Miserable with NFP!

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Now I know what I’m about to say will bring on a lashing of rancor and anger and I’m going to probably get trampled, but I just want to vent a little and speak my feelings about NFP…

My wife and I have been MISERABLE with it for the last five years. Besides the fact that there are only about ten days of safe “green light” intercourse allowed in each month, it isn’t as reliable for us as it has been touted.

My wife and I feel so isolated and unhappy when we can’t be together intimately at times. This is not everyday but there are inevitably about five or six times per month where we want each other intimately and it is just not allowed. The separation is really a dreary and sad experience. Then, there are the VARIABLES like BREASTFEEDING that have gotten us into trouble with pregnancy. We conceived our second child, our daughter, while breastfeeding out son. My wife was very careful using the sympto-thermal method. She very very carefully charted her temp, mucouse, etc. Then, my wife had irregular periods after our daughter was born and, right after she finished her period, two days later, she ovulated??? Then she got pregnant with our current baby due in February.

Now, I know what people will say: “You don’t regret your last two children, do you? I know you wouldn’t trade them for the world, right!?” Well, the answer is, I ADORE my children, love them to death and wouldn’t trade them for ANYTHING. Problem is, financially speaking and emotionally speaking we DON’T want anymore. We have three and these three came 3 years in a row! My wife is so weary from being pregnant for three straight years. She hates the feeling of being bloated, heavy, tired, dizzy, and queezy. Three years straight.

I hear all the time that “if done properly,” NFP is 99% effective, etc. and invariably when someone says that NFP didn’t work for them, the first thing I see is everyone swoop down and condemn them for being uncharitable, not open to life and that “you must not have done NFP properly.” My wife and I have found NFP to be emotionally isolating, miserable, ineffective, and about as unromantic as heck.

We are at the end of our rope with NFP. I seldom hear anyone talk about negative experiences with NFP, just how wonderful it is and how it has blossomed their marriage and how people started off only wanting 3 kids and now have 15 and want more, etc. This hasn’t been our experience? We love our 3 but want to stop and properly raise them, give them each a ton of attention, pay for their private Catholic education, save for their college, and continue to have my wife stay home with them. I think some couples desire to have 10-15 kids and they do a GREAT job! Some people are geared for it and want it. We don’t. I never look down on people who have big families. I admire their commitment and resolve. But I know that temperment, personalities, finances, and life goals differ in us all. NFP has just been depressing for us.

Now I know I’m going to get a lot of heat for this post but I had to share my feelings and ask how you all cope with this NFP lifestyle? We’re not coping well and my wife wants to be done with NFP for good. With our experience, I agree with her most of the time. I’m a Catholic who is anti-abortion, pro-life, prayerful, watch EWTN constantly, try to follow the Church and relish in the sacraments. But this teaching is truly taxing us hard.
Well, you are in good company. We didn’t get very good training on all of this. In fact, I just discovered our handouts from classes on the various methods. Pretty minimal. After 5 pregnancies in 9 years, we did something else about it. That then led to the worst years of our relationship that you can imagine. You don’t want to go there. The guilt is awful.

I have confidence that you can do other things that are fufilling to your relationship besides having intercourse. A nice massage, read a book to each other, prayer, dinner’s alone. Camp with the kids, that’ll slow thing down;)
 
I think part of the problem (not all of it of course) is that our society does not prepare us for real life. We are so used to things being easy by the time we grow up. I had to get an annulment in my early 20’s and raised 3 kids (twin boys and a daughter that were born within 1 year of eachother) by myself. I wasn’t prepared. It was the toughest job ever. I had no money sometimes. I lost jobs because my kids called. I was homeless. But, my kids have turned out fine. They are going to have big loans to pay off after college. It was God that made sure they got into a great high school.

I was just thinking as I read this thread how different the third world is - not that I want us to be more like that, but people seem to be better prepared to handle tough times, and expect them. I’m not sure what I’m trying to say really, and I don’t mean to offend anyone, so sorry if I did, but I just worry that we are getting soft - our faith and our families are the only thing we really have.

rhmom
 
One thing I always find BOGGLING is how very orthodox Catholics spend a great deal of time furious and vocally fighting birth control within the Church, touting NFP, and yet, the Church itself seems to not care much?

