Miracles to convince me, a non-believer

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The Vatican does not interfere with other faiths.

Just as governments try to leave other governments in charge of their own countries.

Not surprising.

Whether Zeitoun is true or false, has NOTHING whatsoever to do with all the Vatican Approved apparitions such as: Fatima, Lourdes, Knock, Mexico, Argentina, etc

Once again;
Aetheists on a thread stating their ‘opinions,’ asking for evidence, And refusing to look at any evidence provided.
 
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guanophore said:
The fact that placebos work (which also has been scientifically documented), has to do with those same non-material elements of human persons that you are denying exist, such as expectations, attitudes, values, and beliefs. None of these are materially measurable, but significantly influence human behavior.
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Not doesn’t.If you giveth antidote to morphine with a placebo they don’t work. This shows they work through the production of chemicals in the body, which morphine is designed to mimic. Your other points miss my point: I am not claiming that non-material things do not exist. How would I know. I am claiming that if it proposed a not material thing has changed a material thing then that effect can be studied.
 
YoungCatholicGuy said:
Thank goodness none of you became judges, or lawyers, or policemen, because you would have based all your cases on ‘opinions’ and ignored and not looked at any evidence offered.
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It would be a better debate if you stopped saying unpleasant things about those with whom you disagree.
 
guanophore said:
Why do you discount miracles that could have a natural cause? How are they less miracles because they happened supernaturally rather than naturally?
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Because miracles are signs made by God of his presence and power. Most Biblical miracles could not have a natural explanation. The ones accepted by the Church today do have potential natural explanations. If God did miracles of one type then, why would he do only the other type now?
 
Coulda woulda shoulda
Your search for God has begun.

If you have the Grace of Faith, you will believe.

We must all search for, and find God. Jesus taught us that.
 
FiveLinden said:
I am not talking about non-material experiences. These may exist but I don’t know. I am talking about experiences in which matter (bodies, the sun, etc.) is claimed to have been changed in ways that could not occur naturally.
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You are missing a vital piece of information. God created nature. God is not bound by it. Therefore God can change nature anyway He wills
 
No matter the miracle it can be explained away if unbelief is desired ie; something natural we just don’t understand yet, also, it will eventually be a memory and subject to faith.
 
FiveLinden said:
It typically uses Catholics, and does not do research in a scientific way, and (especially) does not publish actual peer reviewed scientific papers.
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Ummmm…

Actually, it has been doing scientific research and publishes peer reviewed scientific articles officially since 1937.

http://www.pas.va/content/accademia/en.html

This is also not including work done by Catholics who were directly funded by the Church such as Gregor Mendel and Roger Bacon.
 
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The fact that the Church has lasted for 2000 years despite being ran by so many Italians is a miracle to me. 😇
 
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This thread is about providing evidance. Everything else is off topic and can be flagged as off topic to the moderators.

It would be an evidance based debate, if you actually looked at the evidence being provided to you rather than ignoring and refusing to look into any of the evidence provided to you, and instead simply stating you opinions over and over,

Whoever started this thread is not a genuine poster. They asked for evidence of catholic miracles, and completely refuse to look into any catholic evidence provided, any evidence provided to them they simply respond with their ‘opinion’ without having first looked into the links/ books/ websites/ history provided. This thread is about attacking catholic beliefs.
 
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… If God did miracles of one type then, why would he do only the other type now?
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Jn 20:29 “Have you believed because you have seen? Blessed rather are those who have not seen, yet have believed.”
 
Of course he has. The question is : why does he not so in a way way that persuades?
 
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Every day I wake is a miracle.My children are a miracle. God gave us all the gift of life, it is up to you what you choose to do with that gift. If you want miracles in order to believe in the Love of Jesus, the Merciful Heart of Jesus and the warmth and confidence in your own heart knowing that He is there waiting for you to come to Him, then I will pray for you. I hope you find you find the right answers.🦋🦋. God bless you
 
You believe they are stories??? Then their is no point what so ever to even going on with this thread, other then looking to dispute every thing that people are trying to help you understand… You need to find your own way to God, all you have to do is ask Him if you mean it, you will get an answer. God bless
 
I’m not here to convince you to believe.

I will share the truth that God has given us, I will share my experience, and then you have a choice. Believe or don’t.
 
YoungCatholicGuy said:
The Vatican does not interfere with other faiths.
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The Virgin Mary makes multiple appearances and the Vatican says it would rather not interfere? Oh yeah. Different branch of Catholicism. ‘Nothing to do with us’.

Now I know you have only given a cursory look at the details of Zeitoun. But surely, if so many people claim to have seen her (and photographed her!) then you would SURELY be compelled to investigate it. Are you not interested?

It seems the only miracles you might be interested in are the ones that can’t be proven false. That’s the crux of the matter. Which makes this thread something of a waste of time. The only ones that are going to be put forward cannot be tested. Which, as I said, is quite reasonable. Because faith is a.component of them all.

It would be nice to have that admitted.
 
No. I am a roman catholic. You are on a roman catholic website. Name one apparition the Vatican claimed was false, that you believe in.

If you want to talk to Coptic Orthodox catholics find a different website.

You are an aetheist on a roman catholic website, this thread is on a roman catholic website, asking for evidence of miracles of God, from Roman catholics.

So you don’t believe in God because he works miracles for all Christians?

Yes God chooses to do miracles for all christians rather than just Roman catholics only. They worship the same God we do, albeit with slight differences.

So God isn’t real because the Pope decided to leave an apparition that happened in a different faith, up to the head of that coptic faith to decide if the Orthodox Coptic apparition was genuine?

You yourself just changed your opinion in three posts, first you said you believe the Zeitoun religion has more evidence than any other for its validity, then you say later that you don’t believe the Zeitoun religion based on the evidence, then you say because the Pope as Head of the Roman catholic Faith left the decision of an Orthodox Coptic Apparition up to the leaders of the Orthodox Coptic faith, that you don’t believe in God?
 
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