monapoly on how to resolve a problem. They do the best they can.

We have to recall that these things don’t happen every day. I belong to a rather large religious family and I don’t know of any diocese that has ever asked any of the Franciscan branches to leave. I know that other order that have many religious men around the world have also had a positive experience with the bishops. There are always bumps on the road, but these usually involved individuals or a particular house, not an entire region or jurisdiction of religious. My point is that when a bishop takes such meausres, he usually has some very compelling reasons.

Having said that, we must remember that the bishops do not owe us an explanation for their actions. Theology and canon law are very clear. Where there is a bishop, there is a Church. In other words, these are autonomous Churches. They only have to answer to the Holy See. Many of you who are not religious may not have experienced the challenge of not being able to ask for an explanation or have an opinion on something. For those of us who are religious men, this is part of who we are. We surrender our right to an opinion or an explanation from those who are superior to us and who have greater dignity than we do. We are the lowest rung on the ladder. But we entered religious life because we embrace this reality.

As a religious, I believe that even the LC will agree with me that we do not want to be defended from the bishops or our religious superiors. We. religious, are not at war with the bishops. We acknowledge their authority over us and that of our major superiors. We are nothing and no one. You will get some religious who will disagree with me, usually they do have issues with authority, but that’s not the majority. Those are isolated indivduals. In any family you are going to have disagreements. The Church has had those for 2000 years and survived. We will survive again.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
The Legion of Christ is not disobedient to the bishops.

What happened in Miami is that pastors got moved around, like they normally do. The pastors who had the RC apostolates running in their parishes, with full approval from the chancery, were happy with them and wanted them in their new parishes. This caused the request for RC apostolate expansion which was noticed at the chancery. At least one new pastor of one of the old parishes, if you follow me, really wasn’t interested in the apostolates even though his parishioners were. RC people at that parish asked, likely verbally, for permission from the new pastor but being summertime and all … well padre didn’t respond. He may have done it on purpose or he may not, but then he complained to the bishop that RC people, people mainly focusing on their marriages and families, were at his parish without his approval. The thing is that they had approval for three or so years prior from the chancery to run their apostolates. This whole thing happened over about a three month period.

The Legion of Christ gets invited into dioceses all the time. There are other orders that get moved around because the bishops turn out to be unfriendly to them…happens all the time. There are also 12 or 13 US bishops who have come out with glowing remarks regarding the work of the Legion and Regnum Christi.

The bishop only knows what people tell him, and as you can tell by many of the posts here people live in the past, don’t understand lay movements or orders, teaching of the Church, etc. Just because the bishop responded to the Legion negatively does not mean he was correct, especially since he is calling them disobedient. They were not disobedient.

Take care.
 
“I am sure that any local ordinary banning a religious congregation is doing so with the best interest of his flock at heart, despite shortcomings perceived by some towards his decisons.”

That’s a nice thought, but in reality he probably just got irritated.
 
The bishop only knows what people tell him, and as you can tell by many of the posts here people live in the past, don’t understand lay movements or orders, teaching of the Church, etc. Just because the bishop responded to the Legion negatively does not mean he was correct, especially since he is calling them disobedient. They were not disobedient.
Well you’ve got to hand it to the Legion and its RC groupies: their response to their critics is always consistent:

ad hominem
“people live in the past”

elitism
“don’t understand lay movements or orders”

an appeal to their superior knowledge of the faith
“don’t understand … teaching of the Church”

lack of respect for legitimate authority
“The bishop only knows what people tell him … [he was not] correct, especially since he is calling them disobedient. They were not disobedient.” (basically calling the bishop either a fool or a liar)

What LC/RC co-founders have to say in defense of their movement rings hollow when someone like myself (who lives in the past only insofar as I remember your history) recalls how the sexual abuse victims of Fr. Maciel were maligned and denied justice “for the sake of the kingdom”.

Please don’t insult the posters of this thread. Where is the charity you hang your hat on so often. I would say that most of the contributors in the Catholic Answers Forums are some of the best educated and catechized members of the Church.
 
