Mike Huckabee: Abortion Most Important Political Issue

[estesbob]

The problem here is not that Mr. Olszewski won’t address this question, it is that the bishops won’t. One thing to look for around November of this year is another missive from the USCCB on the rights and duties of voters similar to the Faithful Citizenship document they put out before the 2008 elections. If they put out another vague, interpret-this-however-you-want document then you can be sure that they have still not reached the point where they are willing to relinquish their other political goals merely to end abortion.

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Many of the bishops have addressed this issue clearly and concisely. Archbishop Chaput immediately comes to mind but in the 2008 elections 62 bishops stated there were not proportionate reasons that would allow a Catholic to vote for Barack Obama. Not one said there was.

The problem is not the vagueness of faithful citizenship-the problem is Catholics who put their politics before their faith. If, in the 2008 elections, Pope Benedict had said a Catholic could not in good conscience vote for Barack Obama we would have been inundated with assertions that he was talking about a different Obama than the one running for president .

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Many of the bishops have addressed this issue clearly and concisely. Archbishop Chaput immediately comes to mind but in the 2008 elections 62 bishops stated there were not proportionate reasons that would allow a Catholic to vote for Barack Obama. Not one said there was.

Don’t doubt the number you quoted, but that’s only 62 out of approximately 430 bishops and archbishops in the United States.

 

[estesbob]

Don’t doubt the number you quoted, but that’s only 62 out of approximately 430 bishops and archbishops in the United States.

What is 0/462? Thats the % of Bishops who said there were proportionate reasons that would allow for a Catholic to have voted for Obama. Now if you want to reject Church teaching that is your decision to make but please do not try and mislead fellow Catholics into beleiveing it is OK to do so.

 

[BlueSapphire]

You need a job, your home is up for sale if you can sell it, your child can’t get educated, healthcare is unaffordable, the unemployment queues are growing,crime will increase ( your home shall not be safe) the Celtic Tiger of Ireland is now a pussycat… worldly politicians play russian roulettee with our future and children get murdered…(abortion mills)
Has the penny dropped yet, God can be mocked for so long, and then…

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

What is 0/462? Thats the % of Bishops who said there were proportionate reasons that would allow for a Catholic to have voted for Obama. Now if you want to reject Church teaching that is your decision to make but please do not try and mislead fellow Catholics into beleiveing it is OK to do so.

If only 62 out of 430 made a positive statement against proportionate reasons, we can’t presume that all the rest agree just because none made a positive statement for proportionality.

I mislead no one. Readers, lurkers, etc. can draw their own conclusions. If you want to give your own reading of Church teaching, that is your decision.

 

[Ender]

What is 0/462? Thats the % of Bishops who said there were proportionate reasons that would allow for a Catholic to have voted for Obama. Now if you want to reject Church teaching that is your decision to make but please do not try and mislead fellow Catholics into beleiveing it is OK to do so.

No, if the bishops had wanted to be clear about this they could have done so. The Faithful Citizenship document was designed to be ambiguous and do just what it did: provide moral cover for those who wanted to support politicians despite their position on abortion. Remember what happened in Scranton where Bishop Martino had to interrupt a meeting being held to discuss what that document purportedly said. He made it clear that that pamphlet had no authority in his diocese but he had to take that step because he understood how it was being used. The fault lies with the bishops (other than Martino and a few others).

I was involved with adult education classes in my parish where we discussed what the document said and I know how it was received, how trivially easy it was to select sentences that permitted one to do as one pleased. What else could this claim possibly mean: “As Catholics we are not single-issue voters” other than “Don’t worry about your candidate’s position on abortion”?

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[Tigg]

No, if the bishops had wanted to be clear about this they could have done so. The Faithful Citizenship document was designed to be ambiguous and do just what it did: provide moral cover for those who wanted to support politicians despite their position on abortion. Remember what happened in Scranton where Bishop Martino had to interrupt a meeting being held to discuss what that document purportedly said. He made it clear that that pamphlet had no authority in his diocese but he had to take that step because he understood how it was being used. The fault lies with the bishops (other than Martino and a few others).

I was involved with adult education classes in my parish where we discussed what the document said and I know how it was received, **how trivially easy it was to select sentences that permitted one to do as one pleased. **What else could this claim possibly mean: “As Catholics we are not single-issue voters” other than “Don’t worry about your candidate’s position on abortion”?

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And why we absolutely must know in our heart of hearts what our 2,000 year heritage of TRUTH is saying and pray for discernment!

The USCCB doesn’t speak for me!"
~Scranton Bishop Joseph F. Martino!