Miami Archdiocese Sponsors Concert by Gay Men's Chorus

[srp643]

It’s getting very confusing to me now. Does the Catholic Church promote homosexuality in its Churches? I thought St. Paul said something about this.

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[Father_of_9]

No, the Catholic Church teaches that homosexual behavior is sinful. However, some individuals or groups who call themselves Catholic do not believe that, either out of a false sense of compassion or outright rebellion against the Church’s teaching.

 

[Catholic1954]

I see no homosexual behavior in this picture.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

Good grief…Pretty blatant, huh?

 

[srp643]

I see no homosexual behavior in this picture.

So if there is no actual homosexual behavior at an event that is openly and explicitly promoting the gay lifestyle, the Church should be ok with it and, in fact, let these groups use our Churches? I thought I read somewhere that St. Paul was opposed to this type of behavior. Maybe someone can help point out what the Bible and Catechism says about homosexuality. Chapter and verse would be appreciated.

 

[RobbyS]

So if there is no actual homosexual behavior at an event that is openly and explicitly promoting the gay lifestyle, the Church should be ok with it and, in fact, let these groups use our Churches? I thought I read somewhere that St. Paul was opposed to this type of behavior. Maybe someone can help point out what the Bible and Catechism says about homosexuality. Chapter and verse would be appreciated.

By the same logic, if the alcoholics in the parish get together and form a choir, then the Church should support it. I don’t mean an AA chorus, but a group whose members celebrate their vice, more or less as Dean Martin pretended to. So we compliment them for not being drunk in public?

 

[redrosetea]

There is a gay organization within the church called courage. They are faithful to Scripture and to the pope and magesterium…Perhaps they are the ones involved with this concert?

We must get all of the facts before we say it is good or bad

 

[srp643]

There is a gay organization within the church called courage. They are faithful to Scripture and to the pope and magesterium…Perhaps they are the ones involved with this concert?

We must get all of the facts before we say it is good or bad

We do have the facts. As stated clearly in the article, this group is called the Miami Men’s Gay Chorus and they have their own website (miamigaychorus.org) which advertises this specific event at a Catholic Church. There is no other name or organization involved. Here is their Mission Statement:

The Miami Gay Men’s Chorus is an inclusive, community-based organization of gay men and gay-supporting people that inspires and changes lives through the power of music. With humor and heart, we proudly entertain our audiences while striving for artistic excellence.

So again, are our Churches supposed to be hosting these explicitly gay events and promoting this lifestyle? If so, why aren’t more of our Churches doing so?

 

[Father_of_9]

Please see my previous post. The Catholic Church calls us to love the sinner, but not the sin. Just like Jesus did when He confronted the woman accused of adultery. He did not condemn her. But He also said, “Go and sin no more.” Likewise we are to care for those who are afflicted with homosexual desires. But we cannot condone homosexual behavior, just like we can’t condone any other type of sin. The problem with the Gay Men’s Chorus is that they are proud of the behavior that they have in common. Otherwise they would call their group by another name. They seek to have their behavior accepted by society and by the Church. Unfortunately there are too many people with misguided compassion who agree with gay activists who seek to make everyone accept that lifestyle at all costs. No, the Gay Men’s Chorus should not be permitted to perform in a Catholic setting.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

I remember in Chicago one parent of a child in the Chicago Children’s Choir objected to the choir appearing on a program which also featured the Chicago Gay Man’s Chorus. There was a city-wide

 

[Seamus_L]

The Windy City Gay Men’s Chorus sang at the funeral mass of Chicago’s Cardinal Bernardin.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

I remember in Chicago one parent of a child in the Chicago Children’s Choir objected to the choir appearing on a program which also featured the Chicago Gay Man’s Chorus. There was a city-wide

If I had a child in that choir it would be two parents objecting…

 

[redrosetea]

We do have the facts. As stated clearly in the article, this group is called the Miami Men’s Gay Chorus and they have their own website (miamigaychorus.org) which advertises this specific event at a Catholic Church. There is no other name or organization involved. Here is their Mission Statement:

The Miami Gay Men’s Chorus is an inclusive, community-based organization of gay men and gay-supporting people that inspires and changes lives through the power of music. With humor and heart, we proudly entertain our audiences while striving for artistic excellence.

So again, are our Churches supposed to be hosting these explicitly gay events and promoting this lifestyle? If so, why aren’t more of our Churches doing so?

The church is supposed to evangelize, and to bring back the lost sheep…I don’t know the state of these men’s souls…they might be living a life as good as anyone else and be celibate too…I won’t say they all are ,but I don’t see this as the same as the gay pride stuff in parade marches where their behavior and dress is disgusting at best and immoral at worst

They could belong to this group just because they have a common condition, and feel rejected… I would have to know more about it before I could judge

 

[Middleman]

I would suspect that the Archdiocese of Miami is a liberal one, and this is a political statement of support for full inclusion of gays into the life of the church. They are trying to disguise this and say they are evangelizing, no doubt.