We have to keep in mind that these decisions are not easy for anyone. There are different ways of dealing with this and one can complain that it should have been dealt this way or that. Those are procedural concerns. I don’t believe that any bishop believes that he has a monapoly on how to resolve a problem. They do the best they can.

We have to recall that these things don’t happen every day. I belong to a rather large religious family and I don’t know of any diocese that has ever asked any of the Franciscan branches to leave. I know that other order that have many religious men around the world have also had a positive experience with the bishops. There are always bumps on the road, but these usually involved individuals or a particular house, not an entire region or jurisdiction of religious. My point is that when a bishop takes such meausres, he usually has some very compelling reasons.

Having said that, we must remember that the bishops do not owe us an explanation for their actions. Theology and canon law are very clear. Where there is a bishop, there is a Church. In other words, these are autonomous Churches. They only have to answer to the Holy See. Many of you who are not religious may not have experienced the challenge of not being able to ask for an explanation or have an opinion on something. For those of us who are religious men, this is part of who we are. We surrender our right to an opinion or an explanation from those who are superior to us and who have greater dignity than we do. We are the lowest rung on the ladder. But we entered religious life because we embrace this reality.

As a religious, I believe that even the LC will agree with me that we do not want to be defended from the bishops or our religious superiors. We. religious, are not at war with the bishops. We acknowledge their authority over us and that of our major superiors. We are nothing and no one. You will get some religious who will disagree with me, usually they do have issues with authority, but that’s not the majority. Those are isolated indivduals. In any family you are going to have disagreements. The Church has had those for 2000 years and survived. We will survive again.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Br. JR, OSF
Thank you for your posts and explanations. I know that the LC and RC are being investigated by the Church right now. Maybe you can answer this question for me. How can they be allowed to recruit in these schools when their formation is being called into question?
 
The bishop only knows what people tell him, and as you can tell by many of the posts here people live in the past, don’t understand lay movements or orders, teaching of the Church, etc. Just because the bishop responded to the Legion negatively does not mean he was correct, especially since he is calling them disobedient. They were not disobedient.
I find the scenario that you described to be rather far fetched. It seems rather unbelievable that the chancery would be that unaware. What you’re describing is either gross incompetence or a grand conspiracy and I’m not usually inclined to buy either…
 
:console:
Well I hate to burst your bubble, but I ain’t RC or ex-Rc or Lc or ex-RC or a groupie to anybody. Thank you for the complement, though.

I do, however, have a priest cousin who is at one of those parishes in Miami that got a new pastor…and I have a lot of Catholic friends there who are quite active and involved in their parishes

I am also extremely active in my diocese and at my parish up North. I know quite well how this parish stuff works. We’ve got homeschooling apostolates, Legion of Mary, Schoenstatt, Opus Dei, RC, all kinds of stuff here including at my parish. We bring in speakers from all over the world too. I know how this works.

One parish in my diocese got a new pastor and decided that groups like Opus Dei, Legion of Mary, homeschooling, RC, etc was not what he wanted at his parish so he asked them all to leave. It’s not an affront to them, it’s just that it’s not his thing. He has every right to do that.

I also had contact with our Vicar General a few years back by phone regarding a speaker coming to our parish and I wanted to be sure I did not need to get approval from him. We had a phone conversation after I sent him a letter and he told me over the phone that I did not need his approval. Verbal…think I followed up with a note of confirmation. That’s how it works.

No dummy here. Anyway you bloggers are really something else!!

Bless you all!
 
Br. JR, OSF
Thank you for your posts and explanations. I know that the LC and RC are being investigated by the Church right now. Maybe you can answer this question for me. How can they be allowed to recruit in these schools when their formation is being called into question?
I’m getting my information from the same source as everyone else, the website of the Archdiocese of Miami. According to the site the LC and RC never had permission to enter the Catholic schools in the diocese. The letter from the Chancellor says that because they do not have permission to be in the Catholic schools all of their activities in the schools must cease immediately.

