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kat07 said:
The entire popular vote victory myth is an issue liberals who don’t want to follow the rules or who demand the rules change when they lose, so they can appear to win. It is a sign of an unhealthy need for control.
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kat07 said:
You do know in Cali there was no Republican candidate for Senate, right… because the voters passed an initiative where the two highest vote getters in the open primary faced each other in the general election.
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It’s called a non-partisan blanket primary or ‘jungle primary’. Washington State has it also. And many states, like in Texas and Louisiana, use it for special elections. It was put into effect in 2010 by Prop 14. Note in the voting map that nearly EVERY county voted in favor of it -oddly enough, not San Francisco, Orange, and Tulare Counties.

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kat07 said:
In Cali, the metro areas all lean strongly Democratic and Cali does not have more Republican voters than Democrats, 43.9% were registered Democrats in comparison to 28.9% Republicans and everywhere you go in the state, the Republicans aren’t all that conservative.
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I never said the metro areas don’t. Metro areas tend towards the Democrats all over the nation. I also never said Republican voters outnumber Democrats. I said that the amount of Republican voters in California is larger than the entire population of entire OTHER states. But why don’t you come up to my County - El Dorado. We can visit Tahoe. Go down to Placerville and get some ice cream at the location of Hangman’s Tree. Maybe even pan for some gold. We can go see Coloma, where the Gold Rush started. We could even swing by St. Patrick’s. It’s a beautiful little church with a huge carving of the Blessed Virgin made out of a fallen tree trunk, donated by my late 5th grade teacher. And then we’ll go to the monthly NRA rally, the Tea Party meetings (because that’s still a thing here, oddly enough), and the County Republican Party Office. Because this county is red through and through. This is Trump country - just ask the quarry guy that spray-painted TRUMP across this huge boulder right on Highway 49. I go into painful detail here, because you’re absolutely wrong that Republicans are liberal in this state. They’re so conservative they want to split the state into 2-5 smaller states and gerrymander the US Senate.
kat07 said:
And Cali is different, I think the Lord even knows that…
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You’re welcome to your opinion. But that’s all that it is. An opinion. California feeds the nation. Our economy is the backbone of our GDP. We have more farmers and tradesmen than any other state in the nation. So. How different is it?
 
kat07 said:
Again take away Cali, and Trump would have claim a 2+ mil cushion over Clinton in the popular vote, not to mention 306 electoral votes to 177 and the fact is that you can’t say that about any other single state.
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And again, so what? If we do any number of weird things, reality will change. Why should we ‘take away’ California for this little thought-experiment? Why are you saying I, and my fellows here, are second-class citizens? I was born here, my parents were born here. I’ve paid my taxes since I was 16 years old. Why should I be ‘taken away’ to soothe someone’s ego about losing the popular vote? I swear, George W. didn’t bellyache about losing the popular vote. And there were just as many people clambering about that being a problem then too. So much so that you’re recycling demonstratively false conspiracy theories, and, wanting to slough off the largest State in the Union so reality can fit your narrative. And you know what? You CAN’T just ‘take away’ California. Just as we can’t just ‘take away’ the Electoral College. He lost the popular vote. California played a part in that. So did numerous other states. get over it

And you act like ‘taking away’ California is this little insignificant thing. It isn’t. It’s eliminating the consideration of 1/10th our entire nation’s population. It’s discarding millions upon millions of people, who deserve every much to be a part of our Republic’s political process as the people in Ohio or West Virginia or whatever Rust Belt state you think “real America” is.
 
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sallybutler said:
I am pretty sure that there is at least one non-American person who was not supposed to vote but did.
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Which, to me, is 100% unacceptable. That was my whole point. Why someone felt the need to ramble on about assuming facts not in evidence is a mystery to me.
 
Thorolfr said:
Says who?
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Have you ever read the Constitution? It’s pretty clear what lands and what uses are allowed. Parks, forests, wetlands, animal refuges, etc., are not listed. If it’s not in the Constitution, that makes it what? Unconstitutional.
 
As far as getting over it it’s not me who needs to. It’s people who keep bemoaning the “myth” that Trump lost the popular vote. Reality is Trump campaigned to win the Electoral College because that’s how the law works, I know sadly for liberals. Even if we ignore the fact that the election was about the Electoral College and not about the popular vote we have no way of knowing if Hillary did win the popular vote. Similarly we have no way of knowing that Hillary would have won the popular vote if the voters, and Trump, had known that the winner would be decided by the popular vote. There are a number of specific reasons for that as well.

Secondly, you may want to go back and see why EXACTLY California was even brought up in the first place, it’s has nothing to do with what you are blustering on about, it was used as an example in response to a something very specific that was said and used a “hypothetical” example to show that when people are talking about the popular vote they are really talking about California, it’s margin of over three million votes alone accounts for any claim that Clinton exceeded Trump in popular support and that’s just a simple fact. Every state is allowed to be part of the election though their Electoral College.
 