We spend a lot of time arguing about ABC because it’s everywhere; we feel the need to counter the “everyone’s doing it so it must be OK” mentality. We who are touting NFP are the Church. Where do you think we get it from? Bible quotes, church history on birth control, Castii Connubii, Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI Institute obviously Catholic, Couple to Couple League started by a Catholic Couple, CCL volunteer promoters (I’m one of them) and teaching couples mostly (or all?) Catholics, John Paul II’s Theology of the Body, Christopher West’s explanation of it “down here at our level” Catholic. We are the Church, and we speak up and we teach because we care. Your parish priest is too busy or shy or scared to bring up this controversial subject? Well, yes, it’s frustrating, but we all have different gifts and callings, right?

I say this because how much do most parishes actually spend in time and treasure educating their parishoners about NFP? My parish is very orthodox and traditional and yet never have we had any NFP classes offered or education, nothing spoken of it at all, period? We live in Visalia, CA and, if interested in NFP, the Couple to Couple League will refer you to a couple one hour north up in Fresno who will assist you FOR A $50 fee? It seems like no class, retreat, or experience in our church ever comes without a fee and it’s never easy to find?

CCL teachers are unpaid volunteers. They volunteer countless hours taking the training, teaching, counseling couples in person or over the phone, all for FREE, in spite of busy lives working/ caring for house/ children, etc. because they care. The course fees are necessary because the books and other teaching materials, the charts, basal thermometer, the first year’s bi-monthly education and support magazine COST MONEY. Classes, retreats, experiences in your church cost money because electricity, heat/air conditioning, building mortgage and maintenance, class materials, etc. all COST MONEY. Fact of life, sorry, the money has to come from somewhere. If the cost isn’t borne by the class participants, who else should pay it? I’m sure, however, that in cases of genuine financial need, some arrangement could be worked out, just ask.

Frustrated because the NFP class isn’t in your own neighborhood? Are there enough interested student couples to justify a class in your immediate area? Unfortunately, probably not, so one class has to gather students from all over to have enough students. Are there enough dedicated, knowledgeable volunteers available to teach in your area? Unfortunately, probably not, so students may have to drive a long distance.

Most Catholics hear we’re not supposed to use artificial birth control but they assume it’s a ludicrous teaching because they don’t know about NFP and assume the rythmn method or just nothing at all is the alternative to the pill. The Church puts very little effort into NFP except on EWTN internet and radio (which is all they seem to talk about day in and day out, birth control) so it is no surprise that the parishoners feel the Church is aquiescent or just turning a blind eye to it altogether.
We’re grown ups here. If we hear there’s a Church teaching that we don’t understand, don’t we bear some responsibility in going out and looking it up? Might the parish priest or diocesan Respect Life or Marriage Prep office have some books on the subject that we can borrow? And doesn’t practically everyone have access to the internet these days, if only through the public library?
 
I can relate with the first part! I was a sullen and resentful participant in NFP for the first three years of marriage (now at 8). We end up with a similar number of ‘eligible’ days per month due to longer than average menstruation and fairly early mucus appearance.

The remaining days are, of course, when she is LEAST naturally in the mood for things! I had expected marriage to be quite a bit more, um, bunnyish and was frequently frustrated and bothered. Like most guys my age, I grew up in an culture that objectivized women and made sex into an activity of personal pleasure. (As a teen I looked and friend’s dad’s Playboys, watched quite a few porn tapes, immediately ‘sized up’ nearly every woman I met…) I wouldn’t have even understood it at the time, but I was one of those guys that John Paul II warned about lusting after their own wives. What!?! In other words, even though I loved my wife, our sex life was more than a little about conquest and self gratification.

I came to realize that my wounded sexuality had more to do with my frustration with NFP than any inherent problems with giving up the physical intimacy for 7-11 extra days a month. Over time, I also got better about learning to do things for her that made her more receptive in the dry times.

