Millennials and Gen Z

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I have the same experience. I was born near the beginning of the millennial generation, but I feel like I couldn’t be more different from my peers…
 
ProdglArchitect said:
I have the same experience. I was born near the beginning of the millennial generation, but I feel like I couldn’t be more different from my peers…
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1986 🙌 high fives you incase that’s you too.

I don’t feel so different from my fellow 80’s babies, but some of them actually remember the 80s and get to call themselves Gen-Xers. Lucky!
 
DisorientingSneeze said:
1986 🙌 high fives you incase that’s you too.

I don’t feel so different from my fellow 80’s babies, but some of them actually remember the 80s and get to call themselves Gen-Xers. Lucky!
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'87 here.

I don’t remember the eighties, apart from a few specific events. One was opening Mario 3 on Christmas morning. I tihnk that was '90 or '91 though. That pretty much fixed me as a gamer for the rest of my life XD
 
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How is my dislike of a modernist expression of the New Mass contempt for the religion itself?
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What you call “modernist expression of the New Mass” has been articulated by yourself as receiving Communion in the hand and having EMHC’s. Most people just call that Mass. The OF Mass is part of the Catholic religion, a large part of its expression, and your contempt of it is apparent.
 
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It´s completely wrong to go with the way of thinking that we need modernism to have the Church fit in with young people. We should not even think like that. We have to fit within the Church, not the Church within our minds and thoughts.
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The Church was made for us. We were not made for the Church. I hope you realize that. What do you think it means that the Church is a hospital for the sick, not a museum for antiquity?
 
I attend OF regularly. I have no problem with the OF when it is done reverently, with an understanding that Christ is truly present on the altar. Using EMHCs out of convenience is an abuse of the role’s purpose. Priests have their hands consecrated for a reason, they’re the only ones who should be handling the Eucharist. You do realize there is a long tradition of liturgical theology that predates the OF right?
 
Yes, but the Church teachings shall not change based on how people approach it.
I´m basically saying that we need the Church to stay conservative in teachings and doctrine no matter what people think about it.
 
Agreed! That´s one of the reasons why I try to get in the line where the priest is giving out Communion to people.
 
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OnAJourney said:
I personally think that there needs to be more of an emphasis on tradition. I really really dislike modernism or when parishes attempt to go down the whole hip modern appeal. I think more people in my position feel like the Church has slackened on tradition and formality
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Thank you! I’ve been saying that since I was your age!

I’m a Gen Xer and all I can remember growing up was the Baby Boomers, and to a lesser extent: the WWII generation speaking ill of the “old mass” or monikers to that effect. My own mother is still enamored of the so-called folk masses. I teach school and have noticed that the younger generations seem more astute about being pandered to than mine seemed to have been, but the emphasis is in the sentence to show that those are only my observations.

I suppose someone could still have a logical argument by saying that we always tend to want what we don’t have, but the question of why we can’t have both would still remain. Maybe the Pope could answer that; I’d be interested in hearing how the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate would receive his answer. I’ll leave it at that so I don’t get banned.
 
I mean I’m not saying we have to revert everything to pre-V2 because obviously that would create way too many problems than it solves. But it wouldn’t hurt if more parishes treated mass and liturgy with more formality
 
OnAJourney said:
I was born toward the end of millennial generation and I’ve often thought about my generation’s lack of interest in Church. What exactly do you think would bring young people into the Church on Sunday and get them involved in things going on at the parish level?
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I suppose a big hurdle isn’t just the style of worship as some have alluded but relevance. Why should they want to seek out what the Church offers? Why should it be important? I think some refer to it as religious indifference.
 
Goodness gracious sakes alive! What sorts of irreverent watered-down modernism are you people experiencing?! You act as if there is a pandemic of liturgical abuses, a tsunami of rogue parishes washing over the foundations of the Church, as if the Novus Ordo Mass is a free-for-all of hipster reorientation. You use words like “reverent NO” as if it’s assumed that the Ordinary Form is otherwise inherently prone to disorder.

Where? Where are you seeing these things? On the Internet? On a viral Facebook post? Fuzzy YouTube of dubious provenance?

I’ve been in a whole lot of different R Catholic parishes over the past 52 years of my life and I’ve never been exposed to these impious machinations that are breaking out like scabies boils.
 
And a Millennial doesn’t want tradition. A Millennial wants whatever it is he doesn’t have at the moment.
Most of all, a Millennial doesn’t want anyone to tell him what to do. So, good luck with a return to heavy handed Catholicism.
 
Millennials also don’t want to be spoon fed. I have a good few millennial peers in my life and they’re not interested in modernism. I’ve looked at polling data as well. The data points in the direction of people wanting a return to tradition in certain regards. You don’t have to be heavy handed to have tradition, that’s very much a false dichotomy.

The fact that you don’t see parishes enacting poor practices doesn’t mean that it’s not happening. I had a friend of mine at another parish tell me that they were watering down the message of the liturgy and at one point had bongos and a guitar used for the music at the regular OF mass. Not a modern mass that is geared more towards the youth, the standard OF mass with traditional elements.

The fact that my friend’s parish was using bongo drums and a guitar for regular masses would appear to suggest someone tried pushing a hipster vibe on to the mass, to the point that people were leaving the parish because it was awful, including loads of young parishioners that around my age.
 
Pretending that there’s not a problem isn’t the same as there being no problem at all. Some parishes are in fact watering down certain elements of the liturgy for the purposes of modernity and attracting young people. Even though we have polling data which shows that millennials like myself don’t want that.
 
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Because there’s nothing unique. It’s jist more of the same of what I can get at a Protestant church or even a secular club. Nothing of unique Catholic substance to latch onto.
 
I’m Generation Z and from what I’ve heard and seen a lot of people between the ages of 12-19 in Gen Z think that there’s too much tradition and they want the church to evolve with the modern times 21st century.
 
Lucky you. I grew up in a parish with the most irreverent Mass I have ever attended. It wasn’t until I moved out of my home town that I started finding OF Masses that were decent. I was really close to attending a Byzantine Parish when a friend of mine suggested we try the local FSSP Parish. I now only attend the OF if I have no other choice and I am very selective about which parish. And because it pertains to the topic, I was born in ‘88. Love me some tradition. Hate me some sensationalism. And to be clear, I do believe the OF is inherently prone to disorder.
 
I think worrying about whether the liturgies are too traditional or not traditional enough is not addressing the root problem - do they care about the “final things” and where they will spend eternity? Do they believe in an afterlife? Do they want to go to heaven?
 
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