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A_Dancer_Whirls
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If anything it is a case of sever indoctrination.
Miracle of the Holy Quran: 3 Years Old boy recites Holy Quran:طفل عمره 3 سنوات آية من آيات الله
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Eucharisted
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From the autobiography of Saint Anthony Mary Claret, we learn that young children were taught the catechism. This is impressive. But, like the memorization of all books (Qu’ran included), it is not a miracle.
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hamba2han
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If that 3-year old boy was a Catholic, he would already have qualified to be beatified as a Saint on account of his miracle of memorising and reciting a scriptural text at such an extremely young age.
Many Saints have been beatified for performing far lesser miracles.
Many Saints have been beatified for performing far lesser miracles.
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Eucharisted
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You don’t know Catholicism, and you’re just trying to cause trouble. Quit trolling CAF. You have been reported.
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Hadi
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The boy, in one of his video, recited Chapter Maryam from verse 18 to 40 which has over 263 words. that’s very impressive from a 3 year old.
while some people don’t consider it miraculous, it sure proves that the Quran can easily be memorized and preserved in the heart by simply listening to it repeatedly. it has something to due with the language itself.
I’ve seen a 5 and 6 year old reciting the Quran and giving a public sermon, but that’s the first time I see a 3 years old… that’s just an embarrassment to many adult muslims.
while some people don’t consider it miraculous, it sure proves that the Quran can easily be memorized and preserved in the heart by simply listening to it repeatedly. it has something to due with the language itself.
I’ve seen a 5 and 6 year old reciting the Quran and giving a public sermon, but that’s the first time I see a 3 years old… that’s just an embarrassment to many adult muslims.
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Larryx
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According to his mother, Farah started reciting the verses of Holy Quran, all of a sudden on Friday 11th od Sept. 2009 for the first time and she was surprised to hear Holy Quranic verses from of his mouth. She praised God Almighty. He first started reciting Suratul-Mulk then Suratul-Kahf.
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Larryx
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It is certainly UNUSUAL, STRANGE and UNIQUE that :
طفل المعجزة عبد الرحمن فارح مع رئيس الجمهورية من المسجد الكبير في ليلة السابع و العشرين من رمضان ، ليلة إحياء ليلة القدر
الطفل المعجزة عبد الرحمن فارح مع رئيس الجمهورية
youtube.com/watch?v=wougcakutiI
طفل المعجزة عبد الرحمن فارح مع رئيس الجمهورية من المسجد الكبير في ليلة السابع و العشرين من رمضان ، ليلة إحياء ليلة القدر
الطفل المعجزة عبد الرحمن فارح مع رئيس الجمهورية
youtube.com/watch?v=wougcakutiI
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Larryx
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It would be interesting to know that Avicenna ( Ibn Sina ) knew the Holy Quran by heart at the age of ten:
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(ABN ALI AL HOSAIN IBN ABDALLAH IBN SINA, called by the Latins AVICENNA).
Arabian physician and philosopher, born at Kharmaithen, in the province of Bokhara, 980; died at Hamadan, in Northern Persia, 1037. Avicenna was actually Persian, not Arabian
From the autobiographical sketch which has come down to us we learn that he was a very precocious youth; at the age of ten he knew the Koran by heart; before he was sixteen he had mastered what was to be learned of physics, mathematics, logic, and metaphysics; at the age of sixteen he began the study and practice of medicine; and before he had completed his twenty-first year he wrote his famous “Canon” of medical science, which for several centuries, after his time, remained the principal authority in medical schools both in Europe and in Asia.
newadvent.org/cathen/02157a.htm**
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(ABN ALI AL HOSAIN IBN ABDALLAH IBN SINA, called by the Latins AVICENNA).
Arabian physician and philosopher, born at Kharmaithen, in the province of Bokhara, 980; died at Hamadan, in Northern Persia, 1037. Avicenna was actually Persian, not Arabian
From the autobiographical sketch which has come down to us we learn that he was a very precocious youth; at the age of ten he knew the Koran by heart; before he was sixteen he had mastered what was to be learned of physics, mathematics, logic, and metaphysics; at the age of sixteen he began the study and practice of medicine; and before he had completed his twenty-first year he wrote his famous “Canon” of medical science, which for several centuries, after his time, remained the principal authority in medical schools both in Europe and in Asia.
newadvent.org/cathen/02157a.htm**
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dzheremi
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Why are you assuming that Jharek knows Arabic, Larryx? You could at least translate what you’ve written there, if you expect it to be of interest to anyone here who does not already read Arabic (the Arabs here are a minority).
Also, there is nothing interesting in the fact that Avicenna knew the Qur’an by heart by the age of the 10. If a child begins studying it at the age of 3 or thereabouts (the age of the boy in your first post), why should it be miraculous that after SEVEN years of constant memorization he should memorize the whole thing? The Qur’an is not very big, and as I and others have pointed out, a premium is placed on its recollection and recitation, so there is certainly plenty of incentive to learn and retain as much of it as possible as quickly as possible. In fact, given the context in which it is learned, I would say it’s about as far from a miracle as I can think of.