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There’s so much in here I could respond to but it’s sadly not worth my time or interest and has been discussed in other threads. I’ll just say in response to the first thing you said yes the popular vote is something liberals bring up who don’t’ want to follow the rules, or who demand the rules change when they lose, so they can appear to win, that’s why Bush wasn’t “their” president. If roles were reversed liberals would be extolling the virtues of the Electoral College. The constant popular vote claim is liberals claim of victory that is driven by a lust for power, unhealthy control and immaturity.
 
kat07 said:
The constant popular vote claim is liberals claim of victory that is driven by a lust for power, unhealthy control and immaturity.
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Well, it isn’t only liberals. Your assumptions are mean spirited and ad hominem and can be ignored.

Your point about campaigning in certain states to affect turnout is only valid insomuch as what affects voter turnout. Voter turnout is highly affected by gender, socioeconomic status and race.

Your argument can be easily turned around on you using the pre election polls that show Trump losing, the total votes cast that show more people wanted his opponent to win, and the ongoing polls that show most people disapprove of his performance.

Trump is widely unpopular, like never before seen.
 
PaulinVA said:
Well, it isn’t only liberals. Your assumptions are mean spirited and ad hominem and can be ignored.
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Then why the need to even discuss it by liberals…No one is being mean, we are just expressing our thoughts, if we can’t do that without be called mean spirited then it’s like Antifa taking a brick and throwing it at you over the internet.
PaulinVA said:
Your argument can be easily turned around on you using the pre election polls that show Trump losing,
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As said above, we have no way of knowing who would have won the popular vote if the voters, had known that the winner would be decided by the popular vote.

The Presidential election isn’t suppose to be decided by two states (Cali/NY) or by big cities. Every person in every state would not have say.
 
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kat07 said:
As said above, we have no way of knowing who would have won the popular vote if the voters, had known that the winner would be decided by the popular vote
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I find this pretzel logic to be laughable. According to an Intercollegiate Studies Institute test, 43% of people tested didn’t know the Electoral College is used to elect the President. So, your hypotheses that people would vote differently if they knew the popular vote would elect the President is false. A large number of people don’t understand the Electoral College in the first place.

I’m curious why Trump supporters don’t just say, “Yeah, he lost the total vote count and is hugely unpopular, but he is the President. Deal with it” Why do you have to try to show he is popular and the total vote count doesn’t matter?
 
PaulinVA said:
I’m curious why Trump supporters don’t just say, “Yeah, he lost the total vote count and is hugely unpopular, but he is the President.
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Because he didn’t lose the total vote count. There was only one vote count. He won, 304-227.

Deal with it.
 
Again it’s every state has a say in the election. We vote for our President, Representatives and Senate to represent the people of our States. The popular vote may not represent every state. Again it’s not just about the number of people who vote for the President it’s about the States. The popular vote tells you how the large metro cities vote. My hypothesis that people not would but MAY vote differently is not false, it’s unknown. Fact.
 
Lemuel said:
Because he didn’t lose the total vote count. There was only one vote count. He won, 304-227.

Deal with it.
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If you need to believe that, go right ahead. I’ve acknowledged that he won the Electoral College vote. Why can’t you acknowledge that he is widely unpopular?
Lemuel said:
The FACT is that we don’t have a popular vote. The rules aren’t written that way. The term “popular vote” is just there to pacify those who got their butts kicked into thinking that they actually won.
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I never said that Trump lost. You are arguing against something I never said.

I said that most people who cast votes cast them for someone other than Trump. FACT!
 
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kat07 said:
Again it’s every state has a say in the election. We vote for our President, Representatives and Senate to represent the people of our States. The popular vote may not represent every state. Again it’s not just about the number of people who vote for the President it’s about the States. The popular vote tells you how the large metro cities vote. My hypothesis that people not would but MAY vote differently is not false, it’s unknown. Fact.
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The FACT is that we don’t have a popular vote. The rules aren’t written that way. The term “popular vote” is just there to pacify those who got their butts kicked into thinking that they actually won.
 
PaulinVA said:
If you need to believe that, go right ahead. I’ve acknowledged that he won the Electoral College vote. Why can’t you acknowledge that he is widely unpopular?
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I don’t know how unpopular he is and neither do you.
 
PaulinVA said:
“Yeah, he … is hugely unpopular
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From the liberal standpoint it probably seems so because he’s so intensely hated by them. It’s wishful thinking. But as different polls have shown, he’s no more or less popular/unpopular than many other presidents at various points in his term and theirs.
 
Well, I think there should be a brand new Sherman tank at every armory in all 57 states.
 
Polls can say whatever the pollsters want them to say. Unfortunately, you’re stuck with this unpopular president for another 5 1/2 years. So sorry.
 
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