Michael Shiavo marries in Catholic Church

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Schiavo, Centonze Wed In Catholic Church
A day after they obtained a marriage license from the clerk of the circuit court of Pinellas County, Michael Schiavo and Jodi Centonze were wed in the Espiritu Santo Catholic Church in Safety Harbor in a private ceremony apparently known only to family, friends and the St. Petersburg Times.
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The church is part of the Diocese of St. Petersburg of which the Most Robert N. Lynch is bishop. Although Lynch was Terri’s bishop, he stood by silent while she was forcibly starved to death----after she struggled to declare that she wanted to live. Bishop Lynch issued a statement directly at odds with church teaching that food and water is basic sustenance and cannot be withheld by private choice.
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One wonders if Canon 1090 applies.
Can. 1090 §1. Anyone who with a view to entering marriage with a certain person has brought about the death of that person’s spouse or of one’s own spouse invalidly attempts this marriage.
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§2. Those who have brought about the death of a spouse by mutual physical or moral cooperation also invalidly attempt a marriage together.
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Michael Schiavo and his new “bride” having been living together in adultery for years while Terri lay comatose and he worked his backside off to have her killed. No way this new marriage is valid in the eyes of God. Of course the canon applies. I’m glad Lynch isn’t my Bishop. Thank God !!

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
 
Preemptive warning: Two threads on this topic have been closed because of the uncharitable tone of the posts, both towards Michael S. and various church and secular officials. While I abhor what happened as much as any of you, I am running out of patience, so, watch what you say. You have been warned. Thanks for your cooperation.

Walt
 
After everything else that has gone on with them, I am happy they were able to get married.
 
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Bella3502:
After everything else that has gone on with them, I am happy they were able to get married.
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Bella,

That’s exactly the question - were they actually married? It would seem that the impediments of crimen and a divorce-sans-dispensation (hers) would be impediments which prevent a sacramental marriage from occuring. It doesn’t speak well for the shepherds of their flock that this pastoral issue wouldn’t be resolved. Furthermore, this is scandalous to the religious and secular alike, so I’m not exactly sure what you’re happy about.

Perhaps you should read Jimmy Akin on the subject.

God Bless,
RyanL
 
Michael could make a confession and be totally in communion with our Lord and the church. We are never allowed to sit in judgement. I still have a hard time because of how I felt about Terri and her predicament. However, we have to let this go if we are Christians. Only God now will sit in judgement, for the church is made up of sinners that should be trying to become saints. The Bishop had no ability to stop this wedding. God may have very good reason to bring Michael and his family to church to begin anew. There are children in that marriage that deserve a new life too. Healing has to begin.
I just read Jimmy Akins article. I will say that I would be happier if the church did clarify publicly the reasons, for I do feel the Catholic church looks suspicious in this matter. However, I won’t be writing anyone about it. I will leave it up to God.
 
Fitz is so right. If we continue to judge and harbor negative feelings towards Michael Shiavo then we are not in the state of grace. We should not judge … only God knows the state of Michael’s soul.
 
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Bella3502:
After everything else that has gone on with them, I am happy they were able to get married.
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Geez, the moderator encourage charity but I didn’t think you need to go THIS far!

There is logic in what Jimmy Akin said. This scandalous union will only encourages spouse euthanasia in order to be free to marry. The Church need to speak up and clarify this! People don’t talk for nothing! I know we can’t judge but it’s very hard not to. That’s like asking us to be indifferent…after what happened to Terri!
 
if this couple is married in the Catholic Church we are required to make the most charitable possible assumptions: that they each have been to confession and been absolved of any mortal sin they are aware of and were in a state of grace, that the priest counselling them and preparing them for marriage took care of any pastoral concerns they were facing, and that the norms for valid Catholic marriage were followed. We are not free to judge, speculate or theorize in any way about the actions of the couple or the priest regarding this marriage which has been publicly witnessed as a valid sacrament of the Church.

if all the canon law and civil law requirements were met, the bishop has no right to deny the sacrament to any Catholic in good standing who requests it, so we are obliged to assume that this marriage is valid.
 
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if this couple is married in the Catholic Church we are required to make the most charitable possible assumptions: that they each have been to confession and been absolved of any mortal sin they are aware of and were in a state of grace, that the priest counselling them and preparing them for marriage took care of any pastoral concerns they were facing, and that the norms for valid Catholic marriage were followed. We are not free to judge, speculate or theorize in any way about the actions of the couple or the priest regarding this marriage which has been publicly witnessed as a valid sacrament of the Church.

if all the canon law and civil law requirements were met, the bishop has no right to deny the sacrament to any Catholic in good standing who requests it, so we are obliged to assume that this marriage is valid.
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After reading Jimmy Akin’s blog it seems to me to be more complicated than that. It look like the participants needed more than a confession. The “pastoral concerns” include a "dispensation from crimen" granted by the pope which seems highly unlikely. The more plausible explanation was the officiating priest made a mistake.
 
