Mind is anomalous therefore it cannot be created

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Will is one of faculty of mind. Will is ability to decide irrespective of circumstances. This means that decision cannot be known before the act of decision. This means that one cannot find a theory which explain will since a theory by definition gives the outcome a situation given circumstances (this is what I mean with “mind is anomalous”). This include all theories and even exhaust God’s knowledge. Knowledge however is need for any act, in God case act of creation. Therefore mind cannot be created.
 
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Will is one of faculty of mind. Will is ability to decide irrespective of circumstances. This means that decision cannot be known before the act of decision. This means that one cannot find a theory which explain will since a theory by definition gives the outcome a situation given circumstances (this is what I mean with “mind is anomalous”). This include all theories and even exhaust God’s knowledge. Knowledge however is need for any act, in God case act of creation. Therefore mind cannot be created.
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The highlighted phrase shows that your idea of God is not at all the Catholic idea of God so it would be pointless to engage in this discussion.
 
STT said:
Will is one of faculty of mind. Will is ability to decide irrespective of circumstances. This means that decision cannot be known before the act of decision. This means that one cannot find a theory which explain will since a theory by definition gives the outcome a situation given circumstances (this is what I mean with “mind is anomalous”). This include all theories and even exhaust God’s knowledge. Knowledge however is need for any act, in God case act of creation. Therefore mind cannot be created.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Circular thinking as usual.
 
STT said:
Will is one of faculty of mind. Will is ability to decide irrespective of circumstances. This means that decision cannot be known before the act of decision. This means that one cannot find a theory which explain will since a theory by definition gives the outcome a situation given circumstances (this is what I mean with “mind is anomalous”). This include all theories and even exhaust God’s knowledge. Knowledge however is need for any act, in God case act of creation. Therefore mind cannot be created.
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That is such a different set of ideas that what we read in St. Thomas Aquinas, who gave precise meanings for intellect,will, and reason. The human soul there is very different from our modern concept of the mind, but close to that in psychoanalysis, as described by Freud.

Aquinas: newadvent.org/summa/1075.htm#article5

I answer that, The soul has no matter. We may consider this question in two ways.

First, from the notion of a soul in general; for it belongs to the notion of a soul to be the form of a body.
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Secondly, we may proceed from the specific notion of the human soul inasmuch as it is intellectual.

Aquinas: newadvent.org/summa/1082.htm#article4

Intellect can move the will in one sense, and the will can move the intellect in another sense.

But what precedes absolutely and in the order of nature is more perfect: for thus act precedes potentiality. And in this way the intellect precedes the will, as the motive power precedes the thing movable, and as the active precedes the passive; for good which is understood moves the will.
 
seagal said:
The highlighted phrase shows that your idea of God is not at all the Catholic idea of God so it would be pointless to engage in this discussion.
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So God has a theory which can tell what would be your decision only by given circumstances (lets put God’s foreknowledge aside since it is not applicable to our discussion)?
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. Circular thinking as usual.
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What I am saying is simple: Mind is anomalous (anomalous means that it does not exist a theory which can predict your decision) since you have free will. Knowledge is required for the act of creation but it does not exist any theory which can describe mind therefore God cannot create mind.
 
Vico said:
That is such a different set of ideas that what we read in St. Thomas Aquinas, who gave precise meanings for intellect,will, and reason. The human soul there is very different from our modern concept of the mind, but close to that in psychoanalysis, as described by Freud.

Aquinas: newadvent.org/summa/1075.htm#article5

I answer that, The soul has no matter. We may consider this question in two ways.

First, from the notion of a soul in general; for it belongs to the notion of a soul to be the form of a body.
…
Secondly, we may proceed from the specific notion of the human soul inasmuch as it is intellectual.

Aquinas: newadvent.org/summa/1082.htm#article4

Intellect can move the will in one sense, and the will can move the intellect in another sense.

But what precedes absolutely and in the order of nature is more perfect: for thus act precedes potentiality. And in this way the intellect precedes the will, as the motive power precedes the thing movable, and as the active precedes the passive; for good which is understood moves the will.
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You didn’t define will.
 
God doesn’t deal in Theories, humans do. God doesn’t get exhausted ever. Period!
 
STT said:
So God has a theory which can tell what would be your decision only by given circumstances (lets put God’s foreknowledge aside since it is not applicable to our discussion)?
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If theory is defined as: a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained,

Why does God need one?
 
I will define Will for you - it is NOT an ability to decide.

Will is the power choreographing and moving the person’s actual Purposeful Movement toward what is known in the reason to be the apprehension of contentment.

If you have an imagination of yourself being content eating a bowl of ice cream, when you find yourself walking to the store to buy ice cream, you are seeing the effects of your will moving your feet in a specific intelligent direction, and you are seeing the effects of your will when you find yourself paying for it, deliberately carrying it home quickly before it melts, and seeing the effects of your will when you find yourself saying, “Mmmmm…”

Your will is what “loves” (“makes” or “moves”) the apprehension of “you in contentment” into a actual contentment of your whole person.

Your will’s actuality is evidenced by us in why we see you where we see you when we see you doing your doings in the manner you are doing them. Without your will, your body would not move, would not be animate,

The will is in the soul, not the body, but it is the power evidenced in the actual living and intelligent moving of the body.
 
STT said:
This means that decision cannot be known before the act of decision.
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Do you think God knew when Jesus would be born? Do you think He knows when the end of the world will be?
 
davidv said:
If theory is defined as: a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained,
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Yes. That is a good definition. Considering the fact that the only way to explain something could be through stimulating and observing its behavior then a theory by definition gives the outcome a situation given circumstances.
davidv said:
Why does God need one?
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Theory is system of ideas which explain things. Knowledge to me is a large set of theories and needed for any act.
 
John_Martin said:
I will define Will for you - it is NOT an ability to decide.

Will is the power choreographing and moving the person’s actual Purposeful Movement toward what is known in the reason to be the apprehension of contentment.

If you have an imagination of yourself being content eating a bowl of ice cream, when you find yourself walking to the store to buy ice cream, you are seeing the effects of your will moving your feet in a specific intelligent direction, and you are seeing the effects of your will when you find yourself paying for it, deliberately carrying it home quickly before it melts, and seeing the effects of your will when you find yourself saying, “Mmmmm…”

Your will is what “loves” (“makes” or “moves”) the apprehension of “you in contentment” into a actual contentment of your whole person.

Your will’s actuality is evidenced by us in why we see you where we see you when we see you doing your doings in the manner you are doing them. Without your will, your body would not move, would not be animate,

The will is in the soul, not the body, but it is the power evidenced in the actual living and intelligent moving of the body.
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I understand what do trying to say. But could we please stick to that word and definition to check the rest of argument. I know that there should be a better word for “ability to decide in given circumstances” but I don’t know it.
 
reggieM said:
Do you think God knew when Jesus would be born? Do you think He knows when the end of the world will be?
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We are talking about another thing here. God knows many things including those in His foreknowledge but we are looking for a piece of knowledge, a theory, which one can predict the decision of a person base upon it. Does such theory exist at all?
 
STT said:
We are talking about another thing here. God knows many things including those in His foreknowledge but we are looking for a piece of knowledge, a theory, which one can predict the decision of a person base upon it. Does such theory exist at all?
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God knows many things including His foreknowledge.
Now you would want to know if God could predict the decision of a person?
Or are you saying that we cannot predict the decision of a person?
 
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