Minn. health care exchange's rates lowest so far

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For the heck of it… I tried to get coverage to see what the cost would be… well over $500 ( Like $515 to $579 )… that is NOT cheaper. ( California )
Cheaper than what? What age group are you in? Do you have pre-existing conditions? I based my comparison against the state’s CHIPS program, but as I said before actuaries don’t have any historical data to establish the “right” level of premiums yet.
They really need to defund this… the sooner the better.
Then they may raise premiums even more, if the state regulators feel the insurance companies don’t have enough reserves to pay their claims.
 
I also got a quote from the California website speculating about my income and I also had a quote for over $500. This is what it would be now without my preexisting conditions on the so-called open market here. This very likely what it will be in the long run, or perhaps it will be even higher!
Think about it. If you’re an actuary at an insurance company and you need to quote someone based on information you can’t possibly know and have to predict, do you:

a) predict a best case scenario, low ball them a number, and risk getting a horrible reputation and having them incensed if the number is wrong on the low end, OR

b) predict a worst case scenario, high ball them a number, and get to see them excited when their number winds up way lower.

I think it’s just good business to do B, and it also makes even more sense because you cover yourself from insuring people at too low of rates. I have no doubt these doomsday rate quotes are horribly inflated.
 
Think about it. If you’re an actuary at an insurance company and you need to quote someone based on information you can’t possibly know and have to predict, do you:

a) predict a best case scenario, low ball them a number, and risk getting a horrible reputation and having them incensed if the number is wrong on the low end, OR

b) predict a worst case scenario, high ball them a number, and get to see them excited when their number winds up way lower.

I think it’s just good business to do B, and it also makes even more sense because you cover yourself from insuring people at too low of rates. I have no doubt these doomsday rate quotes are horribly inflated.
I doubt they’re inflated. After all, we have seen the estimates do nothing but climb since Obamacare was passed. The actuaries I have seen expressing opinions are not insurance company people. One of the most depressing actuarial predictions is from the chief actuary for Medicare, who says that due to Obamacare, Medicare will soon pay less than Medicaid.
 
Think about it. If you’re an actuary at an insurance company and you need to quote someone based on information you can’t possibly know and have to predict, do you:
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That’s exactly what the Obama did when he predicted health insurance would be cheaper under his plan.

Where are the millions of new insurance customers that were predicted when the pre-existing condition laws came to pass.

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About $5 billion had been appropriated to provide special state-based insurance pools under the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan, or PCIP, so that certain chronically ill individuals could have the temporary option of buying insurance until major ACA expansion provisions took effect at the start of 2014. It was designed to cover people whose medical conditions rendered them incapable of obtaining traditional insurance coverage. The program’s sign-up process was suspended in February, however, when the Dept. of Health and Human Services announced that it no longer had funds to accept new enrollees.
Those already signed up remain in the special coverage pools. “This suspension will help ensure that funds are available through 2013 to continuously cover people currently enrolled in PCIP,” HHS stated on its HealthCare.gov website.
The program’s funds originally were expected to dry up even earlier, the administration said, as it never was intended to provide ongoing coverage. In 2010, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services’ Office of the Actuary estimated that 375,000 people would enroll and that the program would use up its initial funds by 2012. “The actual experience in the program has seen fewer but much more expensive enrollees, underscoring the challenges associated with insuring people with preexisting conditions through high-risk pools,” CMS stated in a January report.
Only 110,000 people have received coverage under the PCIP program, Rep. Joe Pitts (R, Pa.), the health subcommittee’s chair, noted in his opening statement.
PCIP has been fraught with problems, Pitts said, including when CMS reduced payments in summer 2012 to health care professionals who were treating a high number of PCIP enrollees. CMS also cut the number of participating pharmacies that provided certain kinds or medications to these individuals. At the beginning of 2013, it increased maximum out-of-pocket costs for enrollees, he added.
 
One of the most depressing actuarial predictions is from the chief actuary for Medicare, who says that due to Obamacare, Medicare will soon pay less than Medicaid.
That’s believable as Medicare is being kicked around more and more as a political football these days.
 
Think about it. If you’re an actuary at an insurance company and you need to quote someone based on information you can’t possibly know and have to predict, do you:

a) predict a best case scenario, low ball them a number, and risk getting a horrible reputation and having them incensed if the number is wrong on the low end, OR

b) predict a worst case scenario, high ball them a number, and get to see them excited when their number winds up way lower.

I think it’s just good business to do B, and it also makes even more sense because you cover yourself from insuring people at too low of rates. I have no doubt these doomsday rate quotes are horribly inflated.
I doubt they are inflated. First the premium quoted, roughly $450 a month, is standard price now for someone without preexisting conditions, and represents a premium drop for me because I do have the preexisting conditions. Second, the premium quote represents something the insurance company is going to sell starting in two weeks so they shouldn’t be high balling it unless they don’t actually want to sell health insurance policies.
 