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asquared:
if this couple is married in the Catholic Church we are required to make the most charitable possible assumptions: that they each have been to confession and been absolved of any mortal sin they are aware of and were in a state of grace, that the priest counselling them and preparing them for marriage took care of any pastoral concerns they were facing, and that the norms for valid Catholic marriage were followed. We are not free to judge, speculate or theorize in any way about the actions of the couple or the priest regarding this marriage which has been publicly witnessed as a valid sacrament of the Church.
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Come on…you think priests always do what they’re supposed to. Shouldn’t we know that by now. Take for example pro-abort politicians taking communion. That was publicly witnessed. What do people think of that!

This union is not like any other union. The whole world knows what Michael did to Terri and the life he had while he was married. He incurs a canonical impediment known as crimen (1983 CIC 1090 § 1).

The question is has he gotten a dispensation to marry his mistress. For the good of the Church / people, we need to know if the Church has done what it’s supposed to do. It is scandalous as long as the Church doesn’t clarify it!
 
I had to look up the definition for “crimen” in old Webster and lo and behold - M. Schiavo’s behaviors repeatedly fit the word. For one, adultery. That one is for sure. The State of Florida’s justice system has proven to be pretty awful in many events. Transient residency in the state, plus an abundance of illegal immigrants and the large elderly population negatively affect the political arena . Please do not mistake my referring to the elderly as being derogatory, only that their ability to affect is diminished to a great degree.

The tragic story of what happened to Terri isn’t over for us! Justice was denied. I can hear “Screwtape” writing to “Wormwood” now telling him how to maneuver all the players and for the coup de’tat get the Catholic Church to confer the Sacrament of Marriage.

“Screwtape’s Happy Ending” is the title. .
 
I feel the same way most of you do. I remember last year and all the prayers we said and the then the tears because of Terri’s starvation and death. I remember Terry lying in her hospital bed starving to death and I remember seeing her picture posted. I remember JP 11’s death shortly after and then all of our tears again. My initial reaction at hearing that Michael and his wife were married in the Catholic Church was disbelief and then I became angry at the Church for allowing this.

HOWEVER, for our own souls, we cannot judge or have negative feelings towards Michael and his wife or the Church. If they did marry in the Church we must assume that they went to confession and that a sacrament took place. Believe me, I’m having an very hard time with this but I know that I must not harbor ill feelings towards anyone.
 
After the evil that befall Terri, Michael has the audacity to marry his mistress in the Catholic Church!! He sure has THICK skin indeed! I would think a TRULY repentant sinner would refrain from marrying his mistress and to live out his life in repentance…like fasting and in prayers for the evil that he’d done to terri. Not live happily ever after!

He should follow the example of St. Maria Goretti’s killer!
Then again… he probably has no remorse for what he’d done.
 
It seems to me that either Michael is seriously trying to get right with God and His Church (which is what we should desire), or he is greatly heaping more judgement upon himself (which I fear may be the case). After all, he who eats the bread and drinks the cup unworthily, eats and drinks destruction on himself, right? To whom much has been given, much will be expected. I hope he’s trying to bend his will to God and not trying to bend God’s will to his. If he abuses the Sacraments of Christ’s Church, it will be greatly detrimental to him *and * his wife in the end. Maybe invincible ignorance will save him? After all, I never heard of crimen and I am very involved in my faith. I assume that Mr. S never heard of it either, and I highly doubt that this particular priest informed him of it.

Let me say that I find this man and this whole situation highly repugnant, but I’m trying my best to be charitable and “love my enemy”. It sure is hard to try to do what Jesus asks of us sometimes. 😦
 
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legeorge:
Let me say that I find this man and this whole situation highly repugnant, but I’m trying my best to be charitable and “love my enemy”. It sure is hard to try to do what Jesus asks of us sometimes. 😦
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Yes, indeed it is hard. Perhaps we should start a thread just to offer up our prayers for Michael and his family.
 
Remember how disgusted some of us were last year when we decided we had to also pray for Michael? Well, could it be that God is answering our prayers in His own way and in His own time? None of us know the whole story. WE have to be glad that Michael’s children may now have a more normal life, with parents that are married and hopefully taking them to church. Terri is probably in heaven and we need to accept that the church is full of other sinners like ourselves.
 
Anyone interested in this case really needs to read Silent Witness by Mark Fuhrman.

I am worried for the safety of Michael’s new wife, and for his children as well. This man has a pattern of behavior that is very disturbing.
 
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Lorarose:
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I am worried for the safety of Michael’s new wife, and for his children as well. This man has a pattern of behavior that is very disturbing.
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Well if he could do it once who says he cant do it again? I sure as heck hope not but it is something for his new wife to think about:)
 
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Karin:
Well if he could do it once who says he cant do it again? I sure as heck hope not but it is something for his new wife to think about:)
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Ya probably worry for nothing. Maybe she has the same mindset as he. Why else did she marry him?!
 
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