Miracles to convince me, a non-believer

[FiveLinden]

Our faith doesn’t hang on miracles, but frankly I wonder how anyone can not see miracles all around us. Creation, the seasons, the marvelous nature of the human body, a baby, etc. etc. I think people need to start to look around and reflect. All of nature “tells” of the glory of God if only we have the eyes to look.
Where do you think YOU came from? Just a random accident of the universe?

I don’t see those things as miracles, just reality. But the miracles I am talking about are claims of material reality being changed by non-material forces.

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

The only miracles worth believing are the falsible ones? Are you okay? Falsible isn’t even a real word.
Your argument is that false apparitions are false so therefore authentic apparitions are false,

So if you met a proven imposter policeman one day, you would believe all policemen are imposters?

If you found a forged cheque one day, you would believe all cheques are forgeries?
If you found a fake antique sword some day, that would mean all antique swords of the world are fakes?

your argument for this is based on the fact that the Pope as representative of the Vatican decided that the Coptic Orthodox faith should make the decision on the Zeitoun apparition because it was a Coptic Orthodox apparition, so this decision to let the Coptic Church make a decision on a Coptic apparition (which you said you don’t believe in) makes all apparitions in the Roman Catholic Faith false?

Where is the logic in that?

So an apparition outside the Roman Catholic Faith (which you said you believe is false), means that all the actual Roman Catholic apparitions are false?

You will only believe an argument that can be proven as false?
Then how will you ever believe an argument that can be proven as true?

If you were a Judge in court, or a detective, or a policeman you would only believe evidence that could be forgery, and completely neglect proven evidence that is true?
Do you walk backwards?

So because there are no unicorns that means there is no such thing as squirrels?

Once again you throw around ‘opinions’ on a thread that is asking for evidence. Back up your ‘opinions’ with evidence/ sources/ quotes/ historic events/ scientific evidence/ medical evidence, etc
All the catholics responding to you are bringing you evidence and sources, and you respond with ‘opinions’ without any evidence / sources/ quotes/ historic evidence.

Name one ‘falsible’ Vatican approved or Vatican condemned apparition?

You refuse to do so because:
The vatican-approved apparitions, and also the apparitions condemned by the Vatican, had serious investigations often involving doctors/ scientists/ witnesses, (to approve or disapprove the apparition with evidence).

You know that if you mention any Apparition that Vatican made a definitive statement of approval or disapproval on, will have a large amount of evidence/ historic evidence/ doctors medical investigation/ scientists investigation/ witnesses.

 

[FiveLinden]

You need to Google ‘Karl Popper’ so you understand the idea of ‘falsifiable’.

 

[YoungCatholicGuy]

JDictionary meaning of Falsifiable: means something is proven as false.

You will only believe in the evidence that is against something and refuse to look at the evidence that proves something?

Hope you are not a Jury member any time soon!

If you are one of those people who believes you can only believe something that could be true and could be false, that is illogical.
You will refuse to believe something that is 100% evidence-based, scientifically, medically, historically, archaeologically, proven of being 100% true, because there is no possible falsehood?

 

[ShowersofRoses]

I was reading this interesting article…

Understanding miracles: Does God break the laws of nature?

David Robertson continues his series on apologetics, this time looking at miracles and whether it makes sense to believe in them.

www.christiantoday.com

And it reminded me that C.S. Lewis wrote a book called Miracles. Just wanted to put that out there in case anyone else would be interested in reading how he explained miracles.

 

[Calliope]

Falsifiable does not mean something has been proven false, it means something is ABLE to be proven false.

I had a near death experience during which I experienced a number of things. I can not prove it happened, but neither can anyone prove it did not happen. it’s neither proveable or falsifiable.