Thank God we had an effective method or I might not have made it long enough to start realizing how it was GOOD for me to sometimes abstain and show her some love with my clothes on. We use the Billing Method which is quite a bit simpler than the Sympto-Thermo method. Some people seem to fit well with certain methods. For us, this is it. It relies ONLY on mucus observations, no temps or calenders. The inventors claim that this focused nature actually reduces confusion and uncertainty. Worth a look. Downside is that you must stay away from medicines that alter mucus states (especially cold medicines) or abstain for quite a while after resorting to them.

Get some training in another method, it might fit you better. I don’t subscribe to the fans who say NFP itself creates a better marriage. Rather it is a negative protection; it allows you to sustain a healthy marriage even if there is a serious reason not to have another baby right now. Allows, not creates. Using ABC on the other hand inherently damages the relationship and fosters the narciscisstic approach to sex that our culture so totally embraces.
 
Thankfully we have a different experience here. There is a wondeful couple who have been teaching NFP through our parish for over 15 years. If you are an orthodox Catholic, would you be willing to train and become the NFP teaching couple for your parish? The “Church” is all of us. If we don’t step up to the plate to teach NFP (or CCD, or encourage our sons to be altar servers, etc) we cannot complain if it isn’t done in our parish or diocese. Orthodox Catholics need to volunteer for all positions legititmately open to the laity before we begin complain about the lack in our parish.
One thing I always find BOGGLING is how very orthodox Catholics spend a great deal of time furious and vocally fighting birth control within the Church, touting NFP, and yet, the Church itself seems to not care much?

I say this because how much do most parishes actually spend in time and treasure educating their parishoners about NFP? My parish is very orthodox and traditional and yet never have we had any NFP classes offered or education, nothing spoken of it at all, period? We live in Visalia, CA and, if interested in NFP, the Couple to Couple League will refer you to a couple one hour north up in Fresno who will assist you FOR A $50 fee? It seems like no class, retreat, or experience in our church ever comes without a fee and it’s never easy to find? Most Catholics hear we’re not supposed to use artificial birth control but they assume it’s a ludicrous teaching because they don’t know about NFP and assume the rythmn method or just nothing at all is the alternative to the pill. The Church puts very little effort into NFP except on EWTN internet and radio (which is all they seem to talk about day in and day out, birth control) so it is no surprise that the parishoners feel the Church is aquiescent or just turning a blind eye to it altogether.
 
You are not alone in how you feel. It didn’t work our for us with the first two as well. Then the next three were conceived while using artificial birth control. My husband and family joke that my body is immune to all advances that modern medicine has made in the birth control dept. After number five, I had a tubal. I know I will catch heck here for even admitting to it and I don’t care to hear it from anyone. But #5 put us in financial distress and ended up moving in with family. We still aren’t in the position to even be able to afford child care so that I can work to get us out of the hole we are in. I don’t for one moment regret the decision that I made. I have spoken to our pastor about it and he agrees that sometimes families can only handle so much… he did mention that during my conversion I should confess it. 👍 Consider it done. My husband, who was born and raised Catholic thought it was best for us as a family. His entire family, also practicing Catholics, agreed it was the best for us. God gave us plenty. My husband has a good job. But we really couldn’t afford anymore. We prayed about our decision. Talked about it at lengths for months before making a decision. Now two years later all things are still good. I cannot imagine being surprised with another pregnancy.
How very sad.😦
 
You are not alone in how you feel. It didn’t work our for us with the first two as well. Then the next three were conceived while using artificial birth control. My husband and family joke that my body is immune to all advances that modern medicine has made in the birth control dept. After number five, I had a tubal. I know I will catch heck here for even admitting to it and I don’t care to hear it from anyone. But #5 put us in financial distress and ended up moving in with family. We still aren’t in the position to even be able to afford child care so that I can work to get us out of the hole we are in. I don’t for one moment regret the decision that I made. I have spoken to our pastor about it and he agrees that sometimes families can only handle so much… he did mention that during my conversion I should confess it. 👍 Consider it done. My husband, who was born and raised Catholic thought it was best for us as a family. His entire family, also practicing Catholics, agreed it was the best for us. God gave us plenty. My husband has a good job. But we really couldn’t afford anymore. We prayed about our decision. Talked about it at lengths for months before making a decision. Now two years later all things are still good. I cannot imagine being surprised with another pregnancy.
Many prayers for you and your family. Very sad that your family would not give you support in following the teching of Holy Mother Church.
 