Now, if a non-Muslim, in isolation from stories of the “sacredness” of the Qur’an and the alleged spiritual benefits of being a hafiz, were to memorize it in…say…a week or some other similarly unbelievable time, I might then say that there is something rather unique in that. And even then it would prove nothing beyond the particular individual’s dedication to learning it and particular ability to recall things.
(Boy, I feel like I’ve written that last sentence at least 50 times on this board in response to topics like this one. Deja vu. :hypno
Also, there is nothing interesting in the fact that Avicenna knew the Qur’an by heart by the age of the 10. If a child begins studying it at the age of 3 or thereabouts (the age of the boy in your first post), why should it be miraculous that after SEVEN years of constant memorization he should memorize the whole thing? The Qur’an is not very big, and as I and others have pointed out, a premium is placed on its recollection and recitation, so there is certainly plenty of incentive to learn and retain as much of it as possible as quickly as possible. In fact, given the context in which it is learned, I would say it’s about as far from a miracle as I can think of.
Now, if a non-Muslim, in isolation from stories of the “sacredness” of the Qur’an and the alleged spiritual benefits of being a hafiz, were to memorize it in…say…a week or some other similarly unbelievable time, I might then say that there is something rather unique in that. And even then it would prove nothing beyond the particular individual’s dedication to learning it and particular ability to recall things.
(Boy, I feel like I’ve written that last sentence at least 50 times on this board in response to topics like this one. Deja vu. :hypno
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Eucharisted
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You know, it’d be a miracle if the child recited parts of the Qu’ran he had not memorized. But to just recite something you’ve memorized only shows you have a good memory - which, while great, is not miraculous.
On an unrelated note, I thought this was strange:
On an unrelated note, I thought this was strange:
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Bob_Crowley
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The church only accepts miracles when they’re proved to be miracles, or there are enough credible witnesses to put the event beyond reasonable doubt.
The dancing of the sun at Fatima in 1917, and the miraculous drying of ground and clothes, as witnessed by around 70,000 witnesses, were held to be evidential as miracles, based on witness accounts.
If this child can really recite the Koran, then we’d expect him to be able to do so in a laboratory, with no outside help. And even if he did, it would not be miraculous. It would certainly be impressive, but not miraculous. Other humans can claim impressive memorisation feats. Many years ago there were a couple of “idiot savants”, people with quite low IQ’s, yet who could multiply six figure numbers together in their mind with unbelievable speed.
On a Google humour site I occasionally visit, there is an autistic individual who can formulate word-play puns at the speed o light, yet he doesn’t do much else. I’ve listed one of his entries below based on the word “Mission”.
“Admission: To found another church.
Commission: A computer church.
Decommission: A demonic church.
Emission: Another computer or Internet church.
Emission: Smoke stack church.
Omission: To forget a church.
Permission: Price of a church.
Remission: To refound the church.
Emission: Smoke stack on a church.”
He can do this all day every day. It’s clever in a restricted way, but it’s hardly miraculous. But it’s unusual.
Likewise the alleged lettering on a ten year old boy’s arm in another forum item. For me to accept it as a miracle, I’d want it subject to scientific scrutiny, not just someone’s opinion. The Marian statue at Akita in Japan wept real human tears on 101 occasions in and around 1973, as shown by scientific analysis. However I live not far from a Catholic church where a fraudulent attempt was made to make a small Marian statue weep blood a few years ago.
The local bishop had it scrutinised, and sure enough, it was a fraud. The “blood” was a mixture of oils. But until it was formally declared fraudulent after analysis, there were plenty of people credulous enough to believe it. I gave it the benefit of the doubt myself, but I was a bit wary just the same.
If someone wants me to believe something is a miracle, then they need to prove it, or at least have enough credible witnesses that the event is beyond reasonable doubt.
Until then, I don’t take much notice. There are plenty of fraudsters around, and when it comes to people’s religious beliefs, it doesn’t take much to get them to accept something that seems to line up with their beliefs.
The dancing of the sun at Fatima in 1917, and the miraculous drying of ground and clothes, as witnessed by around 70,000 witnesses, were held to be evidential as miracles, based on witness accounts.
If this child can really recite the Koran, then we’d expect him to be able to do so in a laboratory, with no outside help. And even if he did, it would not be miraculous. It would certainly be impressive, but not miraculous. Other humans can claim impressive memorisation feats. Many years ago there were a couple of “idiot savants”, people with quite low IQ’s, yet who could multiply six figure numbers together in their mind with unbelievable speed.
On a Google humour site I occasionally visit, there is an autistic individual who can formulate word-play puns at the speed o light, yet he doesn’t do much else. I’ve listed one of his entries below based on the word “Mission”.
