Minnesota school shooting gunman kills 2 children, injures 17 others during Catholic mass

[HomeschoolDad]

Why not have an open conversation with both about both cases? The man falling to the trick of a women that got pregnant to trap him is most probably the man that was playing a game to get sexual favors. Relationships tend to be two sided. Note that I am talking about adults here. Young adults, that is a whole other ball game. They are learning and falling as they go.
The problem is a lot of people, especially when young, can not see beyond their wants or anxieties, and they do not even realize they are being manipulative.
I hope it all goes well with your kids, but be aware that you can not anticipate all for them. The landscape changes, faster today than when you were young. Eventually they will be alone, with an unexpected situation and will have to use discernment. It makes more sense to focus on risk control, on having resources to fall back in crisis moments. And hope for damage control, that when they fall, the consequences will not be that enough for them to bear.
Btw- I can't stand "Sex and the City" - a callous show. My friends and I had way more meaningful lives while we navigated our studies- still- a few of them opted for being single mothers (with the support of their families), after giving up on men that would treat ment properly. It is not easy for educated women. It comes at you from all sides.

I don't like the show either, it glorifies sexual immorality (while at the same time perhaps demonstrating the futility of it, even if not intending to do so). I've seen it, maybe once, not my cup of tea, and it is indecent. An hour of my life I'll never get back.

"With both about both cases"? I only have the one son, I do not have a daughter. As to who falls prey to who's tricks, again, the best thing to do, is to commit to chastity. Flee premarital sex as the mortal sin that it is. Even on a purely natural level, you can't suffer the bad consequences of premarital sex if you never engage in it in the first place. You might lose that boyfriend/girlfriend who expects it, but better that, than to commit even one sin, even a venial one. People committed to chastity need to seek out each other, and not court danger. And that holds true for any age.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

People have been having sex, for the sole purpose of pleasure with hoping that it would not result in a pregnancy, and all that goes with that, for probably as long as there have been people. In times past, many (probably most) couples, if the woman fell pregnant, went ahead and got married (not to mention that this was the ideal way for a woman who desired a certain man to be able to "snag" him) if for no other reason than social pressure, no woman could face the larger society "with child" and no husband/father, think Hester Prynne and The Scarlet Letter, indeed, this was Our Lady's dilemma, though her pregnancy was without moral fault (to say the least). People sought out all sorts of potions and such, and sought to end these pregnancies by primitive means if it came to that. Only in the past century or so have means been created to make pregnancy prevention a highly efficient, easily-used solution, and there is also equally efficient surgical and pharmaceutical abortion if the contraception fails. (To her credit, perhaps, Margaret Sanger abhorred abortion and saw it as a tragic admission that the contraceptive failed.)

Just to erase any doubt, my comments about using pregnancy to "snag" a man were not intended to describe all women in that situation. Many such women, desirous of a certain man, would not resort to such treachery, they could find far better means and would no doubt do so, or else just accept that he's not going to marry her. "...a badly-acting woman who is willing to resort to such measures..." might have been a better way to put it, that's what I meant.

I don't think my comments, as written, implied anything other than that, and I am laying the matter to rest at this point.

 

[Nanny1935]

I don't like the show either, it glorifies sexual immorality (while at the same time perhaps demonstrating the futility of it, even if not intending to do so). I've seen it, maybe once, not my cup of tea, and it is indecent. An hour of my life I'll never get back.

"With both about both cases"? I only have the one son, I do not have a daughter. As to who falls prey to who's tricks, again, the best thing to do, is to commit to chastity. Flee premarital sex as the mortal sin that it is. Even on a purely natural level, you can't suffer the bad consequences of premarital sex if you never engage in it in the first place. You might lose that boyfriend/girlfriend who expects it, but better that, than to commit even one sin, even a venial one. People committed to chastity need to seek out each other, and not court danger. And that holds true for any age.

Ok daughter was hypothetical- well there we go - this is humorous: who knows how your confidence would have been shattered a thousand times with an adorable member of the fair sex retorting to you...if she was a strong willed as you, she would have taken you for a ride.

Life is so complicated- as I said, you try to escape one sin and do well and you fall into another. Note that lust is a mortal sin- and that can happen when people are married. Pride is a mortal sin as well: get too happy about the sin you are avoiding, and you may fall into that.
I am giving no moral advise, I should not attempt- I see myself as constantly failing and attempting to do better- but from that I do give the advise of humility and compassion- I try my best.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

As with the "Mother of God" thread, I think this thread has run its course, and several good, thoughtful contributors have covered the topic amply. There's really not a whole lot more that can be said, and --- this is pretty much on me --- the thread has also diverged widely from the original post. I really need to do a better job of directing that going forward, and of splitting good discussions out into threads of their own. Unlike moderators on many fora, I don't mind a certain amount of "thread drift", and I do not believe in policing people for going "off-topic" (on some fora, whether Catholic or secular, some people will raise Cain over that happening), but sometimes a topic takes on a life of its own, and deserves to be continued in its own new thread.

I welcome everyone's good contributions, it makes for a better forum. Please help in enriching (and growing!) this forum by starting threads of your own, on any topic germane to the purposes of CQ.