As to the investigation, one must remember a point of law. It is up to the local bishop to grant permission for any religious community to serve in his diocese. The investigatioin has no authority over the bishop. A bishop is a Church unto himself, in a manner of speaking. He posesses the fullness of the priesthood and if he has his own diocese, he has full authority over it. As long as he is in communion with Rome, he can do what he wants to do. If Rome were to say that the Legion cannot serve in any public ministry or that they have no canonical place in the Church, as they have said about the SSPX, no bishop can allow them to serve. This would place the bishop outside of communion with the Holy See. Until that is said, the bishop has the authority to make prudential judgments for his diocese.

Therefore, some bishops allow the Legion to serve in their dioceses and others do not. Some put restrictions on them and others do not.

It is very important to know this. EVERY RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY HAS RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON THEM BY THE LOCAL BISHOP. Unless the religious community runs its own institution, they have to operate within the boundaries tha tthe bishop and the Vicar for Religious place on them.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
:console:
Well I hate to burst your bubble, but I ain’t RC or ex-Rc or Lc or ex-RC or a groupie to anybody. Thank you for the complement, though.

I do, however, have a priest cousin who is at one of those parishes in Miami that got a new pastor…and I have a lot of Catholic friends there who are quite active and involved in their parishes

I am also extremely active in my diocese and at my parish up North. I know quite well how this parish stuff works. We’ve got homeschooling apostolates, Legion of Mary, Schoenstatt, Opus Dei, RC, all kinds of stuff here including at my parish. We bring in speakers from all over the world too. I know how this works.

One parish in my diocese got a new pastor and decided that groups like Opus Dei, Legion of Mary, homeschooling, RC, etc was not what he wanted at his parish so he asked them all to leave. It’s not an affront to them, it’s just that it’s not his thing. He has every right to do that.

I also had contact with our Vicar General a few years back by phone regarding a speaker coming to our parish and I wanted to be sure I did not need to get approval from him. We had a phone conversation after I sent him a letter and he told me over the phone that I did not need his approval. Verbal…think I followed up with a note of confirmation. That’s how it works.

No dummy here. Anyway you bloggers are really something else!!

Bless you all!
The issue is very simple. When it comes to bishops and diocesan priests, those of us who are religious have always been taught by our founders that we are nothing in their presence. They are our masters and we are their servants. They command and we obey. If a bishop says that we leave, we leave. Please DO NOT DEFEND US FROM CHURCH AUTHORITIES. We religious who are faithful to what it means to be a religious, do not want to be defended. We know what we are. We are sons and daughters of the Church. We have very few rights and we like it that way. That’s what Christ called us to live.

As St. Francis said in our rule, “The bishops are right even when you think they are wrong.” They are right by virtue of their office. Meaning that they are always within their rights as long as they are in communion with the pope and follow canon law. They may be kicking us out because they don’t like the color of our hair or the fact that we pray too much, etc. But Canon Law allows them to do so. Therefore, they are right and we must leave without protesting, without asking questions, without expressing any opnions.

A religious man does not have opnions, feelings or questions unless they are allowed by those who are superior to him or by his constitution. It’s that simple. And we would like the laity to respect that and follow suit in matters that involve us.

What I’m getting in this thread is the laithy, not the Legion, questioning the legitimate decision of a bishop concerning a religious community. The only agent with authority to ask questions or call into doubt the actions of the bishop is the Holy Father. This is never done in defense of religious. Those of us who are religious know this. The papacy will never protect us from the bishops. The bihops hold a very special place in relation to the pope, that religious do not.

We have certain pontifical rights. But these were not violated in this situation. The bishop did not tell the Legion what they have to believe or how to live their religious life. That he cannot do. He simply said, please leave. That he can do. He need not give any of us, in any religious order or to the laity, an explanation.

I am amaze at how many lay people want to know what happens regarding religious communities. It’s very simple. We obey, we must obey. We are silent, we must be silent. We have no opinion. We may not have an opinion unless our superior says so. We have no feeling unless our superior says so. Otherwise, we keep all opinions, feelings and questions to ourselves. And our usual answer is, we obey.

If you meet any religious who says anything further than “I obey” without the permission of his superior to express anything else, in a situation like this, you have a religious who is not orthodox. That’s not how obedience operates.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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