“Admission: To found another church.
Commission: A computer church.
Decommission: A demonic church.
Emission: Another computer or Internet church.
Emission: Smoke stack church.
Omission: To forget a church.
Permission: Price of a church.
Remission: To refound the church.
Emission: Smoke stack on a church.”
He can do this all day every day. It’s clever in a restricted way, but it’s hardly miraculous. But it’s unusual.
Likewise the alleged lettering on a ten year old boy’s arm in another forum item. For me to accept it as a miracle, I’d want it subject to scientific scrutiny, not just someone’s opinion. The Marian statue at Akita in Japan wept real human tears on 101 occasions in and around 1973, as shown by scientific analysis. However I live not far from a Catholic church where a fraudulent attempt was made to make a small Marian statue weep blood a few years ago.
The local bishop had it scrutinised, and sure enough, it was a fraud. The “blood” was a mixture of oils. But until it was formally declared fraudulent after analysis, there were plenty of people credulous enough to believe it. I gave it the benefit of the doubt myself, but I was a bit wary just the same.
If someone wants me to believe something is a miracle, then they need to prove it, or at least have enough credible witnesses that the event is beyond reasonable doubt.
Until then, I don’t take much notice. There are plenty of fraudsters around, and when it comes to people’s religious beliefs, it doesn’t take much to get them to accept something that seems to line up with their beliefs.
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wwolverine
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Interesting, a three year child reading Quran, is it complete Quran or a part of it or chapter one of the quran, what is it? If its complete Quran, than I feel that the Muslim world must be having a gem in their midst. its another matter if he understands what he reads, but reading in itself is a great virtue.
I remember reading about great mathematicians, astronomers etc in the muslim world of long years ago, and than absolutely nothing, Its high time the muslim world utilize these gems and make them top scientists who can make inventions for the betterment of lives of human beings.
Do let us readers know if the kid can read the entire quran in arabic text, a language which many non muslims find hard to learn and understand as many of my muslim friends who although read the quran in arabic, cannot read understand a word of arabic in the newspapers and i believe is the same arabic?
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hamba2han
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If this is the case, then it is clear that the boy has NOT memorized the passages of the Qur’an that he is reciting… and I also suspect that he has NOT been taught them by his parents or anyone else for that matter.
In which case, the fact that a 3-year old child who has not been taught the Qur’an and who has certainly not memorized it, is now eloquently reciting the Holy Book, is an even greater miracle than I first thought.
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Eucharisted
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Sam_777
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According to the third link in the OP, his mother used to recite Quran on him each night before he goes to sleep “some sort of bed time stories”, that is why he grown up memorizing only what his mother recited on him which is “Surah 19” and “part of Surah 02”, however, if that was truly a miracle, then the kid should have memorized Surahs other than those…
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hamba2han
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Millions of Muslim mothers all over the world would recite verses of the Qur’an in the form of a lullaby to their infant children before they go to sleep.
However, not all of these infants will be able to recite passages and entire chapters of the Qur’an when they reach the age of 3.
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dzheremi
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And why would they? People have different aptitudes in life, whether they are Muslim or non-Muslim, children or adults. For example: I’ve never been able to figure out math beyond simple addition, subtraction, division, etc. At the same time, I’ve always been adept at writing and languages, and was published in the local newspaper before the age of 10, and again around the age of 13 (both of the times they were personal writings that others had submitted on my behalf, without my consent or foreknowledge, simply because they liked the writing). That’s no more a miracle than what you are talking about, which is to say NOT a miracle at all.
I don’t get it. Once we’re talking about the Qur’an it is suddenly a “miracle”? What if the child had memorized portions of the Iliad or Plato’s Apology?
I don’t get it. Once we’re talking about the Qur’an it is suddenly a “miracle”? What if the child had memorized portions of the Iliad or Plato’s Apology?
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hamba2han
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Amazingly, the 3-year old who is featured in the videos recites the Qur’an not in the form of a lullaby that his mother may have sung to him, but rather in the manner and style of an eloquent reciter of the Qur’an.
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dzheremi
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Wow…how totally pedestrian. Are we supposed to believe that a child would not know how to recite? Do they somehow have a way of blocking things like the call to prayer so that a three year old can’t hear it?
This is going from silly to outright ridiculous at an amazing speed. I would say that it is more of a miracle that anyone can be persuaded to believing in the “miraculousness” of such a thing!
This is going from silly to outright ridiculous at an amazing speed. I would say that it is more of a miracle that anyone can be persuaded to believing in the “miraculousness” of such a thing!
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Curious
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Oh my gosh! Really? Well I totally agree!
Okay just kidding. Unfortunately I can’t read a word of Arabic.
I liked the video. My younger cousin could recite the Qu’ran when she was 3. I don’t remember her being able to do it so long. Her father worked with her on it, but didn’t make her slave away at it for hours a day or anything (believe me, he doesn’t have patience for that)
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