How very sad it is that someone could think it’s o.k. to destroy what God made. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that God made your body to work and function the way He thought best, therefore altering it’s function in such a permanant surgical way is trying to be like God.😦
 
My wife and I have been practicing NFP for 18 or so years, and had our three of our kids using it.

We use Symto-Thermal, and have found it to be effective.

We have also found it to be extremely frustrating at times. Over the years, we have come to understand that NFP fosters discipline, and it is a witness to our teenagers.

What we have also found is that the frustration is not about the sex, it’s about our desire for intimacy, for the unitive aspect. So, there are times that we do projects together, time that we tell each other secrets from our innermost thoughts, time when we pray together. And yes, sometimes, (shhhhh, don’t tell the Kippleys) we lay together with no clothes on! Because my wife is very private/modest, that’s her being totally open to me, and might be just as unitive as the whole thing, if you know what I mean.

I NEVER thought that I would become an apologist for NFP. But, that which doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, and it won’t kill you not to have sex on any given day.

Yes, a ten day window every month is weird, but, then, there are those other days where we don’t have to wonder if the other person is expecting something to happen, we don’t have to go to bed at the same time, etc.
 
Get thee to a nurse or doctor or certified couple, and learn about different methods of NFP.

If one thing isn’t working, try something different! Don’t feel that you have to keep banging your head into a wall. :banghead:

NFP is a name assigned to many different methods and styles. It sounds as if you guys have settled into a method that is at odds with your needs. Find a new one!

Also, have you checked out marriage enrichment programs? Intimacy isn’t all about sex, and having some good, strong skills for fostering intimacy can really strengthen your marriage.
 
I’ve known several people who got pregnant after having tubals. It is not 100% effective either.
 
My wife and I feel so isolated and unhappy when we can’t be together intimately at times. This is not everyday but there are inevitably about five or six times per month where we want each other intimately and it is just not allowed. The separation is really a dreary and sad experience.
This makes me wonder if there isn’t some other underlying cause of the feelings of isolation and unhappiness in your marriage. Does sexual intimacy play such an important part in your overall happiness? Now, my husband and I have only been married for 2 years so we are newbies to NFP and marriage, but we haven’t been miserable at all due to abstinence. Could there be something else causing it? I imagine the stress of having a few kids would be tough. Maybe the two of you just need to take some time alone together?
 
You are not alone in how you feel. It didn’t work our for us with the first two as well. Then the next three were conceived while using artificial birth control. …
While this post has attrached a lot of comment regarding other comments she made, I want to highlight this portion and thank her for her honesty. Many times people who object to NFP will point to “unplanned pregnancies” (even though most of those pregnancies happen because the couples decide to “take a chance” when they knew the woman might be fertile), but **few people who concieve while using artificial contraception admit to that. **Statistics show ABC can result in unplanned pregnancies too, but those pregnancies are often aborted or otherwise not talked about. (A aquaintance of mine’s sister even got pregnant after she had her tubes tied–she then had an abortion.😦 )

The fact that few people admit to “oopsies” when using contraception adds to the misperception regarding NFP if people think it’s the only birth method that can results in pregnancy. I again thank the texaspanda for admitting that she concieved three of her children while using artificial contraception. Many people do not want their children or others to think that they were “unwanted” and so they will not admit this information, leaving people to falsely conclude that NFP isn’t as effective as artificial contraception.
 
