Michele Bachmann's [former] Church Says the Pope Is the Antichrist

[estesbob]

Explicit for you; implicit for the previous poster I responded to. Are all of these points so evil? Examine the last one with regard to education, for example. And I suppose capitalism is completely moral and just, in your view, with no corporate exploitation of the working poor and middle class? We live in a different world today, in which terrorism is the main enemy, not the “Evil Empire” or the American Indians. The era of rigid ideologies has eroded, despite the attempts of the neo-Conservatives to revive the old World Order. Such hybrid systems as social capitalism are now on the table for discussion and implementation with nations such as China and Russia, which are part of our global economy, just as hybrid cars are becoming the wave of the future.

. Communism always looks good on paper… When one scratches the surface of the so called social capitalism you find the same brutal oppression and denial of basic civil rights you did under communism.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

. Communism always looks good on paper… When one scratches the surface of the so called social capitalism you find the same brutal oppression and denial of basic civil rights you did under communism.

Social or National Capitalism IS Communism.

 

[meltzerboy]

. Communism always looks good on paper… When one scratches the surface of the so called social capitalism you find the same brutal oppression and denial of basic civil rights you did under communism.

Probably so. Leaders and politicians have a way of transforming well-intentioned, philosophical ideals into social policies that deviate from or pervert their original intent. No doubt, communism has a dismal track record on this score. However, our own government is also not immune to implementing policies that reflect badly on our democratic ideals, and this behavior results, in large measure, from its caving in to the political demands of corporate business leaders and special interest groups, whose main concerns are monetary resources and power. Both congressional and presidential ties to such groups has become, over a long period of time, the standard way of doing business in a capitalist economy. Both political parties are implicated in this national scandal, although I believe Republicans are more entrenched.

 

[jen_fla]

I tried my best to keep silent about this but as a WELS member (as stated before) it is NOT openly taught. Does every single Catholic read ALL the Church’s teachings including the CCC and the statements of every pope? I am assuming no. In addition to this, the statement is made from a LUTHERAN theological standpoint which sees the pope as replacing Christ. Obviously they are mistaken but please try to see how it came about.

hi skigirl. i believe you that you didn’t know, but like i said before i do not believe the pastor had no idea that his church held those beliefs. they stand out like a sore thumb compared to other lutheran churches. i understand where this notion originated, but many lutheran churches believe that what luther taught was for his time in history and thus they do not believe the antiChrist issue applies today. most lutheran synods have on their web pages a section about what they believe and they are very similar to Catholicism. wels has an entire chapter entitled “antiChrist” so i just don’t buy the pastor was clueless. so that leads me to doubt michelle about what she said about her pastor. politicians lie all the time and maybe she honestly didn’t know as well, but most evangelical churches are antiCatholic. that is no secret. her faith does seem to be a priority in her life as she and her family were very involved. they didn’t just attend a service and leave. some people might say that all nonCatholic churches are antiCatholic, but i don’t agree to that. there are many that go about their business and don’t even mention the CC. sorry if i’m rambling or not being very clear, i am SO tired right now.

Also please remember what the CCC says about other Christian denominations:

i am aware. i have no problem with protestants, hindus, pagans, or muslims for that matter, but that doesn’t mean i have to accept or respect the teachings of any faith that go against the CC. some nonCatholic faiths are very reasonable and some are just outrageous. anyway, i wish nothing but peace for michelle, but i still will not vote for her. i would also not vote for say a scientologist even if they denied not knowing what hubbard and his crew taught. i brought up these points because they are newsworthy considering she is running for a very powerful position. we examined obama’s associations and it’s only fair that we take a look at michelle’s. my opinion that there is a good chance that she knew is just that my opinion. i base it not only on her membership, but from other news stories i have read. i appreciate your bringing your opinion and experiences to the table as well. and for the record (not that you brought it up), but i think obama is a horrible president. i only say that because it does seem that if you question conservatives, then you must be a commie.

It has been a belief passed down and unfortunately is probably not going away. But to think, I got the sense from your other posts, that belonging to this synod automatically makes a person anti-Catholic is not accurate. I love my Catholic friends and family members, I might not understand or agree with some of the Church’s beliefs, but I am not anti-Catholic. It really hurts when someone condemns the members of a faith community when most of us don’t know of the teaching.

i used to live in an area where on television you would hear pastors preach all about the evils of the CC …whore of babylon etc. i wondered what their faith had to teach other than attacking the CC. that really hurts. i saw fliers and other material go around in evangelical churches spreading nothing but lies and hate that the members took in. that really hurts. maybe your church did not do this and again i appreciate your sharing that, but the history of antiCatholicism in this country used to be very strong and still is very much so in certain parts of the country. i worked in an office once with Christians of many varied evangelical denominations. when they found out i was Catholic each and every last one of them slowly started in on trying to save me from such an evil empire. so in my experiences not all protestant churches believe this, but many evangelical ones do. that you for sharing that your experiences were not like that.

Hope this sounded charitable. Been a draining day visiting an uncle who has cancer (who just happens to be Catholic).

it did and i am really glad you spoke up. i am so sorry to hear about your uncle. i will say a prayer for you and your family. peace.

 

[He_Man]

Shouldn’t be an issue for voters. Obama was not responsible for Reverend Wright, despite listening to his sermons for years.

And most Catholics vote against the Church’s teachings anyway - I doubt they’ll care. How can you be defensive about the Church when you are barely part of it?

Or, they’ll use it to justify yet another vote for a pro-choice politician.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Shouldn’t be an issue for voters. Obama was not responsible for Reverend Wright, despite listening to his sermons for years.

And most Catholics vote against the Church’s teachings anyway - I doubt they’ll care. How can you be defensive about the Church when you are barely part of it?

Or, they’ll use it to justify yet another vote for a pro-choice politician.

Ya, its funny. The people making the biggest deal about an obscure doctrine of her former church making her unqualified for President are the same people who will vote for a pro-abortion Catholic politician without thinking twice about it.

 

[Arkadin]

Ya, its funny. The people making the biggest deal about an obscure doctrine of her former church making her unqualified for President are the same people who will vote for a pro-abortion Catholic politician without thinking twice about it.

You sure about this? Do you see who everyone votes for?

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

You sure about this? Do you see who everyone votes for?

No, but I can see everyone who posts here.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Ya, its funny. The people making the biggest deal about an obscure doctrine of her former church making her unqualified for President are the same people who will vote for a pro-abortion Catholic politician without thinking twice about it.

True--------very true. :thumbsup:

 

[human_being]

Well, I think this confirms my decision to leave Catholic Answers Forums for good. This thread is the proof that whatever a conservative does is acceptable, as long as they are a conservative, and that they don’t even deserve mild condemnation for it.

Please deactivate my account. I don’t think its possible to delete all my posts, but it would be nice if it was.

I’m really sorry to hear that Lujack…I really enjoyed being your friend on here…Cosent has been manufactured through propaganda all over this country and the whole world…and it’s a hard thing to break.