I doubt they are inflated. First the premium quoted, roughly $450 a month, is standard price now for someone without preexisting conditions, and represents a premium drop for me because I do have the preexisting conditions. Second, the premium quote represents something the insurance company is going to sell starting in two weeks so they shouldn’t be high balling it unless they don’t actually want to sell health insurance policies.
I think some of this premium may be refunded if 85% of the expenditures aren’t health related. I know it’s true of employer-based health insurance.
 
I doubt they are inflated. First the premium quoted, roughly $450 a month, is standard price now for someone without preexisting conditions, and represents a premium drop for me because I do have the preexisting conditions. Second, the premium quote represents something the insurance company is going to sell starting in two weeks so they shouldn’t be high balling it unless they don’t actually want to sell health insurance policies.
I think some of this premium may be refunded if less than 85% is spent on the insurance company’s health related claims, or something like that. I know it’s true of employer-based health insurance.
 
More $$$ then we are paying now… I just got the quote to see what it would say my premiums would be… I didn’t put in any pre existing conditions… and this quote was just for me… not my wife. Thankfully I/we already have insurance.
Cheaper than what? What age group are you in? Do you have pre-existing conditions? I based my comparison against the state’s CHIPS program, but as I said before actuaries don’t have any historical data to establish the “right” level of premiums yet.

Then they may raise premiums even more, if the state regulators feel the insurance companies don’t have enough reserves to pay their claims.
 
obamacare is nothing more than an attempt by government to get a hold on our medical system and eventually socialise it completely. After total socialisation of American society the progressives will force cummunism (a form of totalitarianism) on our once great nation.

Those claiming to be Catholic who support obama and the rest of the progressives would do well to remember that the Church has over and over again declared socialism and communism to be part of the modernist heresy and therefore cannot be embraced by true Catholics.

If you don’t believe the teachings of the Church to be applicable to all aspects of your life, including political, please don’t call yourself Catholic.

KNK
 
obamacare is nothing more than an attempt by government to get a hold on our medical system and eventually socialise it completely. After total socialisation of American society the progressives will force cummunism (a form of totalitarianism) on our once great nation.

Those claiming to be Catholic who support obama and the rest of the progressives would do well to remember that the Church has over and over again declared socialism and communism to be part of the modernist heresy and therefore cannot be embraced by true Catholics.

If you don’t believe the teachings of the Church to be applicable to all aspects of your life, including political, please don’t call yourself Catholic.

KNK
I have lived in multiple countries which have had socialized medicine for many years (a very good concept I might add, since most causes of illness are related to the environment we live in) and none of them are communist. I’m not really sure how you got those ideas, but please investigate claims before repeating them.
 
Then they may raise premiums even more, if the state regulators feel the insurance companies don’t have enough reserves to pay their claims.
For every requirement to increase reserves there should be an equal reduction in the number of mandates. Should women who purchase insurance really be required to pay for coverage of prostate screenings? Should unmarried people be required to purchase infertility coverage?

Part of the cost increases is the aggregate of the cost increases of each of these individual mandates. And that’s just on the insurance side. There’s also mandates on the provider side as well (such as Washington forcing hospitals to provide abortion services if they already provide maternity services).

The biggest cause of rising costs (and by extension, premiums) is the government.
 
The biggest cause of rising costs (and by extension, premiums) is the government.
After today’s Fed announcement, I fully expect costs to rise. And if the Senate confirms Yellen, there will be no stop to the rise. And they’ll continue to hide these rising costs from the CPI.
 
obamacare is nothing more than an attempt by government to get a hold on our medical system and eventually socialise it completely. After total socialisation of American society the progressives will force cummunism (a form of totalitarianism) on our once great nation.

Those claiming to be Catholic who support obama and the rest of the progressives would do well to remember that the Church has over and over again declared socialism and communism to be part of the modernist heresy and therefore cannot be embraced by true Catholics.

If you don’t believe the teachings of the Church to be applicable to all aspects of your life, including political, please don’t call yourself Catholic.

KNK
Agreed 👍
 
I have lived in multiple countries which have had socialized medicine for many years (a very good concept I might add, since most causes of illness are related to the environment we live in) and none of them are communist. I’m not really sure how you got those ideas, but please investigate claims before repeating them.
If you lived in such countries then you also know they provided abortion on deamand, fully supported the perversion of homosexuality, and probably had an age of consent around twelve years of age. They also probably had legal prostitution and legalized drug use and promoted the drug use through providing free needles and protected areas in which to do the drugs. All of which are against the teachings of the Church. If you thought these countries were so wonderful I don’t know why you consider yourself Catholic.

And it still remains that said countries were socialist, if not communist, and socialism is still part of the modernist heresy and therefore condemned by the Church.

KNK
 
most causes of illness are related to the environment we live in)
That would be true in the broadest sense, since bacteria and viruses are also part of the “environment we live in”. But it would not be true relative to that which most people consider part of the “environment”, e.g. allergens, airborne and waterborne toxins. When it comes to diseases, far and away most are caused by microorganisms.
 
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