 

[redrosetea]

You might be right. I am just trying to give the benefit of a doubt

 

[srp643]

The church is supposed to evangelize, and to bring back the lost sheep…I don’t know the state of these men’s souls…they might be living a life as good as anyone else and be celibate too…I won’t say they all are ,but I don’t see this as the same as the gay pride stuff in parade marches where their behavior and dress is disgusting at best and immoral at worst

They could belong to this group just because they have a common condition, and feel rejected… I would have to know more about it before I could judge

We should carefully review and reflect on Romans 1:1-32. No question the Church evangelizes all types of humans. The state of these men’s souls is not the fundamental question that has been raised. This appears to be overt and explicit sponsorship when this Miami Church gives a platform to an officially “Gay” organization. If the group dropped the “Gay” reference in their name, and their marketing and performance did not promote the gay lifestyle in any way whatsoever, I would say there is no confusion and the Miami Church has not promoted scandal based on what the Church says about the homosexuality. Based on scripture, St. Paul would never approve of something like this. If St. Paul wouldn’t approve, what would Jesus say? The Lord felt strongly about what happened in His house. We must reach out to homosexuals, but using Church property to promote this lifestyle creates an association between “gay” and “Catholic” that is false, deceptive and scandalous. Outreach can be and is done in many other ways that don’t confuse Catholics, especially young ones.

 

[bradwill911]

First, I don’t know everything about this chorus or what was involved when the decision to allow them to sing was made. Second, as someone else pointed out, hate the sin, not the sinner. Third, why does this necessarily make the Archdiocese of Miami “liberal”? Here’s what the CCC says about homosexuality:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

So, I would think that unless they are engaging in homosexual acts, they should probably be “accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity”.

Peace be with you.

 

[srp643]

First, I don’t know everything about this chorus or what was involved when the decision to allow them to sing was made. Second, as someone else pointed out, hate the sin, not the sinner. Third, why does this necessarily make the Archdiocese of Miami “liberal”? Here’s what the CCC says about homosexuality:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

So, I would think that unless they are engaging in homosexual acts, they should probably be “accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity”.

Peace be with you.

You’re making this harder than it really is. The word 'Gay" in the organization’s formal name directly promotes a certain lifestyle as opposed to the name 'Miami Men’s Chorus". Are they willing to change the name to “Miami Celibate-Gay Men’s Chorus”? Now that would be a good start. Are they willing to read aloud the Pauline scriptures on homosexuality and the CCC verses you cited above before their performances? That would be also good. How about they put those scriptures and verses on their website? I didn’t see that when I reviewed their website but maybe they could step up for Christ and do so. By their fruit you will know them.

Read my last post. It’s one thing to “accept with respect, compassion and sensitivity” (the Church does this even though homosexuals have done and are doing just the opposite to the Church) but it is another to use Church property to promote openly “gay” organizations. Have you seen the Pope invite openly gay organizations in Rome to perform concerts in our Churches? He is our leader, we must follow him.

This type of sponsorship only confuses Catholics, especially young ones. They make a link between homosexuality and the Church that is at best confusing and at worst dangerous.

Peace be with you as well. Pax tecum.

 

[bradwill911]

Sorry for making it harder than it really is, I thought it was you who asked for the paragraphs from the CCC. I was supplying them. You are obviously very passionate about this. Perhaps you should write the Bishop for the Archdiocese of Miami to express your concerns and how this invitation and concert was un-Biblical, against the CCC, opposed to the example set by Pope Benedict XVI, against St. Paul’s teachings, and not approved by Christ.

Without knowing anything further about the invitation and concert, from St. Patrick’s Church’s perspective, I will withhold my judgment.

 

[Soutane]

Please see my previous post. The Catholic Church calls us to love the sinner, but not the sin. Just like Jesus did when He confronted the woman accused of adultery. He did not condemn her. But He also said, “Go and sin no more.” Likewise we are to care for those who are afflicted with homosexual desires. But we cannot condone homosexual behavior, just like we can’t condone any other type of sin. The problem with the Gay Men’s Chorus is that they are proud of the behavior that they have in common. Otherwise they would call their group by another name. They seek to have their behavior accepted by society and by the Church. Unfortunately there are too many people with misguided compassion who agree with gay activists who seek to make everyone accept that lifestyle at all costs. No, the Gay Men’s Chorus should not be permitted to perform in a Catholic setting.

Precisely