At a lot of parishes around here, NFP is not promoted so much because people get sooooo offended. We’re at the point where our parish leaders are trying to figure out how to get people back to church and they are doing that dance of trying not to offend. It is even going on in our Confirmation program. You’re not “allowed” to ask them if they went to Mass on Sunday. WHAT!? “They might not come back…”. They are really trying - it is so frustrating for them. Also - NFP users and promoters are so ridiculed it’s not even funny. The constant jokes about vasectomies and getting snipped and don’t you dare go home and have sex tonight you might have another baby really get to you after awhile. This all adds up to some reservations about promoting NFP to people who are in no way going to give it the time of day.

As far as we are concerned with the restrictions on NFP - all I have to do is spend a little time on the infertility thread. If all those people had to do was limit their intimate times to certain times of the month, they’d do it and not complain one little bit.
 
I had to add - I am sorry if it sounds like I am belittling your problem with the whole “other people have it worse than you…” comment that doesn’t really help anyone. Of course there are only a few people in this world with the absolute worse problems… that doesn’t mean your’s isn’t worth talking about. I am just telling you how we deal with it.
 
This thread is scaring me! I am so afraid of getting pregnant again right after my first is born. This pregnancy was sort of unplanned, I say “sort of” because we disregarded the rules, and oopsy daisy, I’m pregnant! I’m just very reluctant to trust the ecological breastfeeding method because I’ve heard that so many women have gotten pregnant while breastfeeding.
 
This thread is scaring me! I am so afraid of getting pregnant again right after my first is born. This pregnancy was sort of unplanned, I say “sort of” because we disregarded the rules, and oopsy daisy, I’m pregnant! I’m just very reluctant to trust the ecological breastfeeding method because I’ve heard that so many women have gotten pregnant while breastfeeding.
Don’t be scared, God will be with you the whole way no matter what happens. Just remember when in doubt abstain and contact an instructor to help you if you are having any problems figuring out what is going on. Instructors are there to help sort through difficult charting that can happen when babies are born or any other changes in the cycle.

I didn’t trust ecological breastfeeding alone because I needed to do more than just an average amount of space. I did use a CM only for the first 6 months after having my last child (no problems with it) and then began using the MarquetteModel because of the issues DH was having and hence me (not with the CM only method per se but with fear overall). The best method for a couple is the one that fits for them.

My last child is nearing 17 months and we haven’t had any suprises. Our 3 are all about 18 months apart so the last 2 pregnancies I had a 17 month old running around near the end of the pregnancies…but none of our pregnancies was NFP an effectiveness or use issue (either method or user). We just discerned through prayer and discussion that we had no serious reason at that time to avoid.
 
This thread is scaring me! I am so afraid of getting pregnant again right after my first is born. This pregnancy was sort of unplanned, I say “sort of” because we disregarded the rules, and oopsy daisy, I’m pregnant! I’m just very reluctant to trust the ecological breastfeeding method because I’ve heard that so many women have gotten pregnant while breastfeeding.
**Trust me. Take the time now to get educated on how to use NFP after the baby comes. You won’t have time after! I never put much thought into how breastfeeding would affect my fertility and how we could practice NFP after Lily was born. It has meant A LOT of abstinence that may not have been necessary if we had been better prepared.

My cycles have just returned in the past few months (she is 16 months old now) but they are not easy to interpret. So, MORE abstinence. It doesn’t help that we were relatively new to NFP when we decided to “take a chance” and became pregnant. So I don’t have the experience or knowledge to help.

Malia**
 
Trust me. Take the time now to get educated on how to use NFP after the baby comes. You won’t have time after! I never put much thought into how breastfeeding would affect my fertility and how we could practice NFP after Lily was born. It has meant A LOT of abstinence that may not have been necessary if we had been better prepared.

My cycles have just returned in the past few months (she is 16 months old now) but they are not easy to interpret. So, MORE abstinence. It doesn’t help that we were relatively new to NFP when we decided to “take a chance” and became pregnant. So I don’t have the experience or knowledge to help.

Malia
Luckily, I practiced NFP on my own before I got married so I knew what to look for. It’s the post-partum I am so worried about! We are meeting with our instructors on Thursday to discuss PP Fertility, hopefully, that’ll put many fears to rest.
 
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